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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Reverse God rays?
« Last post by ICanScienceThat on Today at 04:25:46 PM »Neat drawing. Can you explain a little more? What are you saying with this?
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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Navigating By Stars - How Is It Possible?
« Last post by ICanScienceThat on Today at 04:24:18 PM »The Bi-Polar model does help somewhat. It makes it so that observers in the southern hemisphere can actually see the southern cross - which is nice.Hello,
Just wondering how navigating by stars works in a flat earth model. I'll give one example (as per attached image):
I can be in Auckland, New Zealand and someone else in Perth, Australia. When we both look at the Southern Cross (Crux), at the same time, and do the following we can both find south:
1) Draw a line from the top of the cross through the bottom and extend it out.
2) Draw a line between the two pointers (Alpha and Beta Centauri) and extend a line from the centre straight out at right-angels.
3) Find the point where the two lines intersect and then drop a line down to the horizon.
Given that we are 5000km apart, how can this be possible that we both end up pointing south on a flat earth model?
Cheers
Mick
See the Bi-Polar Model.
However, it does not help at all with the problem of getting your latitude from the north star (or sigma octantis in the south). At least you can now SEE sigma octantis, but it's still in the wrong place in the sky.
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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Full Moon Impossible on Flat Earth?
« Last post by ICanScienceThat on Today at 04:18:44 PM »Having anticipated this criticism from the previous video, I made you a version to scale for this video. As Tumeni points out, the scale makes all the different parts tiny if they need to share a screen, but with a 3D realtime sim, you can zoom around and look at the different parts from different angles to see it all - it doesn't have to all fit together into the same screen.I may be mistaken, and someone please correct me if I am to be wrong, but this seems to be a bit out of proportion.
Distance from earth to sun: 92,960,000 mi
Distance from earth to moon: 238,900 mi
It has to be to have a meaningful graphic fit onto your screen.
Let's approximate this to 92 'units' distance to the sun, and 0.24 units, distance to the moon, keeping correct proportions
If you represent 92 units across the full width of your 50cm wide monitor, each unit is (50/92) = 0.54cm, or 5mm.
0.24 units, at that scale, is (0.24*5) = 1.3mm. So you'd have to draw Earth and Moon smaller than that to show them on the graphic, with 1.3mm separating them. Seems you'd need a magnifying glass.
No?
In the description of my video: @2:43 New simulation - this time to scale
@41:09 Demonstrating that the answer is independent of the distances. It is based only on the angles
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Flat Earth Investigations / Reverse God rays?
« Last post by Niki4To on Today at 04:15:39 PM »When the parallel rays are coming from a sun that is behind the observer:
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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Navigating By Stars - How Is It Possible?
« Last post by pj1 on Today at 02:27:50 PM »If the only way to reconcile FE and navigation by the stars is by adopting the bi-polar model, then other models will presumably be discarded by FEers? Or one could attempt to prove navigation by celestial bodies impossible (good luck, with that). Perhaps I'm missing something.
Either way I'm in intrigued by this one! Subscribed!
Either way I'm in intrigued by this one! Subscribed!
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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Is the world fully explored?
« Last post by pj1 on Today at 01:27:33 PM »I hold the belief that satellite imagery provide an obvious answer, but putting that aside for a moment...
I would suggest that the 'wisdom of the crowd' would eliminate the theory that there's much left undiscovered.
In the early days of exploration, there was a handful of 'explorers' presumably working almost independently. Today, we have perpetually connected populations all over the world, all happy to travel intercontinentally, all contributing to a global database of knowledge.
Might we find an uncharted island in the middle of the pacific? Possibly. But based on the way technology has connected the world, I doubt there's an undiscovered landmass that one would class as significant.
I would suggest that the 'wisdom of the crowd' would eliminate the theory that there's much left undiscovered.
In the early days of exploration, there was a handful of 'explorers' presumably working almost independently. Today, we have perpetually connected populations all over the world, all happy to travel intercontinentally, all contributing to a global database of knowledge.
Might we find an uncharted island in the middle of the pacific? Possibly. But based on the way technology has connected the world, I doubt there's an undiscovered landmass that one would class as significant.
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Flat Earth Community / Re: Detailed flight times and distances
« Last post by BillO on Today at 12:24:12 PM »- There is no FE mapAnd that is okay? You are a proponent of an earth configuration that has no map?
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- We can't rely on the distances to be accurate because Lat/Lon relies on spherical coordinatesIs there any way you can explain that statement?
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- We can't rely on the flight times to be accurateYes, right. So? Flight times vary but the ground speed, which is the thing that varies, is known. So given that flight time is calculated in the usual way: t=distance/speed, therefore the distance can be calculated as distance=t*speed. Those distances agree with RE distances, not FE distances - regardless of which 'map' you wish to press into service.
On top of all of the above it is also known that on international flights planes regularly use jet streams to quicker get to a destination.
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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Navigating By Stars - How Is It Possible?
« Last post by BillO on Today at 12:06:11 PM »That's not going to help. Throwing in an extra pole and further destroying the relative distances between places does not make up for the fact the surface is flat - the main problem with celestial navigation in an FE model.Hello,
Just wondering how navigating by stars works in a flat earth model. I'll give one example (as per attached image):
I can be in Auckland, New Zealand and someone else in Perth, Australia. When we both look at the Southern Cross (Crux), at the same time, and do the following we can both find south:
1) Draw a line from the top of the cross through the bottom and extend it out.
2) Draw a line between the two pointers (Alpha and Beta Centauri) and extend a line from the centre straight out at right-angels.
3) Find the point where the two lines intersect and then drop a line down to the horizon.
Given that we are 5000km apart, how can this be possible that we both end up pointing south on a flat earth model?
Cheers
Mick
See the Bi-Polar Model.
So Tom, which is it, a uni-polar model or a bi-polar model? It has to be one or the other. You can't just whip out a different FE model in a attempt to answer different questions.
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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Bi-Polar Model: YouTube movement catching on
« Last post by BillO on Today at 11:59:56 AM »That won't work as you will just end up at the edge of the bipolar flat earth. Are you ignoring that? According to that map you would need to travel east, over Africa. A bit farther than reality would suggest - implying that map does not represent reality.Yes, it took me one glance at the picture: Look at the equator! How do you get from Ecuador to New Guinea on this "map"?
The same way you get from LA to Japan on the Monopole model: Travel Westwards.
In the Bi-Polar Model there are two poles. The magnetic field lines resemble something like the field lines of a bar magnet. Essentially something like this, but in three dimensions:
The compass aligns itself with the field lines and adjusts itself when one travels Westwards or Eastwards in the Northern or Southern Hemiplane to go around either the North or South poles.
Since the magnetic field lines in magnets wrap around and interconnect, none traveling out into space in an unconnected fashion, traveling North or South at any point will also take you to either the North or South Pole.
Also, lines of magnetic force are 3-dimensional. Nothing at all like the bendy lines on that horribly distorted flat earth map.
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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Bi-Polar Model: YouTube movement catching on
« Last post by SphericalEarther on Today at 11:52:28 AM »Yeah, bi-polar map really doesn't work.
You can book direct flights from Los Angeles directly to both Sydney (14h) and Dubai (16h).
On the bi-polar map as presented, the distance to Sydney would approximately double that of the distance to Dubai.
We can even travel between all these locations, nonstop:
LA <> Dubai: 16 hour flight
Dubai <> Sydney: 14 hour flight
Sydney <> LA: 14 hour flight
For some reason, we can travel from LA to Sydney FASTER than from LA to Dubai, almost as though we are living on a globe where we can fly straight over the Pacific Ocean to get between Sydney and LA.
We also know that daytime can be at LA and Sydney at the same time, while EU and Africa is in the nighttime, which would be impossible with a sun on a bi-polar map.
The shape of all continents in the outer part of the bi-polar map are also extremely stretched to a point they do not in any way match their real shape.
You can book direct flights from Los Angeles directly to both Sydney (14h) and Dubai (16h).
On the bi-polar map as presented, the distance to Sydney would approximately double that of the distance to Dubai.
We can even travel between all these locations, nonstop:
LA <> Dubai: 16 hour flight
Dubai <> Sydney: 14 hour flight
Sydney <> LA: 14 hour flight
For some reason, we can travel from LA to Sydney FASTER than from LA to Dubai, almost as though we are living on a globe where we can fly straight over the Pacific Ocean to get between Sydney and LA.
We also know that daytime can be at LA and Sydney at the same time, while EU and Africa is in the nighttime, which would be impossible with a sun on a bi-polar map.
The shape of all continents in the outer part of the bi-polar map are also extremely stretched to a point they do not in any way match their real shape.