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Re: What is the diameter/radius of the Earth? How wide is it, essentially?
« Reply #20 on: April 09, 2018, 02:13:38 AM »
Although parallax IS a troll and cannot back up these claims with ANY evidence. Just a thought to bear in mind....

As far as I see he is referring you to Earth Not a Globe for most of what he says. Why not read it if you are so curious about what Rowbotham bases his conclusions on?

I assume you're talking about this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bedford_Level_experiment
Conclusions based on 180 years old experiments, recognized as flawed, corrected two years later (that is one (1) year after the coronation of Queen Victoria) and utterly, utterly debunked not only by modern science, but also by the ancient Greek. Why do you believe that Rowbotham was right?

We've thoroughly discussed those topics. All of that is false.

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Re: What is the diameter/radius of the Earth? How wide is it, essentially?
« Reply #21 on: April 09, 2018, 05:44:34 PM »
Although parallax IS a troll and cannot back up these claims with ANY evidence. Just a thought to bear in mind....

As far as I see he is referring you to Earth Not a Globe for most of what he says. Why not read it if you are so curious about what Rowbotham bases his conclusions on?

I assume you're talking about this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bedford_Level_experiment
Conclusions based on 180 years old experiments, recognized as flawed, corrected two years later (that is one (1) year after the coronation of Queen Victoria) and utterly, utterly debunked not only by modern science, but also by the ancient Greek. Why do you believe that Rowbotham was right?
Yes. Dr Rowbotham hasn't been debunked at all, the people that 'debunked' him made flaws in their experiments so produced incorrect results. I trust Dr Rowbothams work.

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Re: What is the diameter/radius of the Earth? How wide is it, essentially?
« Reply #22 on: April 09, 2018, 05:53:10 PM »
Can you elaborate on the flaws those other people made?
Tom: "Claiming incredulity is a pretty bad argument. Calling it "insane" or "ridiculous" is not a good argument at all."

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Re: What is the diameter/radius of the Earth? How wide is it, essentially?
« Reply #23 on: April 09, 2018, 06:47:46 PM »
Although parallax IS a troll and cannot back up these claims with ANY evidence. Just a thought to bear in mind....

As far as I see he is referring you to Earth Not a Globe for most of what he says. Why not read it if you are so curious about what Rowbotham bases his conclusions on?

I assume you're talking about this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bedford_Level_experiment
Conclusions based on 180 years old experiments, recognized as flawed, corrected two years later (that is one (1) year after the coronation of Queen Victoria) and utterly, utterly debunked not only by modern science, but also by the ancient Greek. Why do you believe that Rowbotham was right?

We've thoroughly discussed those topics. All of that is false.

My brief study of Rowbotham's experiments made it clear that his conclusions based on his experiments were fatally flawed, and no amount of discussion will change that. But you still claim to believe that a pre-Victorian amateur scientist was right, and all modern scientists, with the most advanced tools known to man, are wrong on a matter that is so easily settled. An incredible amount of video footage proves the Earth is a spheroid. Observations both you and I make on a daily basis can only be explained within the framework of a globe Earth. A flat Earth model can't explain even the most mundane phenomenons, like the horizon and the Sun setting the way it does.  Excuse me, but it sounds to me like you have an agenda, and the true shape of the Earth is not really the point. Does all this have anything to do with what is said in the Bible?

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Re: What is the diameter/radius of the Earth? How wide is it, essentially?
« Reply #24 on: April 10, 2018, 02:28:49 PM »
So devils advocate was quite reasonable in his responses yet once again allaroundtheworld has to be a condescending prick about the whole thing. I think I'm just going to ignore anything from this troll from now on.

Lay off personal attacks in the upper fora. Warned.

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Re: What is the diameter/radius of the Earth? How wide is it, essentially?
« Reply #25 on: April 10, 2018, 03:50:45 PM »
Although parallax IS a troll and cannot back up these claims with ANY evidence. Just a thought to bear in mind....

As far as I see he is referring you to Earth Not a Globe for most of what he says. Why not read it if you are so curious about what Rowbotham bases his conclusions on?

I assume you're talking about this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bedford_Level_experiment
Conclusions based on 180 years old experiments, recognized as flawed, corrected two years later (that is one (1) year after the coronation of Queen Victoria) and utterly, utterly debunked not only by modern science, but also by the ancient Greek. Why do you believe that Rowbotham was right?
Yes. Dr Rowbotham hasn't been debunked at all, the people that 'debunked' him made flaws in their experiments so produced incorrect results. I trust Dr Rowbothams work.
Y'know, Parallax, you need to step back and take a look at those experiments. Properly.
You're stating they are flawless, and absolute, and the people 'debunking' him are the ones who are wrong.
Rowbotham isn't perfect, my dude, he's a human such as you or I.
Finish following this fella and his fraudulent findings, and frankly, flake from this faker's flamboyant falsehoods.
The fool's findings are far from fact.
Also, if we're frequently fabricating the finding that flat fellas are false and foolish, 'troll' is false, as that's for flapjacks who feign flagrantly and find fun in fashioning folks' frustration.
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Re: What is the diameter/radius of the Earth? How wide is it, essentially?
« Reply #26 on: April 10, 2018, 05:31:49 PM »
Shame science can't disprove God. For all that it tries to.

Science is not working on disproving God.
Science operates with facts.
For God there is no proof either way, not affirmative, not negative.

Religions and cults are not based on facts anyway, making scientific proof irrelevant.

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Re: What is the diameter/radius of the Earth? How wide is it, essentially?
« Reply #27 on: April 10, 2018, 10:22:42 PM »
Although parallax IS a troll and cannot back up these claims with ANY evidence. Just a thought to bear in mind....

As far as I see he is referring you to Earth Not a Globe for most of what he says. Why not read it if you are so curious about what Rowbotham bases his conclusions on?

I assume you're talking about this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bedford_Level_experiment
Conclusions based on 180 years old experiments, recognized as flawed, corrected two years later (that is one (1) year after the coronation of Queen Victoria) and utterly, utterly debunked not only by modern science, but also by the ancient Greek. Why do you believe that Rowbotham was right?
Yes. Dr Rowbotham hasn't been debunked at all, the people that 'debunked' him made flaws in their experiments so produced incorrect results. I trust Dr Rowbothams work.

So from that comment you make, if it can be proved there are ANY errors in Charlatan Rowbotham work it can be shown to be flawed and therefore not admissible? Showing flaws in his work is very easy. Shal i start a new thread to that end?

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Re: What is the diameter/radius of the Earth? How wide is it, essentially?
« Reply #28 on: April 11, 2018, 02:10:17 PM »
I'm curious as to why people think we are trolling? Why is it so difficult for people to accept that there are those of us who believe in a flat earth? Is it because we are not part of the social norm? That we don't believe what is 'true'? I would say that its the people who come here constantly disrespecting Dr Rowbotham and trying to 'prove' earth is round she calling us flat earthers 'trolls', that are the ones most representative of that which they call us.

Now that Parallax sounds like a great thread to discuss! I guess if we talk here Junker will tell us off so its best to start a new thread and I humbly request that you start it as it is a FE question.

Please do start it and I'm sure you will get lots of answers.

PS I should add that Troll is not (in my opinion) an insult here, I merely mean it as someone having fun with this forum pretending to believe in this theory for amusement which is not a "bad" thing, I'm not seeking to oiffend anyone  :D
Well allaround the world seems to just brand everyone a troll because he can't get his head around the fact there are people that believe in the earth being flat. I honestly have better things to do with my time than troll, I believe the earth is flat and come here to discuss it. I've never trolled here once.

Why then, do you choose to not debate?  Quoting ENAG is not debate.
Do you have a citation for this sweeping generalisation?

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Re: What is the diameter/radius of the Earth? How wide is it, essentially?
« Reply #29 on: April 11, 2018, 04:04:55 PM »
I'm curious as to why people think we are trolling? Why is it so difficult for people to accept that there are those of us who believe in a flat earth? Is it because we are not part of the social norm? That we don't believe what is 'true'? I would say that its the people who come here constantly disrespecting Dr Rowbotham and trying to 'prove' earth is round she calling us flat earthers 'trolls', that are the ones most representative of that which they call us.

Now that Parallax sounds like a great thread to discuss! I guess if we talk here Junker will tell us off so its best to start a new thread and I humbly request that you start it as it is a FE question.

Please do start it and I'm sure you will get lots of answers.

PS I should add that Troll is not (in my opinion) an insult here, I merely mean it as someone having fun with this forum pretending to believe in this theory for amusement which is not a "bad" thing, I'm not seeking to oiffend anyone  :D
Well allaround the world seems to just brand everyone a troll because he can't get his head around the fact there are people that believe in the earth being flat. I honestly have better things to do with my time than troll, I believe the earth is flat and come here to discuss it. I've never trolled here once.

Why then, do you choose to not debate?  Quoting ENAG is not debate.

How is referencing evidence from a study not debating?

Re: What is the diameter/radius of the Earth? How wide is it, essentially?
« Reply #30 on: April 11, 2018, 05:30:04 PM »
I'm curious as to why people think we are trolling? Why is it so difficult for people to accept that there are those of us who believe in a flat earth? Is it because we are not part of the social norm? That we don't believe what is 'true'? I would say that its the people who come here constantly disrespecting Dr Rowbotham and trying to 'prove' earth is round she calling us flat earthers 'trolls', that are the ones most representative of that which they call us.

Now that Parallax sounds like a great thread to discuss! I guess if we talk here Junker will tell us off so its best to start a new thread and I humbly request that you start it as it is a FE question.

Please do start it and I'm sure you will get lots of answers.

PS I should add that Troll is not (in my opinion) an insult here, I merely mean it as someone having fun with this forum pretending to believe in this theory for amusement which is not a "bad" thing, I'm not seeking to oiffend anyone  :D
Well allaround the world seems to just brand everyone a troll because he can't get his head around the fact there are people that believe in the earth being flat. I honestly have better things to do with my time than troll, I believe the earth is flat and come here to discuss it. I've never trolled here once.

Why then, do you choose to not debate?  Quoting ENAG is not debate.

How is referencing evidence from a study not debating?
How about a study using equipment available today?

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Re: What is the diameter/radius of the Earth? How wide is it, essentially?
« Reply #31 on: April 11, 2018, 05:40:56 PM »
I'm curious as to why people think we are trolling? Why is it so difficult for people to accept that there are those of us who believe in a flat earth? Is it because we are not part of the social norm? That we don't believe what is 'true'? I would say that its the people who come here constantly disrespecting Dr Rowbotham and trying to 'prove' earth is round she calling us flat earthers 'trolls', that are the ones most representative of that which they call us.

Now that Parallax sounds like a great thread to discuss! I guess if we talk here Junker will tell us off so its best to start a new thread and I humbly request that you start it as it is a FE question.

Please do start it and I'm sure you will get lots of answers.

PS I should add that Troll is not (in my opinion) an insult here, I merely mean it as someone having fun with this forum pretending to believe in this theory for amusement which is not a "bad" thing, I'm not seeking to oiffend anyone  :D
Well allaround the world seems to just brand everyone a troll because he can't get his head around the fact there are people that believe in the earth being flat. I honestly have better things to do with my time than troll, I believe the earth is flat and come here to discuss it. I've never trolled here once.

Why then, do you choose to not debate?  Quoting ENAG is not debate.

How is referencing evidence from a study not debating?

Lets take this quote

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Yes. Dr Rowbotham hasn't been debunked at all, the people that 'debunked' him made flaws in their experiments so produced incorrect results. I trust Dr Rowbothams work.

If an RE person made such a claim you would have demanded every shred of proof from the beginning of time.
Do you have a citation for this sweeping generalisation?

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Re: What is the diameter/radius of the Earth? How wide is it, essentially?
« Reply #32 on: April 11, 2018, 08:14:21 PM »
Lets take this quote

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Yes. Dr Rowbotham hasn't been debunked at all, the people that 'debunked' him made flaws in their experiments so produced incorrect results. I trust Dr Rowbothams work.

If an RE person made such a claim you would have demanded every shred of proof from the beginning of time.

If I claimed that a theory was debunked, and an RE person disagreed and asserted that it has not been debunked, I would be obligated to show evidence where it was debunked, since it was I who made that positive claim.

An assertion of "it has not been debunked" is an opinion on the matter and a negative claim. The burden of proof is on the positive claimant who claims that a debunking occured. "Prove to me that Rowbotham's study was not debunked" is a ridiculous statement. The burden is clearly on those who believe that it was debunked.
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Re: What is the diameter/radius of the Earth? How wide is it, essentially?
« Reply #33 on: April 11, 2018, 08:16:48 PM »
Lets take this quote

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Yes. Dr Rowbotham hasn't been debunked at all, the people that 'debunked' him made flaws in their experiments so produced incorrect results. I trust Dr Rowbothams work.

If an RE person made such a claim you would have demanded every shred of proof from the beginning of time.

I would be asking for evidence of the claim that a study was debunked, since that is the positive claim. The negative claim is that a study was not debunked. The burden of proof is on the positive claimant. "Prove to me that Rowbotham's study was not debunked" is a ridiculous statement. The burden is clearly on those who believe that it was.
The information we have today has been shown to be correct, have you studied the WGS-84 model?

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Re: What is the diameter/radius of the Earth? How wide is it, essentially?
« Reply #34 on: April 11, 2018, 08:23:51 PM »

We've thoroughly discussed those topics. All of that is false.

In YOUR opinion only. Those topics read as you versus everyone else, other people have had the discussion Tom, as usual.