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Re: The British Empire brought civilisation.
« Reply #40 on: December 05, 2013, 05:41:01 PM »
Well, Spank, there's no argument there. The treatment of the Boers was inexcusable by anyone's standards, including Britain's own. Granted the Boers used to shoot natives for sport. They were nothing nice. The first thing the British had to stop when they arrived in S. Africa was that practice of shooting down natives like dogs for fun. That still does not excuse the camps, though. Boers were nothing nice, but treating them that way was unconsionable.

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Re: The British Empire brought civilisation.
« Reply #41 on: December 05, 2013, 05:41:48 PM »
You know that britain had what amounted to concentration camps around its empire, right? Especially in Africa during the Boer War.

EDIT: spank beat me to it

Amongst other atrocities were the massacres of civilians around the globe :
Jallianwala Bagh - India
Bloody Sunday - Ireland
Bombing of civilians in Iraq under British rule
Batang Kali massacre - Malaysia

etc etc.

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Re: The British Empire brought civilisation.
« Reply #42 on: December 05, 2013, 05:45:49 PM »
You'll note most of those took place during the dying days of the empire.

The Amritsar massacre in particular was not typical and was mostly down to a severely misguided commander.

Bloody Sunday was the result of using poorly trained military as police, never gonna end well. It was also an extremely poor tactical decision.
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Yaakov ben Avraham

Re: The British Empire brought civilisation.
« Reply #43 on: December 05, 2013, 05:46:59 PM »
Granted, there were inexcusable acts. But, for example, the Amritsar Massacre was thoroughly investigated & people were punished. Not that that makes it ok! But @ least Britain did hold its military accountable for their conduct.

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Re: The British Empire brought civilisation.
« Reply #44 on: December 07, 2013, 03:10:13 AM »
I think Spank is right. The longer a place was controlled by Britain, the better off it seems to be, the US being the odd man out there. Part of it, though, is the following: in nations predominantly British (or German-British in the USA), the countries are doing better than ones w/ fewer Europeans. The UK itself, Canada, New Zealand, Australia, the USA. This isn't to say that Whites are ethnically better, but that their culture is, @ any rate.

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Re: The British Empire brought civilisation.
« Reply #45 on: December 07, 2013, 01:26:37 PM »
Did you leave the French out of that list for a specific reason?

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Re: The British Empire brought civilisation.
« Reply #46 on: December 07, 2013, 02:21:12 PM »
Well, I was only referring to countries that had been ruled by Britain. Parts of France were (after all, English Kings used the style 'King of England & France, & Lord of Ireland' until the accession of James I, & Henry VI had been crowned King of France in Paris), but it was back when England herself was one of 3 nations in the British Isles (Wales had been controlled by England for awhile). Both England & France were nation-building, & English rule of part of France was part of that country growing a pair & booting England out under Joan of Arc. The point is that France didn't get colonised like say, India. When the English left, they hadn't radically changed French government, culture, or language like they did in Canada, Australia, etc.

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Re: The British Empire brought civilisation.
« Reply #47 on: December 07, 2013, 08:59:08 PM »
You mentioned Germany as an important influence on the States, what about France?  France was even more important in the development of Canada.

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Re: The British Empire brought civilisation.
« Reply #48 on: December 07, 2013, 09:10:59 PM »
All the non-terrible British people left when the United States came into being. Only the idiots were left on the island, resulting in a propagation of idiocy and the downfall of the British empire.

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Re: The British Empire brought civilisation.
« Reply #49 on: December 07, 2013, 09:14:03 PM »
Rama, you are quite right. I stand corrected.

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Re: The British Empire brought civilisation.
« Reply #50 on: December 07, 2013, 11:37:28 PM »
I'm going to rule the Empire of Britannia.
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Re: The British Empire brought civilisation.
« Reply #51 on: December 07, 2013, 11:43:51 PM »
I think Ireland could have done without Britain. We'd eventually have gotten to where we are, from observation of those around us, I think.
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Re: The British Empire brought civilisation.
« Reply #52 on: December 07, 2013, 11:53:44 PM »
To be honest, as pro- Imperialist as I may be, I admit, Ireland probably could have done w/o British rule. At least the Catholic section of it.

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Re: The British Empire brought civilisation.
« Reply #53 on: December 08, 2013, 11:25:51 AM »
One can believe that workers should own the means of production & still believe in civilising people that need it.

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Re: The British Empire brought civilisation.
« Reply #54 on: December 08, 2013, 12:04:37 PM »
I think Ireland could have done without Britain. We'd eventually have gotten to where we are, from observation of those around us, I think.

where you are being economically in the shit you mean?


Re: The British Empire brought civilisation.
« Reply #55 on: December 08, 2013, 02:30:44 PM »
The British Empire had its bad points, but if it wasn't for Britain being as dominant as we were the world would probably have found another more dominant civilisation (possibly China etc...) which may not have promoted the things we take for granted in society today. Such as democracy and the freedom of speech.



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Re: The British Empire brought civilisation.
« Reply #56 on: December 08, 2013, 02:34:11 PM »
You sound like modern day Americans.

Re: The British Empire brought civilisation.
« Reply #57 on: December 08, 2013, 02:42:26 PM »
You sound like modern day Americans.

What's a modern day American?

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Re: The British Empire brought civilisation.
« Reply #58 on: December 08, 2013, 03:43:10 PM »
I think Ireland could have done without Britain. We'd eventually have gotten to where we are, from observation of those around us, I think.

where you are being economically in the shit you mean?

We're going to be in bits either way, Might as well suck under our own terms.
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Re: The British Empire brought civilisation.
« Reply #59 on: December 08, 2013, 04:00:55 PM »
You sound like modern day Americans.

What's a modern day American?

An American who lives in the modern day...