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What Religion are you?

Jewish
1 (1.9%)
Muslim
0 (0%)
Hindu
0 (0%)
Buddhist
0 (0%)
Other
2 (3.8%)
Theist
1 (1.9%)
Folk Religions
2 (3.8%)
Deist
6 (11.3%)
Christian
10 (18.9%)
None (Atheism)
31 (58.5%)

Total Members Voted: 44

Yaakov ben Avraham

Re: What Religion are you?
« Reply #380 on: December 29, 2013, 12:45:54 AM »
That would be the Bronze Age, actually. & we're talking, presumably, about an adult child. One presumes that a literal non-adult human would not have aquired such low habits as regular drunkenness. If he has, I think the parents are more @ fault than the child. On a purely personal level, I believe that the Torah is entirely applicable in 21st Century life. HOWEVER, & this is a major caveat, I believe that Jewish law, whilst divine in origin & thus immutable, must be interpreted afresh for every age. You gave me 2 choices. Orthodoxy or Liberal Reform. Of course I choose Orthodoxy. But if Traditional Conservative (as opposed to Modern Conservative) is an option, then yes, I'll take it. There is still a literal belief in Maimonides' 13 Articles of Faith & the Scripture as Divine. There is simply understanding that circumstances change, & interpretations must as well in some cases.
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Re: What Religion are you?
« Reply #381 on: December 29, 2013, 12:57:14 AM »
I did no such thing. I gave you a choice between Reform and Atheism.
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Re: What Religion are you?
« Reply #382 on: January 05, 2014, 05:01:50 PM »
Why do you keep arguing with this guy? There are two options:

1. He is trolling you because he gets some strange sort of amusement out of this.

or

2. He really is a Jewish nutjob, in which case your words are meaningless anyway.

And you better not give me some bullshit Lorddave answer "I have nothing better to do" you know damn well there is something better you could be doing than arguing with a troll or a nutter.

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Re: What Religion are you?
« Reply #383 on: January 05, 2014, 07:28:07 PM »
I was holding out for an admission that he indeed cherry picks the Torah because he has been known to admit he is wrong in the past. You are likely right, and I have given up on Yaakov based on the choices you presented. I want to lock him, EJ and Scepti in a room and see who comes out alive.
Th*rk is the worst person on this website.

Re: What Religion are you?
« Reply #384 on: January 05, 2014, 07:46:55 PM »
You know, putting druggies in the same jail only strengthens their connections...
I don't even care to find out what you're doing wrong, but I'm sure you're doing something wrong.

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Re: What Religion are you?
« Reply #385 on: January 05, 2014, 07:58:31 PM »
If you believe God appeared to a nation on a mountaintop why don't you believe the Earth was created in 6 days 6,000 years ago?  Is that all of a sudden too incredible?

I have never understood why people consider YEC to be "extreme". Does it really make more sense for Abrahamic religions to believe that God created the Universe billions of years before his chosen people would come around, instead of, you know, simply creating the Universe in a given "aged" state? It could have simply been "simulated" until the point of its creation, to the extent that it needn't conflict with evolution and the like.

I mean, I'm not religious, but it doesn't seem that silly to me. Considering you're already putting a ridiculous amount of value on your own existence, you might as well go all the way with it.

Yaakov ben Avraham

Re: What Religion are you?
« Reply #386 on: January 05, 2014, 08:07:50 PM »
Putting EJ in a room w/ me is going on on the other board. Its interesting. For God to have created the world in an 'aged' state would make him a liar.

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Re: What Religion are you?
« Reply #387 on: January 05, 2014, 08:11:58 PM »
Why's that? The Genesis itself doesn't suggest the world wasn't created as "aged". Adam and Eve weren't created as infants. Plants weren't created as saplings.

Yaakov ben Avraham

Re: What Religion are you?
« Reply #388 on: January 05, 2014, 08:18:52 PM »
Blanko, you have a point. I would have to examine the commentaries on the matter. I don't have an answer for you @ present. Your point is taken, though.

Saddam Hussein

Re: What Religion are you?
« Reply #389 on: January 05, 2014, 08:28:23 PM »
Thanks for bumping this thread, Rushy. ::)

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Re: What Religion are you?
« Reply #390 on: January 05, 2014, 09:05:44 PM »
Thanks for bumping this thread, Rushy. ::)

Jelly you did not necro it after several years?
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Yaakov ben Avraham

Re: What Religion are you?
« Reply #391 on: January 06, 2014, 06:59:16 AM »
Well, Rama, EJ was in the same room as me in AR on the other board. You know they tolerate pretty much anything in there. But he managed to get himself banned for extreme racism. It will either be 90 days or a permaban. The mod is taking a few days to think about it. It appears you have your answer. I came out alive. It seems EJ has quite an issue w/ Jews. His ethno-religious hatred was directed @ Jews generally, & me particularly. If you want to read the thread, it is 'A month? A whole flippin month' in AR. I do admit my Yiddish got a little harsh. But he was asking for it.

Yaakov ben Avraham

Re: What Religion are you?
« Reply #392 on: January 06, 2014, 07:04:47 AM »
And Rushy, to answer your implied question, no, I'm not a troll. I am what in your eyes would probably qualify as a 'Jewish nutter'. I don't deny having what many people regard as strong views. Even among my fellow Jews, my views are often perceived as extreme.

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Re: What Religion are you?
« Reply #393 on: January 06, 2014, 07:14:01 PM »
I do admit my Yiddish got a little harsh. But he was asking for it.

It is my fervent hope that one day I will be able to walk away from an argument and say this. 
BRB, learning Yiddish.

Yaakov ben Avraham

Re: What Religion are you?
« Reply #394 on: January 06, 2014, 07:46:01 PM »
To be honest, I'd like to do the same. I can curse quite well in Yiddish, but I don't speak the language. That is common among Jews who grew up in less observant homes. I chose to be observant as an adult. As a child, the family was secular & did not use Yiddish or go to shul.

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Re: What Religion are you?
« Reply #395 on: January 07, 2014, 09:12:21 AM »
Oy vey, sounds like you're being a complete shmuck, although it does dake chutzpah to admit as such amongst goyim.

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Re: What Religion are you?
« Reply #397 on: January 07, 2014, 05:15:05 PM »
Yaakov, just to clarify, EJ was being abusive and spewing personal attacks in both the upper and lower fora and had been warned to stop.  The hate speech in the lower fora was the straw that broke the camel's back. 

Yaakov ben Avraham

Re: What Religion are you?
« Reply #398 on: January 07, 2014, 05:51:51 PM »
Jroa, I see. I thought when his dialog w/ me re: Proofs had been moved to AR w/ warnings to us both that he'd have been smart enough to modify his conduct in the Upper Fora, as I was. As for the racial talk, I did not know whether that was allowed in Lower Fora or not. I do not consider myself racist, although I admit I can get a bit triumphalistic about being Jewish when really pushed. But it would not have occurred to me to insult him racially, but only personally. @ this point, I'll be curious to find out if the ban stays @ 90 days or goes permaban.

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Re: What Religion are you?
« Reply #399 on: January 07, 2014, 06:04:21 PM »
At this point, the alt accusation is just speculation, although it is shared by many.  However, lacking concrete proof, his ban will remain 90 days.

Also, the lower fora is very relaxed, in the context of the rules, compared to the rest of the fora.  However, excessive hate speech and personal attacks will still be dealt with.