[Action80]

All you have to do is a little of your own research.  If I post it and you don't like what you hear, you will probably say I'm altering the audio somehow and then throw out a bunch of expletives.  I would rather save you the trouble of doing that and keep things a bit more civil on this site.

I have listened to the audio. Posted some of it right here. I have listened to others.

You don't have it and haven't heard it.

[Action80]

Is the audio publically available?

Yes, LD, it is.

Thing is, it does not say anything that Ronj says it says.

He won't post any of it, because he knows it does not.

He is lying, just like Duncass is lying.

I'll just leave this here, demonstrating Ronj is posting BS as usual.

[Action80]

He, She, They, It.  Does it matter? 

Only if you're a bigot I suppose. 

(Close Enough).

Fuck that, Duncass.

This has nothing to do with your stupid attempts to drag this into something political and I am not going to sit here and let you label me a bigot.

You wrote some goddamn, lying ass, fucking bullshit, and I called you out on it.

STFU, liar.

[honk]

Trump was the one who made this political by immediately insisting without evidence (and incorrectly, as it turned out) that this was caused by DEI policies. Any other president would have offered consolation and enjoyed some positive press for leading the country through tragedy, but Trump can't let a single incident pass without turning it into an us-vs-them moment. Of course, Trump's cynical strategy of fostering division rather than unity has now gotten him elected twice, so who am I to say it's ineffective?

[RonJ]

Is the audio publically available?

Yes, LD, it is.

Thing is, it does not say anything that Ronj says it says.

He won't post any of it, because he knows it does not.

He is lying, just like Duncass is lying.

I'll just leave this here, demonstrating Ronj is posting BS as usual.

There's nothing wrong with your YouTube audio recording of the tower controller EXCEPT what you don't know is that fixed wing aircraft and helicopters will generally be operating on different frequencies while maneuvering in the vicinity of an airport.  The YouTube only has the audio from the tower talking to the helicopters and the fixed wing aircraft.  You can hear the reply from the fixed wing aircraft but not from the helicopters as they are transmitting on a different frequency that is not being received & recorded on the YouTube you linked.  You need to do more research.  If you do you will find out that helicopters use the frequency 134.35 and you can hear the tower talking back & forth to a Medivac helicopter and PAT 25.  Just before the crash the tower says: "do you have the CRJ in sight" and PAT25 responds: "have the aircraft in sight, request visual separation". 


It's just that simple.  Do your research and come up with the facts.  I have a download of the audio recording between the helicopters and the tower but it's a little confusing because most of transmissions are between the tower and the fixed wing aircraft.  You don't hear any replies from the aircraft at all.  When the tower calls the helicopter only then do you hear both sides of the transmissions.  That's because when the tower talks, they are transmitting on both the tower frequency for the fixed wing aircraft and on the helicopter frequency.  On the receive side you don't hear the aircraft on the fixed wing tower frequency only the helicopters on 134.35.  It all makes sense to me after flying for lots of years & talking to control towers and actually repairing aircraft radios when I had a radio shop at my local airport.       


If you lookup the tower frequencies for Reagan Airport you will find out that they use a number of frequencies.  Arrival is different from departure.  East is different than West.  There are some different ground frequencies for different applications as well.  This is typical for a busy airport like Reagan.  I've never been in there myself as pilot in command but it's the same kind of thing if you are flying into an airport in Chicago or LA which I have been into. 

[Shane]

when do gas and groceries get cheaper

[Lord Dave]

Is the audio publically available?

Yes, LD, it is.

Thing is, it does not say anything that Ronj says it says.

He won't post any of it, because he knows it does not.

He is lying, just like Duncass is lying.

I'll just leave this here, demonstrating Ronj is posting BS as usual.

Yeah it does.

Tower talks to the helicopter (whose audio is not present) and tells it visual separation approved.  Then to pass from behind crj.  But as we have no audio from pat25, we can't say what their replies are.

It's also clear there are at least two people in the tower as you can hear another person say "oh my god!".

I'd like to hear audio from pat25.

[AATW]

when do gas and groceries get cheaper

When all those other countries have to start paying tariffs which then have to be passed on to people in the US…er…hang on a minute!

[AATW]

Trump was the one who made this political by immediately insisting without evidence (and incorrectly, as it turned out) that this was caused by DEI policies.

The issue for me isn’t whether he was correct or not. One of my issues with him, other than him being a narcissistic self-serving bigot, is he seems to base his opinions on gut feel and hunch. Or what he sees on social media or TV - which is all heavily filtered because of the channels he chooses to watch which all pander to his worldview.
I’d want a leader to base decisions on data and evidence, not gut feel and wishful thinking. A good example of the latter being when he said Covid was all under control and would disappear. It wasn’t and it didn’t. And he had no basis for saying it would other than that’s what he hoped would happen. Sigh.

[flannel jesus]

One of my issues with him, other than him being a narcissistic self-serving bigot, is he seems to base his opinions on gut feel and hunch. Or what he sees on social media or TV - which is all heavily filtered because of the channels he chooses to watch which all pander to his worldview.

It's weird seeing a person who, rationally speaking, really does represent the worst of us get into the highest position, and to see so many people support him.

Even internationally! I'm in England and there's plenty of trump fans here. Not as many of course, and even most conservatives here it seems see him rightly as an idiot, but the more uneducated and poor conservatives genuinely like him often. It's so bizarre. He's got an international cult following. I don't know what they see in him... maybe themselves?

[AATW]

I agree but we (I'm also in the UK) can't get on our high horses too much given that we voted for Brexit and elected Trump!
I'm sure you're as sick as I am of Brexit, whatever side of that debate you were on. But it was not a decision arrived at by a well educated or informed population. It was "the sky will fall in if we leave" vs "everything will be much better if we leave". Neither side was telling the truth and people just don't care.
With Johnson - he's similar to Trump in that he has has a somewhat tenuous grasp on the truth. There are differences though. Trump just says whatever pops into his head and bases his opinions on stuff he sees on social media or Fox news - sources all carefully filtered to constantly reinforce his worldview. Johnson is better read and educated but he just says whatever he thinks sounds good and will make him popular, he genuinely doesn't care what's true and he believes he has some divine right to rule.

I used to joke that there should be a test before you can vote, as I get older I become more serious in that view. It's probably a terrible idea but it's lamentable how little people understand about the issues they're voting on.

[AATW]

Chuckle

[Lord Dave]

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/cqjvg82lg4yt

So Trump himself saying that tariffs may cause pain.  But maybe not. Because as president he doesn't need to know the results of his actions.


Also..

"We don’t need anything they have. We have unlimited Energy, should make our own Cars, and have more Lumber than we can ever use. Without this massive subsidy, Canada ceases to exist as a viable Country. "

If we don't need anything they have and they'd cease to exist as a viable country without subsidies... Why does he want to own it?  Does he like taking in failing things so American can have another welfare needy state?

[Lord Dave]

Also also..

https://www.latimes.com/environment/story/2025-01-31/trump-california-dams-opened-up

Summary:
Trump claims victory by forcing the army Corp of engineers to open flood valves at damns 200 miles north of LA for... Reasons.  No coordination prior to this order was done nor does it help anyone as the waters will not magically flow down to the fires.

[AATW]

I don’t really understand all this executive order stuff. Why can a US President unilaterally decide policy, impose tariffs, pardon people, decide about DEI policies, halt refugee programmes etc.
You do have a government, shouldn’t these things go through that, be discussed and voted on?

The Uk system of democracy is lamentably poor in terms of how we arrive at a government. But our Prime Minister can’t strutt around like an emperor or dictator unilaterally deciding policy.

[Lord Dave]

Basically, the president has control over the executive branch.  The part that does the actual work of implementing laws.  So as president he can dictate how those departments do their job.

Pardoning is part of the constitution and has no real limits.

But Trump is also doing things he's not allowed to do and is being stopped by the courts.

[AATW]

Basically, the president has control over the executive branch.  The part that does the actual work of implementing laws.  So as president he can dictate how those departments do their job.

Pardoning is part of the constitution and has no real limits.

But Trump is also doing things he's not allowed to do and is being stopped by the courts.

Right. Interesting.
I did hear something (possibly on The Rest is Politics podcast) about how Trump is signing executive orders with no regard to whether those things are actually legal. I guess those are the things being stopped.

[Lord Dave]

So apparently the Norwegian government is hoping to lower interest rates in March.  But since America is going to have a Trade War with Canada and Mexico, they may have to raise it instead.

So once again, Trump is fucking me over and I don't even live there.

[Tom Bishop]

I don’t really understand all this executive order stuff. Why can a US President unilaterally decide policy, impose tariffs, pardon people, decide about DEI policies, halt refugee programmes etc.

If it was left to Congress they would just argue about it and have a hard time getting the required votes and essentially do nothing. If you argue enough it can often result in a split in the consensus. In debates there is a psychological factor to balance out issues. In the past there have been issues with the media doing things like interviewing a doctor on a medical issue and then interviewing a crystal healing practitioner about the 'alternative' opinion, implying that there are two equal sides. If you do that enough you give undue legitimacy and the public will eventually think that there really are two sides.

Allowing the US President great freedom to act, react, and dictate policy is partly why the US is the richest and most powerful country on earth. This is also why the English Crown has lost an incredible amount of world power after the Monarchy decided to stop governing directly and leave most things to democracy. They gave away too much to democracy. You do need an active governing king, but you need the ability to vote for that king.

The founders of the United States were highly educated, studied history closely, and designed the US Constitution based specifically on the failed direct democracy experiments of Ancient Greece, and the failed direct monarchies in France and elsewhere, with the correct balance. Most other countries just know that democracy is desirable and are recklessly slapping elements together.

[Lord Dave]

I don’t really understand all this executive order stuff. Why can a US President unilaterally decide policy, impose tariffs, pardon people, decide about DEI policies, halt refugee programmes etc.

If it was left to Congress they would just argue about it and have a hard time getting the required votes and essentially do nothing. If you argue enough it can often result in a split in the consensus. In debates there is a psychological factor to balance out issues. In the past there have been issues with the media doing things like interviewing a doctor on a medical issue and then interviewing a crystal healing practitioner about the 'alternative' opinion, implying that there are two equal sides. If you do that enough you give undue legitimacy and the public will eventually think that there really are two sides.

Allowing the US President great freedom to act, react, and dictate policy is partly why the US is the richest and most powerful country on earth. This is also why the English Crown has lost an incredible amount of world power after the Monarchy decided to stop governing directly and leave most things to democracy. They gave away too much to democracy. You do need an active governing king, but you need the ability to vote for that king.

The founders of the United States were highly educated and designed the US Constitution based specifically on the failed direct democracy experiments of Ancient Greece, and failed direct monarchies in France with the correct balance. Most other countries just know that democracy is desirable and are recklessly slapping elements together.

And the massive resources and exploited immigrant labor didn't help, right?