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Re: Trump
« Reply #4080 on: July 18, 2019, 10:50:40 PM »
I would say that's largely because of people like Trump pushing a false definition.
I absolutely agree.

You can't make this not about Trump no matter how you try.
I really don't understand what you mean here. I am doing nothing of the sort. I was saying a discussion/debate about socialism would be off-topic. Discussing what Trump says about socialism or who he thinks are socialists obviously isn't off-topic. But I am not overly interested in discussing how Trump is clueless about yet another topic.

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« Reply #4081 on: July 18, 2019, 10:51:32 PM »
Very quick Google:

https://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/statements/byruling/false/

Your other comments you're just being disingenuous.

Ah, yes, the very same site that is known for ruling lies from Democrats as "half-false" but twisting itself in knots to claim Trump is lying. Linking this site tells me everything I need to know about you. That you refuse to even attempt to address my other points is the cherry on top.

wait are you seriously trying to imply that turnip is like...honest?  you genuinely can't come up with any examples of his outrageous falsehoods on your own?  really?

I think there's a stark difference between "Trump literally never lies" (which applies to no human being in existence) and linking to politi"fact".

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« Reply #4082 on: July 18, 2019, 10:55:37 PM »
IMO the 'congresswoman' who married her brother should genuinely be deported back to Somalia.
What is your proof of that?
I had a look and found people have made that allegation - just like people (Trump being one of them) made allegations about Obama being born in Kenya.
Anyone can make an allegation, where is your proof?


If I remember correctly, she's a Muslim.
Are you saying that Islam allows siblings to marry? ???
Abandon hope all ye who press enter here.

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If you can't demonstrate it, then you shouldn't believe it.

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« Reply #4083 on: July 18, 2019, 10:58:27 PM »
Are you saying that Islam allows siblings to marry? ???

I'm saying I don't think their IQ distribution is a direct result of healthy breeding practices.

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Re: Trump
« Reply #4084 on: July 18, 2019, 11:27:29 PM »
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/453712-graham-i-dont-remember-anyone-treating-john-mccain-the-way-theyre-treating

Gee I don't know Lindsey, maybe it's because McCain showed respect for Obama as an American citizen rather than angrily proclaiming that he should go back where he came from?

Good lord, Trump's cronies are just grasping at straws trying to justify his behavior now.
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« Reply #4085 on: July 18, 2019, 11:45:58 PM »
https://theweek.com/speedreads/853634/rep-ilhan-omar-reminds-lindsey-graham-that-once-called-trump-racebaiting-bigot

Amnesia seems to have reached epidemic levels in the Republican party. Someone should look into it!
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« Reply #4086 on: July 19, 2019, 02:31:13 AM »
Actually, I have heard said tape recording of Trump admitting to grabbing a woman by the "pussy". I know we have our disagreements, but I'm sure even you can admin that grabbing a woman by their genitals is sexual assault.

Edit: After reading the exact quote that AATW posted below, I will correct myself.... Trump technically didn't admit to grabbing women by their genitals. He DID admit to kissing them (which is still sexual assault), and he insinuates that grabbing their genitals is 'OK'. He also implies that he has done this himself.

The argument that the "grab them by the pussy" argument isn't really incriminating if you pay attention to Trump's precise choice of words or whatever is ridiculous and not reflective of how pretty much anyone in the world speaks. As if Trump, in the middle of bragging about what a stud he is and how he starts kissing women automatically without even waiting, would suddenly just change the subject completely without so much as a "by the way" and make a hypothetical comment about how he could grab women by the pussy if he were so inclined, but totally doesn't and never has. Of course that's not what happened. And if this defense had any truth to it, or even just plausibility, of course Trump and/or his team would have made the argument rather than have him do what he truly hates and apologize for the comments.

Responding to a couple of points in a general sense rather than specifically quoting anyone - Ilhan Omar did not marry her brother, and there's no evidence to suggest that she did beyond the fact that it's not immediately falsifiable, due to not much being publicly known about the man she married - which isn't actually evidence at all. There really isn't much more to say about it than that. It's a smear concocted by anonymous dipshits on the Internet, spread by cranks in far-right media, and dutifully repeated by the president.

Trump's frequent, outrageous lies are well-documented. He lies about the weather, about voting fraud, about fake people who totally love him and everything he does, about history, about natural disasters, about what's clearly been recorded on tape or video, and so on. Yes, I've noticed that Politifact has on at least a few occasions dinged Republicans harder than Democrats for statements that are largely the same, but that legitimate flaw doesn't take away from the enormity of Trump's documented flagrant dishonesty. You can like Trump for being the "bad boy" of Washington, you can like him for his political acumen, and you can even like him for the childish, sophomoric reason of "if the establishment says he's bad then he must be good," but there's no sense in pretending that dishonesty isn't a major part of the Trump package.
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Re: Trump
« Reply #4087 on: July 19, 2019, 07:49:52 AM »
Linking this site tells me everything I need to know about you.
I made it very clear that I did a quick Google and it was pretty much the first result - second if I remember right, but it had a decent list.
There are other lists out there if you prefer a different source.
Your response tells me everything I need to know about you. This is how so many internet "debates" go:
A: Here is my assertion
B: What is your evidence?
A: Here is some evidence
B: That evidence is wrong.
*sigh*.

I didn't think it was a particularly controversial assertion that Trump lies. All politicians lie. The thing which I think makes him different is the frequency of his lies and the way he lies about silly things which are so demonstrably false, like a child does. Trump said that God "looked down" and stopped it raining on his inauguration speech. In the footage from his speech there are people literally in raincoats with hoods up!
Does this not worry you, or do you deny he does this?

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That you refuse to even attempt to address my other points is the cherry on top.

Your other points were "he's not on tape admitting sexual assault" which is just you playing silly semantic games. I have addressed that in another post. You made some comment about Trump not mentioning any names when you and everyone else knows damn well who he was referring to.
And then you made an unfounded allegation against someone which you have provided no evidence for.
I have asked for your evidence and your response was:

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If I remember correctly, she's a Muslim.

Which is no response at all. So, again, what is your evidence for the assertion that she married her brother?
And on what basis do you think a US citizen and elected member of Congress should be deported?
If you are making your claim without evidence then we can discard it without evidence.

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Re: Trump
« Reply #4088 on: July 19, 2019, 10:52:18 AM »
And if this defense had any truth to it, or even just plausibility, of course Trump and/or his team would have made the argument rather than have him do what he truly hates and apologize for the comments.
Why? There's an actual thing he's done wrong - he made ridiculous comments about women, which are largely indefensible. He apologised for those.

There is also an unsubstantiated theory (beyond "wow if we interpret his words to mean something he didn't explicitly say but maybe perhaps implied then he arguably claimed to have done so and that's, uh, proof and stuff!!!") that he actually assaulted someone. Rightly, this went entirely unacknowledged by most of the world, including Trump.

See, this is what makes the conspiratorial Dems so funny - there's an actual issue here that nobody could argue against, and a shitty non-apology doesn't change anything. If you simply left it at that, you'd be making some progress. But instead you guys are pushing a more extreme narrative for... reasons. Actually, what are your reasons? Agree with me or not, you already know that this narrative is not helping you in any way. Wouldn't it make more sense to be pragmatic about it?

Even if you're well and truly convinced that we should accuse people of crimes based on the fact that they hypothesised about them (I spent enough time calling you stupid for it, so I'll gloss over it this time), surely you must see that this is largely viewed as ridiculous, and is only bolstering the support for the guy whose support you're hoping to erode.
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Re: Trump
« Reply #4089 on: July 19, 2019, 10:58:47 AM »
Oh, one other thing...

Trump supporters don't mind the fact "anyonebuttrumpers," think we are stupid, idiotic, mindless, drones...

We know we are not and we enjoy each and every minute of the idiocy on display in the eyes of those with who remain clueless...quite laughable!
Seriously though.
Why don't you care that so much of what Trump says is untrue? Just clearly, demonstrably untrue?
Why don't you care that he's literally on tape admitting sexual assault? There are a bunch of allegations but other women but forget that, he's literally on tape admitting he assaults women.
No, he isn't.
Why don't you care that he just suggested 4 black ladies should "go back where they came from" when 3 of them were born in the US and Trump himself has roots outside America and not that far back.
Because that isn't all he said.

You just like to make it all bad.

He pointed out they can't even fix up their own neighborhood and shouldn't have the temerity or gall to offer up that "everything is bad in America."

Because it isn't.

Doesn't any of this bother you? Why not?
What bothers me is everyone pulling out fallacious race cards and victim cards when they should be pulling something else out...

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« Reply #4090 on: July 19, 2019, 11:07:34 AM »
Trump is simply speaking out loud what every sane person in the US feels at the moment.

MLK, Jr. would disown every single one these supposed Democrats.

Please, do tell me the main points all 4 women have about America thats bad?

Please note that Trump himself said America was bad too, ya know before he got elected.
1 main point of all 4 women:
1) AOC - socialist whack job who auditioned for the part...
Social security is socialist.  Public schools are socialist.  Ya know, fyi.
Yeah, I know...

Both institutions going broke as we speak and one failing to perform its job.

I call that whacky.
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B) Omar is in the country illegally. She is a noted Anti-Semite.
And Obama was an illegal president.  Right.... ::)
Also, just assuming she managed to get forged documents and bribes to get through not only election officials but republican research teams (but not you, obviously)..... This is not a point Omar is making about America thats bad.  So I guess you couldn't find anything eh?
Still under investigation.
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III) Pressley thinks that people of color should all have the same thoughts and ideas...if not, they need to keep their mouths shut.
Dunno about that but I know Trump feels that way about Americans.
FTFY...

No need to thank me.
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四) Tailib, also an Anti-Semite who thinks there is nothing wrong with yelling, "motherfucker," at a gathering of friends.
So Trump insulting, using crude language with co-stars is fine but that isn't?  This js also not anything against America. 
Also, does getting mad about her use of "Motherfucker" mean you're an offended libtard snowflake?  Need a safe place from the big bad women?
No, it means that Tailib shouldn't try to twist around...

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Please note Trump never stated America was bad.

Please note he stated those things that were wrong.
Please quote me any of those women doing something different.  Saying America is bad.
It is out there...

I don't expect you to look for it as you are truly not interested...
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Please note he only stated he would make it right and make it great again.

Please note it is.

Please note it will continue to get better.

Please note the truth is not lost on his supporters.

Please note there will be continued weeping and gnashing of teeth in November of 2020...

Please note our beloved and illustrious SUPREME LEADER!!!

Please note these 4 women will not be doing anything but whining and bitching for the rest of their miserable lives.
Yeah... See I heard most of the whining and bitching from republicans for 8 years.  Know what I think?  I think the insane and delusional always view themselves as right, even when they're wrong.
Laughable at best.

Keep hoping.

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« Reply #4091 on: July 19, 2019, 12:42:10 PM »
Because that isn't all he said.
You just like to make it all bad.
He pointed out they can't even fix up their own neighborhood and shouldn't have the temerity or gall to offer up that "everything is bad in America."
Because it isn't.

This is what he said:

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So interesting to see “Progressive” Democrat Congresswomen, who originally came from countries whose governments are a complete and total catastrophe, the worst, most corrupt and inept anywhere in the world (if they even have a functioning government at all), now loudly and viciously telling the people of the United States, the greatest and most powerful Nation on earth, how our government is to be run. Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came. Then come back and show us how it is done. These places need your help badly, you can’t leave fast enough. I’m sure that Nancy Pelosi would be very happy to quickly work out free travel arrangements!

Who originally came? Go back? Go back where? What does that mean?
3 of them were born in the US, the other came to the US as a child and has been a US citizen for decades.

What do you mean by "their own neighbourhood"?

All 4 are US citizens and elected congresswomen. That surely gives them the right to opine about how things in the US are run?
If you are making your claim without evidence then we can discard it without evidence.

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« Reply #4092 on: July 19, 2019, 01:59:26 PM »
And if this defense had any truth to it, or even just plausibility, of course Trump and/or his team would have made the argument rather than have him do what he truly hates and apologize for the comments.
Why? There's an actual thing he's done wrong - he made ridiculous comments about women, which are largely indefensible. He apologised for those.

There is also an unsubstantiated theory (beyond "wow if we interpret his words to mean something he didn't explicitly say but maybe perhaps implied then he arguably claimed to have done so and that's, uh, proof and stuff!!!") that he actually assaulted someone. Rightly, this went entirely unacknowledged by most of the world, including Trump.

See, this is what makes the conspiratorial Dems so funny - there's an actual issue here that nobody could argue against, and a shitty non-apology doesn't change anything. If you simply left it at that, you'd be making some progress. But instead you guys are pushing a more extreme narrative for... reasons. Actually, what are your reasons? Agree with me or not, you already know that this narrative is not helping you in any way. Wouldn't it make more sense to be pragmatic about it?

Even if you're well and truly convinced that we should accuse people of crimes based on the fact that they hypothesised about them (I spent enough time calling you stupid for it, so I'll gloss over it this time), surely you must see that this is largely viewed as ridiculous, and is only bolstering the support for the guy whose support you're hoping to erode.

I never thought there was much meat to the "grab em by the pussy" angle. It's disgusting and awful but seriously far, far from the worst thing about him. The media loves this story and everything about his extramarital dalliances because sex, but giving focus to such non-issues really just makes Democrats look bitter and grasping when there's so much low-hanging fruit for us to be righteously angry about. And trying to claim it's anything more than it really is ( a rich douchebag and known liar bragging that being famous allows him to do pretty much whatever he wants) smacks of desperation at a time that we really shouldn't need to be desperate.
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« Reply #4093 on: July 19, 2019, 02:08:11 PM »
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Please quote me any of those women doing something different.  Saying America is bad.
It is out there...

I don't expect you to look for it as you are truly not interested

lol, it's a baseless claim until you can show evidence of it... see, this is the sort of thing that makes people look on Trump supporters as "mindless drones". You love repeating the President's lies, and when asked to show that they're not lies all  you can offer is a weak  "oh, it's out there, believe me!"

If it's out there show us where, otherwise it's another baseless claim meant to rile up the mindless drones who follow him... and you're just a mindless drone for blindly repeating it.

And I truly am interested, by the way. If one of our elected officials is truly on the record saying they hate America, I don't want that elected official in office.
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« Reply #4094 on: July 19, 2019, 02:56:28 PM »
Because that isn't all he said.
You just like to make it all bad.
He pointed out they can't even fix up their own neighborhood and shouldn't have the temerity or gall to offer up that "everything is bad in America."
Because it isn't.

This is what he said:

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So interesting to see “Progressive” Democrat Congresswomen, who originally came from countries whose governments are a complete and total catastrophe, the worst, most corrupt and inept anywhere in the world (if they even have a functioning government at all), now loudly and viciously telling the people of the United States, the greatest and most powerful Nation on earth, how our government is to be run. Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came. Then come back and show us how it is done. These places need your help badly, you can’t leave fast enough. I’m sure that Nancy Pelosi would be very happy to quickly work out free travel arrangements!

Who originally came?
Omar.
Go back?
Yes.
Go back where?
Somalia.
What does that mean?
It means go back to Somalia.
3 of them were born in the US, the other came to the US as a child and has been a US citizen for decades.
So?
What do you mean by "their own neighbourhood"?
Again, quoting our SUPREME ILLUSTRIOUS LEADER!!!!
"...Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came?"
All 4 are US citizens and elected congresswomen. That surely gives them the right to opine about how things in the US are run?
One is more than likely here illegally (Omar) and the others have opinions and knowledge bereft of sanity.

And that's the truth.

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« Reply #4095 on: July 19, 2019, 03:06:23 PM »
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Please quote me any of those women doing something different.  Saying America is bad.
It is out there...

I don't expect you to look for it as you are truly not interested

lol, it's a baseless claim until you can show evidence of it... see, this is the sort of thing that makes people look on Trump supporters as "mindless drones". You love repeating the President's lies, and when asked to show that they're not lies all  you can offer is a weak  "oh, it's out there, believe me!"

If it's out there show us where, otherwise it's another baseless claim meant to rile up the mindless drones who follow him... and you're just a mindless drone for blindly repeating it.

And I truly am interested, by the way. If one of our elected officials is truly on the record saying they hate America, I don't want that elected official in office.
And this is the sort of thing that makes people look on "anyonebuttrumpers," as being lazy and disingenuous.

Plenty of instances of all 4 talking about institutional racism (as if there is such a thing), how this country has done nothing but keep them down, how pay isn't equal for women, etc...

Of course they all got the benefit of college and even jobs (probably due to Affirmative Action and female quotas).

MLK, Jr., stated he had a dream when one day people would not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.

A great amount of people have now bastardized that great philosophical, moral, and ethical stance into something twisted and sick.

And it isn't conservatives who have done so...

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« Reply #4096 on: July 19, 2019, 03:09:22 PM »
So?
So they have every right to be in the country. They are citizens. 3 of them were born in the US, they have nowhere to go "back" to.
All 4 are elected congresswomen and therefore have every right to comment on how the US is run - as does everyone actually, it's your first amendment.

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One is more than likely here illegally (Omar)

Can you back that up with any actual evidence? She came to the US with her family at 10 and was granted asylum, she was granted US citizenship at 17.
Can you provide any evidence that she is in the US illegally?

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and the others have opinions and knowledge bereft of sanity.

I'll just remind you here that you're a flat earther...
But you are entitled to your opinion, they are entitled to theirs.

You want to live in a society where you as a citizen can be deported because other people don't agree with things you say?

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And that's the truth.

No, it's your opinion.
If you are making your claim without evidence then we can discard it without evidence.

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« Reply #4097 on: July 19, 2019, 03:17:40 PM »
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Please quote me any of those women doing something different.  Saying America is bad.
It is out there...

I don't expect you to look for it as you are truly not interested

lol, it's a baseless claim until you can show evidence of it... see, this is the sort of thing that makes people look on Trump supporters as "mindless drones". You love repeating the President's lies, and when asked to show that they're not lies all  you can offer is a weak  "oh, it's out there, believe me!"

If it's out there show us where, otherwise it's another baseless claim meant to rile up the mindless drones who follow him... and you're just a mindless drone for blindly repeating it.

And I truly am interested, by the way. If one of our elected officials is truly on the record saying they hate America, I don't want that elected official in office.
And this is the sort of thing that makes people look on "anyonebuttrumpers," as being lazy and disingenuous.

Plenty of instances of all 4 talking about institutional racism (as if there is such a thing), how this country has done nothing but keep them down, how pay isn't equal for women, etc...

In other words talking about problems they see that exist in the country and that they feel need to be addressed.

Again, this is exactly how Trump got elected.

Meanwhile nothing supporting that they think America is bad or that they hate America.

Noted.
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« Reply #4098 on: July 19, 2019, 03:19:11 PM »
So?
So they have every right to be in the country. They are citizens. 3 of them were born in the US, they have nowhere to go "back" to.
Their neighborhoods are nowhere?
All 4 are elected congresswomen and therefore have every right to comment on how the US is run - as does everyone actually, it's your first amendment.
Yeah, they do have a right to comment...never said they didn't, and neither did our beloved, illustrious Supreme Leader...

Everyone enjoys listening to sheer stupidity...and these 4 have it by the truckloads.

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One is more than likely here illegally (Omar)

Can you back that up with any actual evidence? She came to the US with her family at 10 and was granted asylum, she was granted US citizenship at 17.
Can you provide any evidence that she is in the US illegally?
Currently under investigation.
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and the others have opinions and knowledge bereft of sanity.

I'll just remind you here that you're a flat earther...
But you are entitled to your opinion, they are entitled to theirs.

You want to live in a society where you as a citizen can be deported because other people don't agree with things you say?
Citizens cannot be deported. No one has called for anyone to be deported.
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And that's the truth.

No, it's your opinion.
Yep, and in this case it is the truth.

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Re: Trump
« Reply #4099 on: July 19, 2019, 03:30:59 PM »
Actually can you provide a quote where any one of them has said that this country has "done nothing but bring them down"?  I find that assertion a bit unlikely, but it does come closer to saying "America is bad" than anything else you've provided and truly isn't a good look.  Not to mention being disingenuous as they are all elected officials.
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