Re: Trump
« Reply #4060 on: July 18, 2019, 02:20:36 PM »
This is a testament to just how divided this country is. You have anti-trumpers calling the other side idiots, and you have idiots, I mean pro-trumpers, calling the other side insane.
It's no better here.
We have Brexit which has completely polarised opinion. You now have to be in one camp or the other and there's very little sensible dialogue between them.
The state of political debate is pretty depressing both sides of the pond :(
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Re: Trump
« Reply #4061 on: July 18, 2019, 02:25:46 PM »
How one could support a Semitic group against another Semitic group and be anti-Semitic is beyond me.
That's alright.  How someone could tell 4 duly elected members of Congress to stay out of politics is beyond me too.
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Re: Trump
« Reply #4062 on: July 18, 2019, 03:37:01 PM »
IMO the 'congresswoman' who married her brother should genuinely be deported back to Somalia.
What is your proof of that?
I had a look and found people have made that allegation - just like people (Trump being one of them) made allegations about Obama being born in Kenya.
Anyone can make an allegation, where is your proof?
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Re: Trump
« Reply #4063 on: July 18, 2019, 03:47:42 PM »
IMO the 'congresswoman' who married her brother should genuinely be deported back to Somalia.
What is your proof of that?
I had a look and found people have made that allegation - just like people (Trump being one of them) made allegations about Obama being born in Kenya.
Anyone can make an allegation, where is your proof?

Proof aside, different cultures can and do have different lineage practices. Patrilineal vs. matrilineal for instance. The differences in lineage define who is acceptable to marry and who isn't. Not that I would condone it personally, but in many cultures it is acceptable to marry your first cousin. I can't think of any cultures off-hand (aside from maybe the royal family historically?) who practice marrying their siblings, but I'm sure it exists.
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Re: Trump
« Reply #4064 on: July 18, 2019, 06:02:51 PM »
B) Omar is in the country illegally.
Incorrect.  She spent 4 years in a Kenyan refugee camp before receiving asylum in the US.

She is a noted Anti-Semite.
Criticizing Israel's treatment of Palestinians does not necessarily make one anti-Semitic.

It pisses me off, equating an anti-Israel stance with antisemitism, as if there aren't valid criticisms to be made of Israel's behavior or America's support of it. Seriously, the fact that even Democrats  (including the Speaker of the House!) are taking up the cry turns my stomach. They wouldn't call someone anti-Muslim for stating they're anti-Iran; I would love for someone to show me where there's a difference.
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Re: Trump
« Reply #4065 on: July 18, 2019, 08:24:14 PM »
Trump is simply speaking out loud what every sane person in the US feels at the moment.

MLK, Jr. would disown every single one these supposed Democrats.

Please, do tell me the main points all 4 women have about America thats bad?

Please note that Trump himself said America was bad too, ya know before he got elected.
1 main point of all 4 women:
1) AOC - socialist whack job who auditioned for the part...
Social security is socialist.  Public schools are socialist.  Ya know, fyi.

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B) Omar is in the country illegally. She is a noted Anti-Semite.
And Obama was an illegal president.  Right.... ::)
Also, just assuming she managed to get forged documents and bribes to get through not only election officials but republican research teams (but not you, obviously)..... This is not a point Omar is making about America thats bad.  So I guess you couldn't find anything eh? 

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III) Pressley thinks that people of color should all have the same thoughts and ideas...if not, they need to keep their mouths shut.
Dunno about that but I know Trump feels that way about Americans.

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四) Tailib, also an Anti-Semite who thinks there is nothing wrong with yelling, "motherfucker," at a gathering of friends.
So Trump insulting, using crude language with co-stars is fine but that isn't?  This js also not anything against America. 
Also, does getting mad about her use of "Motherfucker" mean you're an offended libtard snowflake?  Need a safe place from the big bad women?


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Please note Trump never stated America was bad.

Please note he stated those things that were wrong.
Please quote me any of those women doing something different.  Saying America is bad.

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Please note he only stated he would make it right and make it great again.

Please note it is.

Please note it will continue to get better.

Please note the truth is not lost on his supporters.

Please note there will be continued weeping and gnashing of teeth in November of 2020...

Please note our beloved and illustrious SUPREME LEADER!!!

Please note these 4 women will not be doing anything but whining and bitching for the rest of their miserable lives.
Yeah... See I heard most of the whining and bitching from republicans for 8 years.  Know what I think?  I think the insane and delusional always view themselves as right, even when they're wrong.

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Re: Trump
« Reply #4066 on: July 18, 2019, 08:34:47 PM »
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1 main point of all 4 women:
1) AOC - socialist whack job who auditioned for the part...
Social security is socialist.  Public schools are socialist.  Ya know, fyi.

To be fair, none of those things or people are inherently socialist. Don't fall for the trap from republican brainlets who think socialism is the government doing stuff. If it doesn't involve advocating for the workers to control the means of production, it plainly is not socialism.

Re: Trump
« Reply #4067 on: July 18, 2019, 08:46:31 PM »
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1 main point of all 4 women:
1) AOC - socialist whack job who auditioned for the part...
Social security is socialist.  Public schools are socialist.  Ya know, fyi.

To be fair, none of those things or people are inherently socialist. Don't fall for the trap from republican brainlets who think socialism is the government doing stuff. If it doesn't involve advocating for the workers to control the means of production, it plainly is not socialism.
I disagree.  Controlling the means of production is communism, which is a form of socialism but not socialism as a whole.  To me socialism is the government providing a service for the benefit of society as a whole.

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Re: Trump
« Reply #4068 on: July 18, 2019, 08:50:21 PM »
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1 main point of all 4 women:
1) AOC - socialist whack job who auditioned for the part...
Social security is socialist.  Public schools are socialist.  Ya know, fyi.

To be fair, none of those things or people are inherently socialist. Don't fall for the trap from republican brainlets who think socialism is the government doing stuff. If it doesn't involve advocating for the workers to control the means of production, it plainly is not socialism.
I disagree.  Controlling the means of production is communism, which is a form of socialism but not socialism as a whole.  To me socialism is the government providing a service for the benefit of society as a whole.

Just pulling this right off the first google hit, so take it with a grain of salt:

so·cial·ism

noun: socialism

    a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.


If you go by this definition, socialism is not necessary government controlled, but rather communally controlled. Community can be government as well as non-government. But I think in order to truly understand socialism, some more research is in order....
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Re: Trump
« Reply #4069 on: July 18, 2019, 09:29:41 PM »
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1 main point of all 4 women:
1) AOC - socialist whack job who auditioned for the part...
Social security is socialist.  Public schools are socialist.  Ya know, fyi.

To be fair, none of those things or people are inherently socialist.

They most certainly are. Any system that involves redistribution of wealth is inherently socialist, because that's what socialism is.
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Re: Trump
« Reply #4070 on: July 18, 2019, 09:47:55 PM »
They most certainly are. Any system that involves redistribution of wealth is inherently socialist, because that's what socialism is.

Sigh... No, it isn't (by the literal definition). But this really isn't the thread for that topic.

edit: I wouldn't mind a dedicated topic on socialism. But redistribution of wealth occurs in most every economic system (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redistribution_of_income_and_wealth#Role_in_economic_systems) and is in no way exclusive to socialism. If you want to go deeper into this, then let's fire up a new thread.
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Re: Trump
« Reply #4071 on: July 18, 2019, 10:08:32 PM »
They most certainly are. Any system that involves redistribution of wealth is inherently socialist, because that's what socialism is.

Sigh... No, it isn't (by the literal definition). But this really isn't the thread for that topic.

edit: I wouldn't mind a dedicated topic on socialism. But redistribution of wealth occurs in most every economic system (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redistribution_of_income_and_wealth#Role_in_economic_systems) and is in no way exclusive to socialism. If you want to go deeper into this, then let's fire up a new thread.

Then the argument can't be made that (say) Medicare For All is inherently socialist either. Nice that that's cleared up.
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Re: Trump
« Reply #4072 on: July 18, 2019, 10:13:20 PM »
Then the argument can't be made that (say) Medicare For All is inherently socialist either. Nice that that's cleared up.

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Re: Trump
« Reply #4073 on: July 18, 2019, 10:14:52 PM »
Someone needs to get the word out!
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Re: Trump
« Reply #4074 on: July 18, 2019, 10:20:44 PM »
Someone needs to get the word out!

I think anyone who understands the definition of words already knows!

Since it is clear you have no interest in discussing the topic, let me suggest the thread return to pointing out how awful Trump is. If you change your mind, let's take it to another thread like I suggested previously.

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Re: Trump
« Reply #4075 on: July 18, 2019, 10:27:21 PM »
Very quick Google:

https://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/statements/byruling/false/

Your other comments you're just being disingenuous.

Ah, yes, the very same site that is known for ruling lies from Democrats as "half-false" but twisting itself in knots to claim Trump is lying. Linking this site tells me everything I need to know about you. That you refuse to even attempt to address my other points is the cherry on top.

IMO the 'congresswoman' who married her brother should genuinely be deported back to Somalia.
What is your proof of that?
I had a look and found people have made that allegation - just like people (Trump being one of them) made allegations about Obama being born in Kenya.
Anyone can make an allegation, where is your proof?


If I remember correctly, she's a Muslim.
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Re: Trump
« Reply #4076 on: July 18, 2019, 10:28:22 PM »
Someone needs to get the word out!

I think anyone who understands the definition of words already knows!

Since it is clear you have no interest in discussing the topic, let me suggest the thread return to pointing out how awful Trump is. If you change your mind, let's take it to another thread like I suggested previously.

You say that as if this line of argument has nothing to do with Trump, even though he's the one most vocally crying that the progressives are trying to make this country socialist.   ::)
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« Reply #4077 on: July 18, 2019, 10:32:43 PM »
Very quick Google:

https://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/statements/byruling/false/

Your other comments you're just being disingenuous.

Ah, yes, the very same site that is known for ruling lies from Democrats as "half-false" but twisting itself in knots to claim Trump is lying. Linking this site tells me everything I need to know about you. That you refuse to even attempt to address my other points is the cherry on top.

wait are you seriously trying to imply that turnip is like...honest?  you genuinely can't come up with any examples of his outrageous falsehoods on your own?  really?
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Re: Trump
« Reply #4078 on: July 18, 2019, 10:35:06 PM »
You say that as if this line of argument has nothing to do with Trump, even though he's the one most vocally crying that the progressives are trying to make this country socialist.   ::)

I meant an actual thread regarding socialism. If you want to talk about how Trump doesn't understand socialism and uses the term incorrectly, then sure. I was suggesting a thread to discuss and debate what socialism actually is based on definitions. It's obvious from this thread that even most of the anti-Trump folks don't understand what socialism is.

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« Reply #4079 on: July 18, 2019, 10:42:37 PM »
You say that as if this line of argument has nothing to do with Trump, even though he's the one most vocally crying that the progressives are trying to make this country socialist.   ::)

I meant an actual thread regarding socialism. If you want to talk about how Trump doesn't understand socialism and uses the term incorrectly, then sure. I was suggesting a thread to discuss and debate what socialism actually is based on definitions. It's obvious from this thread that even most of the anti-Trump folks don't understand what socialism is.

I would say that's largely because of people like Trump pushing a false definition. You can't make this not about Trump no matter how you try.
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