Re: Trump
« Reply #4100 on: July 19, 2019, 03:35:47 PM »
Everyone enjoys listening to sheer stupidity...
We do like your posts, yes.

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Currently under investigation.

Oh, so you have no evidence then for something you said was "more than likely"...

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Citizens cannot be deported. No one has called for anyone to be deported

You'll have to tell that to the angry mob chanting "Send her back, send her back", whipped up by Trumps's Twitter rhetoric.
If you are making your claim without evidence then we can discard it without evidence.

Re: Trump
« Reply #4101 on: July 19, 2019, 03:47:15 PM »
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Please quote me any of those women doing something different.  Saying America is bad.
It is out there...

I don't expect you to look for it as you are truly not interested

lol, it's a baseless claim until you can show evidence of it... see, this is the sort of thing that makes people look on Trump supporters as "mindless drones". You love repeating the President's lies, and when asked to show that they're not lies all  you can offer is a weak  "oh, it's out there, believe me!"

If it's out there show us where, otherwise it's another baseless claim meant to rile up the mindless drones who follow him... and you're just a mindless drone for blindly repeating it.

And I truly am interested, by the way. If one of our elected officials is truly on the record saying they hate America, I don't want that elected official in office.
And this is the sort of thing that makes people look on "anyonebuttrumpers," as being lazy and disingenuous.

Plenty of instances of all 4 talking about institutional racism (as if there is such a thing), how this country has done nothing but keep them down, how pay isn't equal for women, etc...

In other words talking about problems they see that exist in the country and that they feel need to be addressed.

Again, this is exactly how Trump got elected.

Meanwhile nothing supporting that they think America is bad or that they hate America.

Noted.
Thanks for noting the things they see as existing in the country actually DO NOT EXIST.

And yeah, claiming something America is about, when it really isn't...that = "bad."

Re: Trump
« Reply #4102 on: July 19, 2019, 03:50:47 PM »
Everyone enjoys listening to sheer stupidity...
We do like your posts, yes.
Thanks.

We like yours as well.
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Currently under investigation.

Oh, so you have no evidence then for something you said was "more than likely"...
Yeah, the evidence is it is under investigation.

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Citizens cannot be deported. No one has called for anyone to be deported

You'll have to tell that to the angry mob chanting "Send her back, send her back", whipped up by Trumps's Twitter rhetoric.
Oh, those people will vote for sure...

And they are angry for a reason...

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Re: Trump
« Reply #4103 on: July 19, 2019, 03:58:30 PM »
Guys, please let's try to tone it down. I understand there are strong disagreements at play, and that each side thinks the other is supremely unreasonable, but we should strive to do better.
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Re: Trump
« Reply #4104 on: July 19, 2019, 04:02:17 PM »
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Please quote me any of those women doing something different.  Saying America is bad.
It is out there...

I don't expect you to look for it as you are truly not interested

lol, it's a baseless claim until you can show evidence of it... see, this is the sort of thing that makes people look on Trump supporters as "mindless drones". You love repeating the President's lies, and when asked to show that they're not lies all  you can offer is a weak  "oh, it's out there, believe me!"

If it's out there show us where, otherwise it's another baseless claim meant to rile up the mindless drones who follow him... and you're just a mindless drone for blindly repeating it.

And I truly am interested, by the way. If one of our elected officials is truly on the record saying they hate America, I don't want that elected official in office.
And this is the sort of thing that makes people look on "anyonebuttrumpers," as being lazy and disingenuous.

Plenty of instances of all 4 talking about institutional racism (as if there is such a thing), how this country has done nothing but keep them down, how pay isn't equal for women, etc...

In other words talking about problems they see that exist in the country and that they feel need to be addressed.

Again, this is exactly how Trump got elected.

Meanwhile nothing supporting that they think America is bad or that they hate America.

Noted.
Thanks for noting the things they see as existing in the country actually DO NOT EXIST.

And yeah, claiming something America is about, when it really isn't...that = "bad."

Ok... moving the goalposts,  perfectly understandable for someone in your position... it's what people do when they realize they are wrong but don't want to own up to it.

So they never said that America is bad, or that they hate America, or that America has done nothing but bring them down, then?
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Re: Trump
« Reply #4105 on: July 20, 2019, 07:01:09 AM »
When The Onion needs to write a positive, normal sounding article about Trump to still be satire.

https://www.theonion.com/trump-says-he-disagrees-with-send-her-back-chants-1836545001

Re: Trump
« Reply #4106 on: July 20, 2019, 07:59:26 AM »
Yeah, the evidence is it is under investigation.

Can you give me some details about that investigation?
I'm confused how you conclude from an investigation which you allege is happening - you've not even provided any evidence that an investigation is ongoing - that it is "more than likely" that she is in the country illegally.

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Oh, those people will vote for sure...

And we all know who they will vote for, but that is not a response.
You said that "No one has called for anyone to be deported".
An angry mob were shouting "send her back" at a Trump rally. So those people were calling for to be deported.

And while we're here. Another example of Trump's blatant lies:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-us-canada-49039465/trump-s-send-her-back-denial-and-what-actually-happened

Reporter: "When your supporters last week were chanting "send her back" why didn't you stop them? Why didn't you ask them to stop saying that?"

Trump: "Well, number one, I think I did. I started speaking very quickly"

*cut to video of Trump standing there smugly drinking the chant in silently for a full 13 seconds*

 ???
If you are making your claim without evidence then we can discard it without evidence.

Re: Trump
« Reply #4107 on: July 20, 2019, 08:09:27 AM »
Only 13 seconds?  I mean, thats pretty quick.  You know him, he likes to soak it in for a while.

Also, totally lied about hush money payments to his porn mistress as we saw from the revealed court documents.

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Re: Trump
« Reply #4108 on: July 22, 2019, 01:56:11 AM »
Why? There's an actual thing he's done wrong - he made ridiculous comments about women, which are largely indefensible. He apologised for those.

There is also an unsubstantiated theory (beyond "wow if we interpret his words to mean something he didn't explicitly say but maybe perhaps implied then he arguably claimed to have done so and that's, uh, proof and stuff!!!") that he actually assaulted someone. Rightly, this went entirely unacknowledged by most of the world, including Trump.

Trump was heavily criticized for seemingly admitting to sexual assault, not simply for being lewd and disrespectful about women. The whole reason he held a press conference a couple of days later with the women who have made allegations of sexual assault against Bill Clinton was because he recognized that he was being accused of sexual assault and wanted to make a tu quoque against the Clintons. And if you don't want to take my word for it, I have a clip of Trump being confronted with the allegation of him seemingly admitting to sexual assault:

https://twitter.com/ggreeneva/status/934514140005261313

Trump denied that he had admitted to sexual assault - but only because he insisted that the whole conversation was "locker room talk" and therefore not worth taking seriously, which is not your argument about why he didn't really admit to sexual assault.

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See, this is what makes the conspiratorial Dems so funny - there's an actual issue here that nobody could argue against, and a shitty non-apology doesn't change anything. If you simply left it at that, you'd be making some progress. But instead you guys are pushing a more extreme narrative for... reasons. Actually, what are your reasons? Agree with me or not, you already know that this narrative is not helping you in any way. Wouldn't it make more sense to be pragmatic about it?

Even if you're well and truly convinced that we should accuse people of crimes based on the fact that they hypothesised about them (I spent enough time calling you stupid for it, so I'll gloss over it this time), surely you must see that this is largely viewed as ridiculous, and is only bolstering the support for the guy whose support you're hoping to erode.

That's a weird thing to say. My posts here are reflective of my own beliefs, not a part of some broader political strategy on behalf of the Democratic Party, and I'm not going to water them down them in pursuit of some fallacious appeal to balance. I mean, I could say much the same thing to you. Gee, Pete, you should really just concede that Trump claimed to grope women without their consent, but didn't really mean it because it was just empty bragging. For you to insist that he didn't actually claim to grope women, even as a boast, is just too extreme and unbelievable. It makes you look like you're just desperate to never concede an inch on Trump's infallibility, and you're only going to drive more people away from him.

See? That doesn't make sense, because like me, your aim in your posts is to express your views, not form a political strategy that you'll then present to the country. You're not going to dilute your own positions just because that might be more "pragmatic" on the national stage. We may not agree on much, but surely we can at least grant each other our sincerity.
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Re: Trump
« Reply #4109 on: July 22, 2019, 11:42:16 AM »
Yeah, the evidence is it is under investigation.

Can you give me some details about that investigation?
I'm confused how you conclude from an investigation which you allege is happening - you've not even provided any evidence that an investigation is ongoing - that it is "more than likely" that she is in the country illegally.
I suggest you visit the Minneapolis Star website and do a search.

Your confusion is none of my concern.
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Oh, those people will vote for sure...

And we all know who they will vote for, but that is not a response.
You said that "No one has called for anyone to be deported".
An angry mob were shouting "send her back" at a Trump rally. So those people were calling for to be deported.
So Trump supporters are now somebody...

At least we are getting acknowledgment.
And while we're here. Another example of Trump's blatant lies:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-us-canada-49039465/trump-s-send-her-back-denial-and-what-actually-happened

Reporter: "When your supporters last week were chanting "send her back" why didn't you stop them? Why didn't you ask them to stop saying that?"

Trump: "Well, number one, I think I did. I started speaking very quickly"

*cut to video of Trump standing there smugly drinking the chant in silently for a full 13 seconds*

 ???
The United States has something called the First Amendment, so those people could chant what they wanted to chant.

And the President didn't lie.

Re: Trump
« Reply #4110 on: July 22, 2019, 11:44:18 AM »
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Please quote me any of those women doing something different.  Saying America is bad.
It is out there...

I don't expect you to look for it as you are truly not interested

lol, it's a baseless claim until you can show evidence of it... see, this is the sort of thing that makes people look on Trump supporters as "mindless drones". You love repeating the President's lies, and when asked to show that they're not lies all  you can offer is a weak  "oh, it's out there, believe me!"

If it's out there show us where, otherwise it's another baseless claim meant to rile up the mindless drones who follow him... and you're just a mindless drone for blindly repeating it.

And I truly am interested, by the way. If one of our elected officials is truly on the record saying they hate America, I don't want that elected official in office.
And this is the sort of thing that makes people look on "anyonebuttrumpers," as being lazy and disingenuous.

Plenty of instances of all 4 talking about institutional racism (as if there is such a thing), how this country has done nothing but keep them down, how pay isn't equal for women, etc...

In other words talking about problems they see that exist in the country and that they feel need to be addressed.

Again, this is exactly how Trump got elected.

Meanwhile nothing supporting that they think America is bad or that they hate America.

Noted.
Thanks for noting the things they see as existing in the country actually DO NOT EXIST.

And yeah, claiming something America is about, when it really isn't...that = "bad."

Ok... moving the goalposts,  perfectly understandable for someone in your position... it's what people do when they realize they are wrong but don't want to own up to it.

So they never said that America is bad, or that they hate America, or that America has done nothing but bring them down, then?
I didn't move the goalposts.

You and I aren't playing the same game.

As a matter, of fact I am playing no game.

And that is why Trump will win again in 2020.

Re: Trump
« Reply #4111 on: July 22, 2019, 01:24:01 PM »
I suggest you visit the Minneapolis Star website and do a search.

OK. I found this:

http://www.startribune.com/new-documents-revisit-questions-about-rep-ilhan-omar-s-marriage/511681362/

Some selected quotes:

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Omar’s reticence is consistent with near total silence she has maintained for three years amid questions raised through public records picked over by conservative opinion journalists intent on proving that she committed immigration fraud. Those attacks, she once tweeted, are the provenance of “fake journalists on bigoted blogs.”
The Star Tribune has sought to authenticate some of the most egregious allegations, using public records and available social media posts, which make up the bulk of the case against her.
Some of the original social media accounts linking Elmi to Omar after their split in 2011 appear to have been removed, and documents verifying the family relationships of refugees from war-torn countries with limited government record-keeping are notoriously hard to obtain, even by U.S. immigration authorities.
Omar declined to make her tax and immigration records available for this report.

The article mentions some potentially dodgy financial dealings, a lot of allegations but can't see any hard evidence.
Certainly nothing to base an opinion that she is "more than likely" in the country illegally on.
Are the immigration authorities officially investigating her case?

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The United States has something called the First Amendment, so those people could chant what they wanted to chant.

Correct. That's the same amendment which allows her to criticise the president or anything else she feels needs to be criticised. You can disagree with her, that's fine, but she has a right to say it just like the angry mob have the right to chant "send her back" about a US citizen. But you are moving the goalposts, you started this by saying that "No one has called for anyone to be deported".
Yes they have. That chant is a mob of people doing exactly that.
It concerns me that it doesn't trouble you that your president can whip up a crowd to chant that a US citizen should be deported.

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And the President didn't lie.

Reporter: "When your supporters last week were chanting "send her back" why didn't you stop them? Why didn't you ask them to stop saying that?"
Trump: "Well, number one, I think I did. I started speaking very quickly"

Have another look at the video. As they start chanting "send her back" he stands there silently, smugly drinking it in for a full 13 seconds.
He only starts to speak again when they stop. So yes, the part in bold is a lie. He did nothing to stop them chanting it. He didn't egg them on either (although it was his Tweets which stirred them up), he just stood there and let it happen.
If you are making your claim without evidence then we can discard it without evidence.

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Re: Trump
« Reply #4112 on: July 22, 2019, 02:59:41 PM »
The United States has something called the First Amendment, so those people could chant what they wanted to chant.
Actually, the fist amendment does have its limits.

Although different scholars view unprotected speech in different ways, there are basically nine categories:

    Obscenity
    Fighting words
    Defamation (including libel and slander)
    Child pornography
    Perjury
    Blackmail
    Incitement to imminent lawless action
    True threats
    Solicitations to commit crimes

And the President didn't lie.
Lying comes so naturally to Trump that I'm not sure if he even knows when he's lying an when he isn't.
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Re: Trump
« Reply #4113 on: July 22, 2019, 03:37:28 PM »
I suggest you visit the Minneapolis Star website and do a search.

OK. I found this:

http://www.startribune.com/new-documents-revisit-questions-about-rep-ilhan-omar-s-marriage/511681362/

Some selected quotes:

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Omar’s reticence is consistent with near total silence she has maintained for three years amid questions raised through public records picked over by conservative opinion journalists intent on proving that she committed immigration fraud. Those attacks, she once tweeted, are the provenance of “fake journalists on bigoted blogs.”
The Star Tribune has sought to authenticate some of the most egregious allegations, using public records and available social media posts, which make up the bulk of the case against her.
Some of the original social media accounts linking Elmi to Omar after their split in 2011 appear to have been removed, and documents verifying the family relationships of refugees from war-torn countries with limited government record-keeping are notoriously hard to obtain, even by U.S. immigration authorities.
Omar declined to make her tax and immigration records available for this report.

The article mentions some potentially dodgy financial dealings, a lot of allegations but can't see any hard evidence.
Certainly nothing to base an opinion that she is "more than likely" in the country illegally on.
Are the immigration authorities officially investigating her case?
I am unaware if they are.

How you base your opinions is no concern of mine.

Your judgment of how I base my opinions is also of no concern or worth.
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The United States has something called the First Amendment, so those people could chant what they wanted to chant.

Correct. That's the same amendment which allows her to criticise the president or anything else she feels needs to be criticised. You can disagree with her, that's fine, but she has a right to say it just like the angry mob have the right to chant "send her back" about a US citizen. But you are moving the goalposts, you started this by saying that "No one has called for anyone to be deported".
Yes they have. That chant is a mob of people doing exactly that.
A) Your opinion of Trump supporters seemed to be clear: Ignorant nobodies.
II) She has a right to say anything she wants.
3) It seems you now believe this, "mob" to be capable of sending her back...
It concerns me that it doesn't trouble you that your president can whip up a crowd to chant that a US citizen should be deported.
Kindly point out where Trump stated anyone here legally should be deported.

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And the President didn't lie.

Reporter: "When your supporters last week were chanting "send her back" why didn't you stop them? Why didn't you ask them to stop saying that?"
Trump: "Well, number one, I think I did. I started speaking very quickly"

Have another look at the video. As they start chanting "send her back" he stands there silently, smugly drinking it in for a full 13 seconds.
He only starts to speak again when they stop. So yes, the part in bold is a lie. He did nothing to stop them chanting it. He didn't egg them on either (although it was his Tweets which stirred them up), he just stood there and let it happen.
He didn't lie.

He stated, "I think I did."

I am sure you also have stated you "I think I did," when in fact you hadn't.

Re: Trump
« Reply #4114 on: July 22, 2019, 03:40:59 PM »
The United States has something called the First Amendment, so those people could chant what they wanted to chant.
Actually, the fist amendment does have its limits.

Although different scholars view unprotected speech in different ways, there are basically nine categories:

    Obscenity
    Fighting words
    Defamation (including libel and slander)
    Child pornography
    Perjury
    Blackmail
    Incitement to imminent lawless action
    True threats
    Solicitations to commit crimes
Legal scholars can scholar what they wish.

Nothing happened at the rally on which to take legal action.
And the President didn't lie.
Lying comes so naturally to Trump that I'm not sure if he even knows when he's lying an when he isn't.
Lying comes naturally to everybody.

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Re: Trump
« Reply #4115 on: July 22, 2019, 04:11:13 PM »



Reporter: "When your supporters last week were chanting "send her back" why didn't you stop them? Why didn't you ask them to stop saying that?"
Trump: "Well, number one, I think I did. I started speaking very quickly"

Have another look at the video. As they start chanting "send her back" he stands there silently, smugly drinking it in for a full 13 seconds.
He only starts to speak again when they stop. So yes, the part in bold is a lie. He did nothing to stop them chanting it. He didn't egg them on either (although it was his Tweets which stirred them up), he just stood there and let it happen.
He didn't lie.

He stated, "I think I did."

I am sure you also have stated you "I think I did," when in fact you hadn't.

This doesn't appear to be, "I started speaking very quickly"

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« Reply #4116 on: July 22, 2019, 04:57:18 PM »
The United States has something called the First Amendment, so those people could chant what they wanted to chant.
Actually, the fist amendment does have its limits.

Although different scholars view unprotected speech in different ways, there are basically nine categories:

    Obscenity
    Fighting words
    Defamation (including libel and slander)
    Child pornography
    Perjury
    Blackmail
    Incitement to imminent lawless action
    True threats
    Solicitations to commit crimes
Legal scholars can scholar what they wish.

Nothing happened at the rally on which to take legal action.
I didn't say there was.  However, some might consider "send her back" to be fighting words, and thereby not protected speech.


And the President didn't lie.
Lying comes so naturally to Trump that I'm not sure if he even knows when he's lying an when he isn't.
Lying comes naturally to everybody.
Including yourself?  That would explain a lot.
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Re: Trump
« Reply #4117 on: July 22, 2019, 05:13:51 PM »
Did the Lackey Troll actually admit Trump was wrong?  Wow.... Maybe he can be beat...

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« Reply #4119 on: July 22, 2019, 07:02:50 PM »
I don't keep up on Twitter, so could someone please cite some of the tweets where any of those women are saying that they hate America?
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