[Lord Dave]

You know, it occurs to me that Iran may want nukes, not to wipe out Israel with them, but to prevent themselves from being wiped out. 

Right now, Israel has nukes (so we assume anyway) and Iran does not.  If Iran were to go to war with Israel, Israel may just nuke them out of spite.  If Iran had nukes, they would not likely be nuked in response to the war.

Also, it would put Iran in a position of safety as few would want to attack Iran.  Such as Israel.

[Yaakov ben Avraham]

Like I said, how would Israel use them without fallout eventually killing them? That would be a bit stupid.

[Lord Dave]

Like I said, how would Israel use them without fallout eventually killing them? That would be a bit stupid.

They're God's chosen people on his chosen land.  Surely God wouldn't let Jews be wiped out...


Oh right, never mind.

[Yaakov ben Avraham]

That has nothing to do with it, and just shows that you are an anti-religious fool. Irrespective of religion, Israel isn't stupid. They're not going to do something that deliberately gets themselves killed.

[Tau]

That has nothing to do with it, and just shows that you are an anti-religious fool. Irrespective of religion, Israel isn't stupid. They're not going to do something that deliberately gets themselves killed.

And Iran should be content with that answer? Besides, isn't the same true in reverse? If Israel can't nuke Iran without the risk of fallout, then Iran can't nuke Israel without the risk of fallout.

[Yaakov ben Avraham]

That's true. But the Ayatollahs are borderline psychotic. Perhaps not quite as crazy as North Korea, but damned close.

[Tau]

That's true. But the Ayatollahs are borderline psychotic. Perhaps not quite as crazy as North Korea, but damned close.

And your prime minister isn't?

[Yaakov ben Avraham]

1st off, I live in Iowa. I have never even visited Israel, and I have no relatives there. Although I am supportive of Mr. Netanyahu, he in no way can be defined as "my Prime Minister" any more than Queen Elizabeth, whom I also admire, can be called "my Queen". Sadly, Mr. Obama CAN be defined as my President, as much as I regret that fact.

That having been said, no, I don't think Mr. Netanyahu is nearly stupid enough to use a nuclear bomb on Iran.

[Tau]

1st off, I live in Iowa. I have never even visited Israel, and I have no relatives there. Although I am supportive of Mr. Netanyahu, he in no way can be defined as "my Prime Minister" any more than Queen Elizabeth, whom I also admire, can be called "my Queen". Sadly, Mr. Obama CAN be defined as my President, as much as I regret that fact.

That having been said, no, I don't think Mr. Netanyahu is nearly stupid enough to use a nuclear bomb on Iran.

Netanyahu is a yahu. It's true.

But anyway, I think Israel's nuclear weapons should be held under the supervision of the US military. You haven't demonstrated yourselves to be responsible enough to have them independently. Maybe when you're a bit more humane toward the citizens of Palestine you'll earn the privilege of having your own WMDs, but not now.

[Rushy]

Russia knows it's powerful enough to fight sanctions fairly successfully in the UN and elsewhere. They're a completely different case. They're permanent members of the Security Council, for christ's sake. Iran, on the other hand, is pretty much helpless in the face of the international community.

Iran is a major trading partner with China. The sanctions ultimately didn't do a whole lot more than say "we don't like you." They were hurt no more than Russia was. The UN is a joke.

[Yaakov ben Avraham]

"Palestine"? Seriously? That's a joke, and not even a funny one. Since no nation called "Palestine" exists, there is no one to treat, humanely or otherwise. There are Arabs under military occupation who should be forcibly deported, along with Arabs of Israel whose citizenship should be revoked and they also should be deported.

[Yaakov ben Avraham]

Russia knows it's powerful enough to fight sanctions fairly successfully in the UN and elsewhere. They're a completely different case. They're permanent members of the Security Council, for christ's sake. Iran, on the other hand, is pretty much helpless in the face of the international community.

Iran is a major trading partner with China. The sanctions ultimately didn't do a whole lot more than say "we don't like you." They were hurt no more than Russia was. The UN is a joke.

Well, IRUSH, you have a point there.

[Tau]

"Palestine"? Seriously? That's a joke, and not even a funny one. Since no nation called "Palestine" exists, there is no one to treat, humanely or otherwise. There are Arabs under military occupation who should be forcibly deported, along with Arabs of Israel whose citizenship should be revoked and they also should be deported.

And until your opinion changes about this you can't be trusted with nuclear weapons. If I had my way your military would be run the way Japan's was after WWII.

[Yaakov ben Avraham]

Aww. It sounds like someone needs a nap. Until the Occupied Arabs stop shooting rockets at innocent civilians, and using kids as human shields, and so-forth... while you're at it, tell me about "Palestine". Tell me the name of any leaders it had before Arafat. What kind of government did it have? What currency did it use? Can you show me a political map displaying a country that was ever called "Palestine"? I wait with bated breath (not) the answers to these questions that have no answers, since the territory was always controlled by others. But go ahead. Try.

[Vindictus]

It used to exist, before it was subjugated.

You know, it occurs to me that Iran may want nukes, not to wipe out Israel with them, but to prevent themselves from being wiped out. 

Right now, Israel has nukes (so we assume anyway) and Iran does not.  If Iran were to go to war with Israel, Israel may just nuke them out of spite.  If Iran had nukes, they would not likely be nuked in response to the war.

Also, it would put Iran in a position of safety as few would want to attack Iran.  Such as Israel.

Israel wouldn't need to use nuclear weapons to defeat Iran. Iran may be a major military player in the region, but an arabic nation has yet to best the Israeli military.

[mister bickles]

"nuclear weapons" are just another sick, jew joke   

don't believe any-thing this damn jew tells you......jews are liars and murderers....psychopathic gangsters....an international cabal of criminal psychopaths.....their non-religion is a putrid joke! 

never trust a jew and never believe any-thing they tell you.....
(unless yr "sick of living", that is!  )

[Yaakov ben Avraham]

It used to exist, before it was subjugated.

Again, same questions.  Tell me about "Palestine". Tell me the name of any leaders it had before Arafat. What kind of government did it have? What currency did it use? Can you show me a political map displaying a country that was ever called "Palestine"? I wait with bated breath (not) the answers to these questions that have no answers, since the territory was always controlled by others. And no, Ancient Philistia doesn't count. They were a branch of the Sea Peoples, related to the Greeks and the Cretans. The "Falestini" are Arabs and Amalekites (a breed of Canaanite) that have NEVER been independent a day in their lives, since the Israelites took the Promised Land in the Hebrew Bible under Joshua so long ago. The Canaanites were there first, and were conquered by us. The Arabs arrived after 600 CE. Jews tend not to intermarry with others, but the other people in the Holy Land did and do. And the "Falestini" were always a part of an empire of some sort or other. And, to be fair, some Jews HAVE intermarried, albeit not to the degree of other groups.

And to forego our anti-Semitic friend, yes, Ashkenazi Jews have been proven to be related to other Jews, such as Sephardi Jews, and Yemeni Jews, and Kaifeng Jews, and Cochin Jews, and so-on, all of whom are related to Jews that remained in the Holy Land after the Romans conquered the region. The Khazars were not the origin site of the Ashkenaz. In fact, they were a Kingdom in Southern Russia and stretching into Northern Turkey. Only the Royals of that Kingdom converted to Judaism in any large numbers. Most of the common people were Christian or Muslim or Tengristic. the Royals became Jewish partly out of conviction, and partly for diplomatic reasons (they could be neutral in conflicts between their subjects if they held neither Islamic nor Christian nor Tengristic beliefs).

Back on our original point, in fact, the word "Palestine" itself comes from a Roman word, "Syria Palestina". The Arabic language has no letter "p", and no "p" sound. They have to write the word with an "f". In any case, I look forward to you giving me the answers to my questions. Especially since there are none. Before 1967, so-called "Palestine" was part of Egypt and Jordan, and before '48 the whole area was part of Syria, and the whole mess was ruled by Britain, and before that, it was all Ottoman, etc.

But the Jews have a history of an independent State there. Read your Bible for information on that. The Arabs never did, as they were always part of an Empire, and the Amalekites were dealt with in the Bible. I'll leave you to look that up for yourselves.

For information on Khazaria and the Khazars see:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khazars

[Tau]

Aww. It sounds like someone needs a nap. Until the Occupied Arabs stop shooting rockets at innocent civilians, and using kids as human shields, and so-forth... while you're at it, tell me about "Palestine". Tell me the name of any leaders it had before Arafat. What kind of government did it have? What currency did it use? Can you show me a political map displaying a country that was ever called "Palestine"? I wait with bated breath (not) the answers to these questions that have no answers, since the territory was always controlled by others. But go ahead. Try.

See, and this is exactly my point. Until you stop seeing a race of people as an infestation, there's no way you should be trusted with weaponry of any sort. Would you give a gun to a blind man?

As for your question of 'what is Palastine'? It's a region of the Middle East currently colonized by European powers with questionable, outdated historical claims to the area but a definite White Man's Burden complex. Pretty simple question, in my opinion.

[Yaakov ben Avraham]

Aww. It sounds like someone needs a nap. Until the Occupied Arabs stop shooting rockets at innocent civilians, and using kids as human shields, and so-forth... while you're at it, tell me about "Palestine". Tell me the name of any leaders it had before Arafat. What kind of government did it have? What currency did it use? Can you show me a political map displaying a country that was ever called "Palestine"? I wait with bated breath (not) the answers to these questions that have no answers, since the territory was always controlled by others. But go ahead. Try.

See, and this is exactly my point. Until you stop seeing a race of people as an infestation, there's no way you should be trusted with weaponry of any sort. Would you give a gun to a blind man?

As for your question of 'what is Palastine'? It's a region of the Middle East currently colonized by European powers with questionable, outdated historical claims to the area but a definite White Man's Burden complex. Pretty simple question, in my opinion.

Still sleepy, TAUSAMI? Israel is majority Sephardi, who in no way can be called "White". The Europeans only controlled "Palestine" for about 25 years in modern history. My point is that YOU cannot answer a simple question, what is "Palestine", because "Palestine" doesn't, and never has, existed.

You know, and all this BS about "genocide" is precisely that, bullshit. Hitler killed 11 million persons, 6 million of them Jews, in 12 years. From 1967 to 2015, 48 years, the so-called "Palestinian" population has multiplied by FOUR (4) times! If Israel is trying to commit genocide, then Jesus effing Christ, they suck at it! Trust me, if Israel truly wanted to commit the crime of genocide on those people, they could do so within a week. They are a contained population, that can't get out of where they are at. Fire bomb them for a week, and there would be NOTHING left. I am not advocating that. I am just saying it would be very easy to do. I'm not into batshit crazy fucked up crap like that. Deportation is sufficient for me. But you can't say that Israel is guilty of genocide when the fucking population has multiplied by 4 times!

[garygreen]

bunch of idiot words not about proliferation

don't you have your own thread dedicated to acting like a cunt?  why do you have to turn every thread you post in into yet another cunty diatribe against the people you hate.

WE GET IT.  YOU DON'T LIKE ARABS.  NO ONE GIVES A SHIT, AND WE ALL THINK YOU'RE A MISERABLE CUNT.