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Re: Obama, Clinton, and Biden Committed Treason
« Reply #60 on: October 16, 2020, 02:36:24 PM »
It seems like Parrot did not have access to Bin Laden but knew a smuggler who did, T2. I see nothing that indicates how he would be aware of a high level plot to fake and cover up the death of Bin Laden. His contact in the CIA had trouble getting his letters delivered, why would he have knowledge of this higher level operation? As I’ve said before this is extremely unconvincing without corroborating evidence.

The last minute of the video trailer I posted has statements  that Parrot had the ability to go in and sit with Osama Bin Laden at will and had met him five or six times. So you are incorrect. It's the premise of the documentary.

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You keep ignoring that a member of the Seal team that killed Bin Laden is NOT DEAD as the conspiracy theory claims.

Why won't you address this?  You not only keep avoiding commenting on it, but delete any reference to it whenever you reply.

Many members of the Seal Team 6 are dead. This individual was not mentioned by Parrot at all

None of the members who were on the mission to kill Bin Laden are dead.  The guy who actually shot him is being very public in showing that he is alive and well.  He has confirmed they are ALL alive.

All you have is this wacko Parrot guy saying a bunch of unsubstantiated nonsense.  Parrot says this, Parrot says that.  I'm going to believe one of the US Navy Seal team members who was on the mission over some crazy falcon trainer from Saudi Arabia. 

Trump knows the truth, it's why when pressed yesterday at the town hall he refused to back up this story and just weakly said he was only re-tweeting.  He knows it's bull and all he can do is re-tweet and then deny he believes it.  You think if Trump had ANY proof he wouldn't be blasting it out on Fox News?  He has nothing more than you do, the rantings of a crazy falcon trainer claiming to be some kind of deep cover CIA plant nonsense.

It's PizzaGate all over again.  Right wing conspiracy theorists never learn.


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« Reply #61 on: October 16, 2020, 02:51:26 PM »
None of the members who were on the mission to kill Bin Laden are dead.  The guy who actually shot him is being very public in showing that he is alive and well.  He has confirmed they are ALL alive.

A lot of Seal Team 6 did die. It was the single largest loss of life in the history of the US Navy Seals. Parrot references Extortion 17 in the documents he provided.

Even the person who wrote the book on it expresses doubts with the official story.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Call_Sign_Extortion_17

The crash, said to have been caused by a Rocket-propelled grenade fired by Taliban forces in the Tangi Valley of Wardak Province, when the helicopter was at approximately 100–150 feet off the ground just before to landing, was the largest loss-of-life by U.S. in the Afghan War.[6] The Chinook was shot down in the early morning hours of August 6, 2011, at approximately 0239 AM local time, and was the largest single loss of American life in the history of the U.S. Navy SEALs.[7]

The book is written based largely upon a review of the official, non-classified military record of the crash, which was mysteriously leaked to several family members in October 2011, one month after the official military investigation was closed. Brown believes that the SEAL team may have been sacrificed, either through extreme gross negligence in the mission-planning or for other reasons, and has stated in interviews that the military is covering up key facts germane to the case, including the identities of seven Afghans who slipped on the helicopter without authority, and the true status of the helicopter's black box, which has been the subject of conflicting reports by the military.[8]
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« Reply #62 on: October 16, 2020, 02:53:51 PM »
It seems like Parrot did not have access to Bin Laden but knew a smuggler who did, T2. I see nothing that indicates how he would be aware of a high level plot to fake and cover up the death of Bin Laden. His contact in the CIA had trouble getting his letters delivered, why would he have knowledge of this higher level operation? As I’ve said before this is extremely unconvincing without corroborating evidence.

The last minute of the video trailer I posted has statements  that Parrot had the ability to go in and sit with Osama Bin Laden at will and had met him five or six times. It's the premise of the documentary.

Is it true that he could do that?  One person said he "bumped in to him" which doesn't imply access, another said they met 5 or 6 times, but doesn't indicate what the context was or his relationship was.  The last says "apparently he could meet him at will".  That sounds like an outsider assessment, maybe it's true, maybe it's an assumption.  Parrot didn't know Osama's location otherwise, they wouldn't need to go through the obtuse path to locating him that they did, by using the falcon tracker frequency provided by T2.  Granting all of this, which I am not doing, it still doesn't tell us how he would have any idea about the details of an Obama administration plot to kill and cover up Seal Team 6 and fake Osama's death.

Aaaaaand we still have a living member of Seal Team 6, who is also claiming the other members are alive, and who shot Bin Laden, which just flies in the face of the conspiracy.  You will need to disqualify his claims with something more than "that's just what someone who is conspiring would say".  If there is more evidence, as the twitter rando said, then this will be cleared up shortly.

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You keep ignoring that a member of the Seal team that killed Bin Laden is NOT DEAD as the conspiracy theory claims.

Why won't you address this?  You not only keep avoiding commenting on it, but delete any reference to it whenever you reply.

Many members of the Seal Team 6 are dead, and that is well known. This individual was not discussed at all.
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« Reply #63 on: October 16, 2020, 03:05:16 PM »
None of the members who were on the mission to kill Bin Laden are dead.  The guy who actually shot him is being very public in showing that he is alive and well.  He has confirmed they are ALL alive.

Incorrect. A lot of Seal Team 6 did die. It was the largest loss of life in the history of the US Navy Seals, so you dead wrong that no one died.

Even the person who wrote the book on it expresses doubts with the official story.

Was the entirety of seal team 6 on the mission to kill Osama Bin Laden?  Seal Team 6 is comprised of over 1,300 military personnel and 400 civilian personnel. There were approx. 24 Seals on the raid, and another 55 supporting along with 1 dog.  Have you bothered to check the overlap of Seals on the raid and in the Chinook that was shot down 3 months later?  Indeed, the Seals in the Chinook were from a completely different squadron in Seal Team 6.
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« Reply #64 on: October 16, 2020, 03:10:41 PM »
None of the members who were on the mission to kill Bin Laden are dead.  The guy who actually shot him is being very public in showing that he is alive and well.  He has confirmed they are ALL alive.

A lot of Seal Team 6 did die. It was the single largest loss of life in the history of the US Navy Seals. Parrot references Extortion 17 in the documents he provided.

And you are again avoiding the fact that none of the people on the Bin Laden raid died in that attack. 

You have no proof or evidence that anyone on the Bin Laden raid was on that helicopter.  And evidence DIRECT from one of the people on it that they were NOT.

All you have is some falcon trainer guy claiming a bunch of stuff, and the ACTUAL PEOPLE he is saying are dead alive and well and posting and doing interviews.

To sum up, again: None of the Seal team that was on the Bin Laden raid died. They are all still alive. This conspiracy is based on LIES.

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« Reply #65 on: October 16, 2020, 03:15:54 PM »
None of the members who were on the mission to kill Bin Laden are dead.  The guy who actually shot him is being very public in showing that he is alive and well.  He has confirmed they are ALL alive.

A lot of Seal Team 6 did die. It was the single largest loss of life in the history of the US Navy Seals. Parrot references Extortion 17 in the documents he provided.

And you are again avoiding the fact that none of the people on the Bin Laden raid died in that attack. 

You have no proof or evidence that anyone on the Bin Laden raid was on that helicopter.  And evidence DIRECT from one of the people on it that they were NOT.

Dead wrong.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Afghanistan_Boeing_Chinook_shootdown

For years after the downing of Extortion 17, there were many theories about a possible government cover-up. The official statement from US Central Command states that a Taliban fighter scored a lucky shot with a rocket propelled grenade on the CH-47 Chinook helicopter. It was reported that the Taliban fighters had no information of the helicopter's flight path and that they had been in the right place at the right time. A Department of Defense official asserted that there were no leaks from the Afghans.[citation needed] Doubts about this story were raised by families and other concerned citizens despite the fact that the US Navy SEAL team aboard Extortion 17 had been a different platoon than had carried out the raid that killed Osama bin Laden three months earlier. The theories suggest that there had been leaked information from Afghan forces to the Taliban about the mission, allowing the Taliban to plan and carry out the strike against Extortion 17.[21]
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« Reply #66 on: October 16, 2020, 03:21:35 PM »
None of the members who were on the mission to kill Bin Laden are dead.  The guy who actually shot him is being very public in showing that he is alive and well.  He has confirmed they are ALL alive.

A lot of Seal Team 6 did die. It was the single largest loss of life in the history of the US Navy Seals. Parrot references Extortion 17 in the documents he provided.

And you are again avoiding the fact that none of the people on the Bin Laden raid died in that attack. 

You have no proof or evidence that anyone on the Bin Laden raid was on that helicopter.  And evidence DIRECT from one of the people on it that they were NOT.

Dead wrong.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Afghanistan_Boeing_Chinook_shootdown

For years after the downing of Extortion 17, there were many theories about a possible government cover-up. The official statement from US Central Command states that a Taliban fighter scored a lucky shot with a rocket propelled grenade on the CH-47 Chinook helicopter. It was reported that the Taliban fighters had no information of the helicopter's flight path and that they had been in the right place at the right time. A Department of Defense official asserted that there were no leaks from the Afghans.[citation needed] Doubts about this story were raised by families and other concerned citizens despite the fact that the US Navy SEAL team aboard Extortion 17 had been a different platoon than had carried out the raid that killed Osama bin Laden three months earlier. The theories suggest that there had been leaked information from Afghan forces to the Taliban about the mission, allowing the Taliban to plan and carry out the strike against Extortion 17.[21]

That backs up what I was saying. 

The Seal team on that helicopter were NOT the same team members that killed Bin Laden.  They are still alive.  That is the official word.  It's right there in your quote.  So your conspiracy theory has a massive hole blown in it, from your own source.

despite the fact that the US Navy SEAL team aboard Extortion 17 had been a different platoon than had carried out the raid that killed Osama bin Laden

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« Reply #67 on: October 16, 2020, 03:27:35 PM »
No. This has nothing to do with this or that platoon name. The government cover-up claims about the Osama Seals were made despite the platoon name. History.com says that the members on board Extraction 17 were part of the Gold Squadron of DEVGRU that did the Osama raid.

https://www.history.com/news/the-costliest-day-in-seal-team-six-history

The Costliest Day in SEAL Team Six History

"On August 6, 2011, insurgents shot down a Chinook transport helicopter in Afghanistan, killing all 38 people on board, including 15 Navy SEALS from Team Six’s Gold Squadron.

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Of the 30 Americans killed, 22 were Navy personnel, and 17 were SEALs. These included two bomb specialists and 15 operators in the Gold Squadron of DEVGRU, or Team Six, the highly classified unit that conducted the raid that killed Al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden at his compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan the previous May."
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« Reply #68 on: October 16, 2020, 03:41:00 PM »
No. This has nothing to do with this or that platoon. The conspiracy about the Osama Seals were made despite the platoon name. History.com says that the members on board Extraction 17 were part of the DEVGRU that did the Osama raid.

https://www.history.com/news/the-costliest-day-in-seal-team-six-history

The Costliest Day in SEAL Team Six History

"On August 6, 2011, insurgents shot down a Chinook transport helicopter in Afghanistan, killing all 38 people on board, including 15 Navy SEALS from Team Six’s Gold Squadron.

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Of the 30 Americans killed, 22 were Navy personnel, and 17 were SEALs. These included two bomb specialists and 15 operators in the Gold Squadron of DEVGRU, or Team Six, the highly classified unit that conducted the raid that killed Al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden at his compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan the previous May."

It's been pointed out to you before that the Seal teams are quite large.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SEAL_Team_Six

According to the GAO report on special operations forces, in the fiscal year of 2014, DEVGRU had a total of 1,787 authorized positions, of which 1,342 are military and 445 are civilian

The Seal members on board the downed helicopter were NOT THE SAME people that were on the Bin Laden raid.  This is confirmed by one of the still living members, and he has confirmed the rest are alive too.

They are all still alive. What is dead is this conspiracy theory. How could Obama/Hillary/Biden/Bush have murdered them if they are not dead?

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« Reply #69 on: October 16, 2020, 03:43:28 PM »
No. This has nothing to do with this or that platoon name. The government cover-up claims about the Osama Seals were made despite the platoon name. History.com says that the members on board Extraction 17 were part of the DEVGRU that did the Osama raid.

https://www.history.com/news/the-costliest-day-in-seal-team-six-history

The Costliest Day in SEAL Team Six History

"On August 6, 2011, insurgents shot down a Chinook transport helicopter in Afghanistan, killing all 38 people on board, including 15 Navy SEALS from Team Six’s Gold Squadron.

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Of the 30 Americans killed, 22 were Navy personnel, and 17 were SEALs. These included two bomb specialists and 15 operators in the Gold Squadron of DEVGRU, or Team Six, the highly classified unit that conducted the raid that killed Al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden at his compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan the previous May."

There are several squadrons that comprise DEVGRU. They are delineated by colours. Red Squadron carrier out Operation Neptune Spear, not Gold Squadron.  There is no evidence a member of Operation Neptune Spear was killed in that crash.
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« Reply #70 on: October 16, 2020, 03:56:46 PM »
It seems like Parrot did not have access to Bin Laden but knew a smuggler who did, T2. I see nothing that indicates how he would be aware of a high level plot to fake and cover up the death of Bin Laden. His contact in the CIA had trouble getting his letters delivered, why would he have knowledge of this higher level operation? As I’ve said before this is extremely unconvincing without corroborating evidence.

The last minute of the video trailer I posted has statements  that Parrot had the ability to go in and sit with Osama Bin Laden at will and had met him five or six times. It's the premise of the documentary.

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You keep ignoring that a member of the Seal team that killed Bin Laden is NOT DEAD as the conspiracy theory claims.

Why won't you address this?  You not only keep avoiding commenting on it, but delete any reference to it whenever you reply.

Many members of the Seal Team 6 are dead, and that is well known. This individual was not discussed at all.

So what you're saying is that this person could have blown this conspiracy wide open at any point in the last... 15 years?  But chose the month before the election to do so?
How curious.  At best that makes him a coward.  At worse: a traitor.
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« Reply #71 on: October 16, 2020, 04:09:07 PM »
No. This has nothing to do with this or that platoon name. The government cover-up claims about the Osama Seals were made despite the platoon name. History.com says that the members on board Extraction 17 were part of the DEVGRU that did the Osama raid.

https://www.history.com/news/the-costliest-day-in-seal-team-six-history

The Costliest Day in SEAL Team Six History

"On August 6, 2011, insurgents shot down a Chinook transport helicopter in Afghanistan, killing all 38 people on board, including 15 Navy SEALS from Team Six’s Gold Squadron.

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Of the 30 Americans killed, 22 were Navy personnel, and 17 were SEALs. These included two bomb specialists and 15 operators in the Gold Squadron of DEVGRU, or Team Six, the highly classified unit that conducted the raid that killed Al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden at his compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan the previous May."

There are several squadrons that comprise DEVGRU. They are delineated by colours. Red Squadron carrier out Operation Neptune Spear, not Gold Squadron.  There is no evidence a member of Operation Neptune Spear was killed in that crash.

The government doesn't list out names of Seal Team Six members, so you wouldn't know that no one involved with Osama was killed in the crash.

The fact is that the Gold Squadron of DEVGRU of Seal Team Six are credited as the team that conducted the Bin Laden Raid.

Members of that team were on Extortion 17

Therefore it is false to say that no members of the team that conducted the Osama raid died.

'Operation Neptune Spear' refers to an operation name, not a team name.
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« Reply #72 on: October 16, 2020, 04:19:44 PM »
No. This has nothing to do with this or that platoon name. The government cover-up claims about the Osama Seals were made despite the platoon name. History.com says that the members on board Extraction 17 were part of the DEVGRU that did the Osama raid.

https://www.history.com/news/the-costliest-day-in-seal-team-six-history

The Costliest Day in SEAL Team Six History

"On August 6, 2011, insurgents shot down a Chinook transport helicopter in Afghanistan, killing all 38 people on board, including 15 Navy SEALS from Team Six’s Gold Squadron.

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Of the 30 Americans killed, 22 were Navy personnel, and 17 were SEALs. These included two bomb specialists and 15 operators in the Gold Squadron of DEVGRU, or Team Six, the highly classified unit that conducted the raid that killed Al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden at his compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan the previous May."

There are several squadrons that comprise DEVGRU. They are delineated by colours. Red Squadron carrier out Operation Neptune Spear, not Gold Squadron.  There is no evidence a member of Operation Neptune Spear was killed in that crash.

The government doesn't list out names of Seal Team Six members, so you wouldn't know that no one involved with Osama was killed in the crash.

The fact is that the Gold Squadron of DEVGRU of Seal Team Six are credited as the team that conducted the Bin Laden Raid.

Members of that team were on Extortion 17

Therefore it is false to say that no members of the team that conducted the Osama raid died.

'Operation Neptune Spear' refers to an operation name, not a team name.

No, Gold Squadron are not credited, Red Squadron is.  It is false to say they are dead when they were not even the same squadron and members of the team are still alive and talking.

You are seriously desperate for this to be true. Where is your source that it was Gold Squadron?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Osama_bin_Laden

McRaven hand-picked a team drawing from the most experienced and senior operators from Red Squadron, one of four that make up DEVGRU. Red Squadron was coming home from Afghanistan and could be redirected without attracting attention. The team had language skills and experience with cross-border operations into Pakistan. Almost all the Red Squadron operators had ten or more deployments to Afghanistan.

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« Reply #73 on: October 16, 2020, 04:37:34 PM »
No. This has nothing to do with this or that platoon name. The government cover-up claims about the Osama Seals were made despite the platoon name. History.com says that the members on board Extraction 17 were part of the DEVGRU that did the Osama raid.

https://www.history.com/news/the-costliest-day-in-seal-team-six-history

The Costliest Day in SEAL Team Six History

"On August 6, 2011, insurgents shot down a Chinook transport helicopter in Afghanistan, killing all 38 people on board, including 15 Navy SEALS from Team Six’s Gold Squadron.

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Of the 30 Americans killed, 22 were Navy personnel, and 17 were SEALs. These included two bomb specialists and 15 operators in the Gold Squadron of DEVGRU, or Team Six, the highly classified unit that conducted the raid that killed Al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden at his compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan the previous May."

There are several squadrons that comprise DEVGRU. They are delineated by colours. Red Squadron carrier out Operation Neptune Spear, not Gold Squadron.  There is no evidence a member of Operation Neptune Spear was killed in that crash.

The government doesn't list out names of Seal Team Six members, so you wouldn't know that no one involved with Osama was killed in the crash.

The fact is that the Gold Squadron of DEVGRU of Seal Team Six are credited as the team that conducted the Bin Laden Raid.

Members of that team were on Extortion 17

Therefore it is false to say that no members of the team that conducted the Osama raid died.

'Operation Neptune Spear' refers to an operation name, not a team name.

No, Gold Squadron are not credited, Red Squadron is.  It is false to say they are dead when they were not even the same squadron and members of the team are still alive and talking.

You are seriously desperate for this to be true. Where is your source that it was Gold Squadron?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Osama_bin_Laden

McRaven hand-picked a team drawing from the most experienced and senior operators from Red Squadron, one of four that make up DEVGRU. Red Squadron was coming home from Afghanistan and could be redirected without attracting attention. The team had language skills and experience with cross-border operations into Pakistan. Almost all the Red Squadron operators had ten or more deployments to Afghanistan.

Your quote just says that they hand picked some team members from the Red Squadron. Why would they need to hand pick members from Red Squadron to participate if it was Red Squadron that did it?

The whole operation likely involved multiple teams on some way, not just one, hence selecting from Red Team.
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« Reply #74 on: October 16, 2020, 04:46:41 PM »
No. This has nothing to do with this or that platoon name. The government cover-up claims about the Osama Seals were made despite the platoon name. History.com says that the members on board Extraction 17 were part of the DEVGRU that did the Osama raid.

https://www.history.com/news/the-costliest-day-in-seal-team-six-history

The Costliest Day in SEAL Team Six History

"On August 6, 2011, insurgents shot down a Chinook transport helicopter in Afghanistan, killing all 38 people on board, including 15 Navy SEALS from Team Six’s Gold Squadron.

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Of the 30 Americans killed, 22 were Navy personnel, and 17 were SEALs. These included two bomb specialists and 15 operators in the Gold Squadron of DEVGRU, or Team Six, the highly classified unit that conducted the raid that killed Al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden at his compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan the previous May."

There are several squadrons that comprise DEVGRU. They are delineated by colours. Red Squadron carrier out Operation Neptune Spear, not Gold Squadron.  There is no evidence a member of Operation Neptune Spear was killed in that crash.

The government doesn't list out names of Seal Team Six members, so you wouldn't know that no one involved with Osama was killed in the crash.

The fact is that the Gold Squadron of DEVGRU of Seal Team Six are credited as the team that conducted the Bin Laden Raid.

Members of that team were on Extortion 17

Therefore it is false to say that no members of the team that conducted the Osama raid died.

'Operation Neptune Spear' refers to an operation name, not a team name.

No, Gold Squadron are not credited, Red Squadron is.  It is false to say they are dead when they were not even the same squadron and members of the team are still alive and talking.

You are seriously desperate for this to be true. Where is your source that it was Gold Squadron?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Osama_bin_Laden

McRaven hand-picked a team drawing from the most experienced and senior operators from Red Squadron, one of four that make up DEVGRU. Red Squadron was coming home from Afghanistan and could be redirected without attracting attention. The team had language skills and experience with cross-border operations into Pakistan. Almost all the Red Squadron operators had ten or more deployments to Afghanistan.

Your quote just says that they hand picked some team members from the Red Squadron. Why would they need to hand pick members from Red Squadron to participate if it was Red Squadron that did it?

The whole operation likely involved multiple teams on some way, not just one, hence selecting from Red Team.

Or or...
Hear me out.
They didn't want a whole squad on the mission.  How many are in a squad?
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« Reply #75 on: October 16, 2020, 04:48:44 PM »
Because Red Squadron is larger than the team that carried out the operation, so you would necessarily have to pick who from that Squadron would be involved. It was an important operation, obviously, so you would want to hand pick them. Gold Squadron is not indicated in the operation so you saying it’s likely that more than one squadron was involved is baseless speculation. 
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« Reply #76 on: October 16, 2020, 04:51:31 PM »
Or or...
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They didn't want a whole squad on the mission.  How many are in a squad?

There are 7 squadrons and ~1600 military personnel in Seal Team 6. So 200-ish per squadron and 79 took part in Operation Neptune Spear.
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« Reply #77 on: October 16, 2020, 04:51:50 PM »
No, Gold Squadron are not credited, Red Squadron is.  It is false to say they are dead when they were not even the same squadron and members of the team are still alive and talking.

You are seriously desperate for this to be true. Where is your source that it was Gold Squadron?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Osama_bin_Laden

McRaven hand-picked a team drawing from the most experienced and senior operators from Red Squadron, one of four that make up DEVGRU. Red Squadron was coming home from Afghanistan and could be redirected without attracting attention. The team had language skills and experience with cross-border operations into Pakistan. Almost all the Red Squadron operators had ten or more deployments to Afghanistan.

Your quote just says that they hand picked some team members from the Red Squadron. Why would they need to hand pick members from Red Squadron to participate if it was Red Squadron that did it?

The whole operation likely involved multiple teams on some way, not just one, hence selecting from Red Team.

Why would they need to pick 15 members instead of taking one or two hundred team members?  Are you serious?  How else do you expect them to pick members of a dangerous and vital mission, randomly?

You have zero evidence other teams (such as Gold) were involved.  Red is not Gold.

All the documentation states it was Red team that killed Bin Laden.  Gold team was on the helicopter that was shut down.

Different teams.

Plus one of those team members is alive and talking and saying they know personally that the rest of the team is still alive.

This conspiracy theory is founded on lies.  Just like PizzaGate, and will go down in history as another crazy, desperate attempt to smear democrats by the far-right.

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Re: Obama, Clinton, and Biden Committed Treason
« Reply #78 on: October 16, 2020, 05:25:21 PM »
Why would they need to pick 15 members instead of taking one or two hundred team members?  Are you serious?  How else do you expect them to pick members of a dangerous and vital mission, randomly?

You don't know how the teams were involved in this, or any of the names involved. Don't pretend that you do.

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Plus one of those team members is alive and talking and saying they know personally that the rest of the team is still alive.

There are a number of article stating that he lied about Osama.

https://www.ibtimes.com/bin-laden-shooter-robert-oneill-misstated-facts-falsely-took-sole-credit-report-1721137

Bin Laden Shooter Robert O’Neill Misstated Facts, Falsely Took Sole Credit: Report

Former special-operations officials accused Robert O’Neill, the one-time U.S. Navy SEAL who claimed to have shot dead Osama bin Laden, of misstating facts, and they criticized him for taking sole credit in the killing of the world’s then-most wanted man, the Daily Beast reported. The accusations came as O’Neill’s claim contradicted the description of the operation in a book by Matt Bissonnette, an ex-member of SEAL Team Six who took part in the raid against bin Laden.

While O’Neill claimed he fired two shots at bin Laden’s head at the al Qaeda leader’s compound in Pakistan’s Abbottabad, the SEAL’s former colleagues -- one of whom was within feet of O’Neill during the operation -- denied his claim. They said it was a still-unidentified man who fired the shot that killed bin Laden, who founded the group responsible for the terrorist attacks on America on Sept. 11, 2001, the Daily Beast reported.

One of the former special-ops officials also said O’Neill did not identify himself as the shooter at the “hot wash” debriefing after the attack conducted by senior officials. O’Neill later claimed to be bin Laden’s shooter to members of the public while drinking at some bars frequented by SEALs in Virginia Beach, Va., after he returned from his tour of duty. O’Neill’s claim led to his superiors to counsel him over discussing a classified operation, the Daily Beast reported.

O’Neill said in at least two separate interviews -- one published by the Washington Post Thursday and another published by Esquire in 2013 -- that the operation’s “point man” fired at bin Laden when the al Qaeda leader peeked through his bedroom door, but missed. O’Neill said he then fired, killing bin Laden. After the appearance of the Esquire article, Peter Bergen, a chronicler of bin Laden who was able to tour his compound after the raid, interviewed an unidentified SEAL Team Six member who said the account was “complete BS,” the Daily Beast reported.


Two sources stating that this person is giving false statements.

Another article: https://www.reuters.com/article/binladen-seals/who-shot-bin-laden-former-u-s-navy-seals-make-rival-claims-idINKBN0IQ2RE20141106

The Washington Post published a story on Thursday quoting Rob O’Neill, a former SEAL, as claiming to have fired the fatal shot that hit bin Laden in the forehead after O’Neill stormed into a room in bin Laden’s house in Abbottabad.

The claim by O’Neill, who travels the country giving motivational speeches, was countered by a source close to another SEAL team member.

The source, speaking on condition of anonymity, said the team member told him the fatal shot was fired by one of two other men who entered the room before O’Neill.

The Post said O’Neill acknowledged shots were fired at bin Laden by at least two other Seal team members, including Matt Bissonnette, a former Seal who wrote a 2012 book about the raid entitled “No Easy Day.”

The book did not identify the person who shot bin Laden.

NBC News quoted Bissonnette on Thursday as saying: “Two different people telling two different stories for two different reasons ... Whatever he (O’Neill) says, he says. I don’t want to touch that.”

Last year, after Esquire Magazine published an interview with an anonymous SEAL member, now widely reported to have been O’Neill, who claimed to have shot bin Laden, other media outlets questioned the account.



So we have sources stating that this guy Robert O’Neill did not make the kill shot, entered the room later, and is full of lies. Therefore he wouldn't be credible enough to say whether it was a body double or not.
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Re: Obama, Clinton, and Biden Committed Treason
« Reply #79 on: October 16, 2020, 05:27:35 PM »
Why would they need to pick 15 members instead of taking one or two hundred team members?  Are you serious?  How else do you expect them to pick members of a dangerous and vital mission, randomly?

You don't know how the teams involved in this consisted, or any of the names involved. Don't pretend that you do.

But somehow you do.  Otherwise you couldn't claim they were all killed
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