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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: September 14, 2017, 09:41:38 PM »
But exactly what problems are you referring to?  That there aren't alot of unskilled labor jobs in the EU?
That jobs which definitely shouldn't require a Master's degree now require one, as a direct result of overly-subsidised education.

How do you even know that's happening?  Because I haven't seen it and so far you haven't shown anything to prove that it exists.  Or even hint that it exists.  Hell, is there even a graduate level course in Secretarial?  Cause I did a quick search and found nothing higher than a 2 year degree and that's for jobs like Executive offices, medical offices, and legal offices.  All of which require specialized knowledge. 

And even if it does, I fail to see the problem.  If higher education is free, why wouldn't you take it anyway?  If I were an employer I'd look at someone's lack of a higher education, which is free, as being a sign that they're lazy, undisciplined, or have difficulty in learning.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: September 14, 2017, 06:28:02 PM »
Congratulations, Dave, you have successfully found counter-examples. That does very little to disrupt the trend that Europe has been struggling for a few decades now. As I said: are you expecting me to just tell the EU to stop having its problems because you feel they don't exist? It won't work.
It's more than you've done.

But exactly what problems are you referring to?  That there aren't alot of unskilled labor jobs in the EU?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: September 14, 2017, 12:59:46 PM »
I'm sorry, I guess I missed the cited sources for increased educational requirements for identical jobs.
You seem to think that a description of a problem and "NUH UH" is "the same level of information". A new low for you, buddy.
Fine, I'll bring it up to your level.

"In many countries, free higher education has helped bring about a much greater standard of living in the population without distorting educational requirements."

Also, in the United States, a country where you DON'T get free higher education, a High School Diploma still carries the same weight job wise as it did before yet jobs offered are increasingly requiring higher education.  This is not due to some shift in the educational status or even it's availability but rather the shift in manufacturing and low skill jobs being taken by machines or outsourced overseas.  Those nations where Free Education exists had that occur prior as they didn't have a high manufacturing sector, and solved it by providing educational opportunities to all it's citizens.

To summarize:
Free Higher Education didn't cause jobs to require degrees.  Jobs that require degrees caused Free Higher Education.

Also, I'd love to see an example of a job that previously didn't require a higher educational degree that now does.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: September 14, 2017, 12:19:24 PM »
I gave exactly the same amount of information you did.
Not at all.
I'm sorry, I guess I missed the cited sources for increased educational requirements for identical jobs.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: September 14, 2017, 12:11:32 PM »
Incorrect.  But good try.
Yeah, with a powerful rebuttal like that, I guess I'll go and tell most European countries to get over their problems. After all, Lord Dave reckons they don't exist.

I gave exactly the same amount of information you did.  Why should I work harder than you?




In other news:

Trump is now Pro-DACA.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/908276308265795585
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Does anybody really want to throw out good, educated and accomplished young people who have jobs, some serving in the military? Really!.....

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: September 14, 2017, 11:02:38 AM »
Maybe government-paid higher education is a good idea after all.
It's not, and many countries have found out the hard way so you don't have to. All that happens is most jobs that previously required a high school education now require a Master's degree. Those who can't attain one, no matter the reason, end up getting shoehorned into even worse jobs than before.
Incorrect.  But good try.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: September 14, 2017, 04:47:24 AM »
The problem with manufacturing sector workers isn't that they're being ignored, its thst they wwnt something they can't have: High paying, low skilled jobs.


They ask: Why can't I get a job, paying $35,000/year with health benfits on my high school diploma?
And the answer is: Because non-American labor  and automation is cheaper.
And if we fix that so it bcomes cost effective, the cost of goods will jump to accomodate.  So they'll get a job, but everyone else who has a job will suddenly have a lower standard of living because "Made in America" is expensive.


But god forbid you tell them that.  Hell, that group is usually all about taking care of yourself yet whines when they suddenly realize that their 20 years operating a soda can making machine is worthless.  The only way to solve that is to give them the chsnce to go to school but most don't want to.  They want it back the way it was.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: September 13, 2017, 08:29:13 AM »
2. Trump literally told people what they wanted to hear in words they could understand.

I'm sorry, but I was just looking back over the thread and I really don't think I can let this one go.

You do realize you literally described every successful politician ever here, right Dave?

Yes but in fairness, he did it with anger, yelling, and a 5th grade vocabulary.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: September 12, 2017, 10:05:29 PM »
Maybe she's trying to pull a Trump?  Bitch about the media like it's the devil?

But I can't say I blame her for not being over it.  I mean, if YOU lost to a guy who has literally no plan, no government experience, no 'having to deal with shareholders' experience, and basically just spews angry hateful words every sentence... would you really be able to let it go?

I'm still shocked he won and it's September.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: September 12, 2017, 07:57:28 PM »
I sure as hell wouldn't blame the media.
Maybe memes but even that's not the real reason.  The REAL reason is two fold.

1. She's got a hell of a lot of baggage.
2. Trump literally told people what they wanted to hear in words they could understand.


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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Republican Health Care Bill
« on: September 10, 2017, 02:57:12 PM »
That's the thing about volume that many seem to miss.  The unit cost of production goes down when you increase volume.  This means that overall profit margins increase.  It's the primary motivating force behind the standardization of almost all manufacturing methods.  From cars to tv's to medications.  Highest volume possible for the lowest amount of minimally skilled people you can squeak by with.  It's the Henry Ford model and it built industrialized America, then abandoned it for China and India because human costs are lower and environmental protections are almost nonexistent.New factories are not needed for step production increases and saline can produced on demand on site with minimal equipment.  With nothing more than a high school chemistry set, oven, glass IV bottle, basic surgical tubing and needles you could create sterilized IV saline solutions in a home.  I wouldn't recommend it though.

Sure, to a point.  Machines cost money.  Training costs money.  Maintenance equipment, spare parts, and supplies all cost money.  And, of course, labor.  If you can have 3 lines, all using the same machines, producing the same product, without having to swap out production for another product (that does happen alot) then you can cut costs alot.  Make it as automated as possible so you need less skilled workers (or less workers at all) and you're great.  And of course, the more product you can produce without error and without increasing labor, machines, or what-not then you're gonna make more money. 

BUT there is a limit.  Eventually you get to the point where you can't make more of a product without more equipment and people. 

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You also are missing the point of collective bargaining and its impact on market forces.  Today, some large hospital networks have the bargaining power in the provider/insurance market.  This means that they have the ability to demand higher payments which ultimately come from the patients.  No difference in service compared to their smaller cousins, just better bargaining position.  In a single payer system, the insurer has the power in that bargaining process which means that hospitals can bill any amount they want to the insurance company, they just won't get it.  In a single payer system, there are no uninsured so there is no way to over bill patients and there are no uncovered losses to make up either.  As a whole, this places market pressure on the providers to become more efficient in delivering healthcare services.  You can charge $20 to hook up an IV or $2 million but you'll receive whatever payment the single insurance company is willing to pay and every one of your patients is covered by that insurance company.  Now it's on you as the service provider to figure out exactly what your unit service costs are determine the best way to provide that service within an acceptable profit margin.  That in turn places market pressure on pharmaceutical companies to keep manufacturing costs in check.
Sure.  If you can guarantee supply, then they can happily sell it cheaper as they're ensured to not have product sitting in a warehouse doing nothing.  But if everyone buys your product anyway, then your power isn't very much.

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It's worth noting that during this supposed evaluation of how to provide saline in 2015, Baxter's financial performance was so good that it had a stock split.  It's fun for corporations in America to cry poor me to the press when they're posting record breaking profits.  It's all a theater to mask full on corporate greed.  That FDA labelling of saline as a national shortage was, I'm relatively sure, paid for in lobbying funds.  It's just a polite way to say bribes to federal officials.

Maybe.
We can only hope they figure it out.  Though if it's so cheap and easy to make, why don't you do it?  Start a business.  Supply saline solution.  Make money.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: September 10, 2017, 10:35:14 AM »
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/349956-schumer-i-started-planning-trump-deal-in-august

I just wanna quote this bit:

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Schumer also detailed the phone call he received from Trump after the deal, praising the positive media coverage of their meeting.“I got a call early this morning,” Schumer recalled. “He said, ‘This was so great!’ Here’s what he said: ‘Do you watch Fox News?’ I said, ‘Not really.’ ‘They’re praising you!’ Meaning me. But he said, ‘And your stations’ — I guess meaning MSNBC and CNN — ‘are praising me! This is great!’”
Trump seemed surprised to learn that "fake news" will praise him if he sides with Democrats and seems to love it.


Also, is it me or is Trump shitposting on twitter less than usual?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Republican Health Care Bill
« on: September 10, 2017, 10:22:23 AM »
http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-baxter-saline-investigation-0415-biz-20170414-story.html

Artificial shortage to increase profit margins and potential violations of Federal antitrust laws.  It's cheap to make, easy to transport and can actually be made on site by any hospital with basic compounding equipment.  Creating an artificial shortage allows them to justify a 300% price hike.  There's a revolving door between the FDA and big business that would be less effective with collective bargaining.

Just cause it's published in a magazine doesn't mean it's acceptable at face value.  If you want to believe De Beers, diamonds are a rare and extremely valuable gemstone even though they weren't until De Beers bought up almost all of the mines to control the supply and launched the most successful advertising campaign of modern media.  Fake markets result in fake prices.

Thank you,

CriticalThinker
Even so, it wouldn't be solved with a single payer system.  Only an investigation will actually fix it and that's currently going on.
But it's not impossible that it's a reality.  I mean, if there IS a need for more but it's so cheap that it's not profitable to actually have a new factory, then there would be a shortage, especially given the cheapness of the product.

ex:
1 Bag is sold at $1.
The cost to make 1 bag is $0.50
Profit per bag: $0.50
The total cost of the factory per day to run:
$10,000 (utilities, labor, etc...)
So they need to sell 20,000 bags to break even.

If demand is 30,000 bags a day, then building a new factory would put them at a profit loss of $5,000 a day.

Yes there are ways around this and these are just made up numbers but my point is that they may have looked at the cost of increasing production to meet demand and found that it's just not profitable enough to justify the cost.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Republican Health Care Bill
« on: September 10, 2017, 07:08:10 AM »
You also need to factor in things like supply and demand.
IV saline solution is expensive because alot of companies said "Yeah... let's not sell this cause it's not making enough money" so there is a shortage of those.  Not to mention all the requirements for producing it. (sterilization and such)

Plus medical school.  Alot of these other nations have better student loan programs.  Also, lawsuits.  The USA is lawsuit city.  If a doctor makes a mistake, even if it's minor and not permanent, people have sued.  Some are frivolous and thrown out, others are not.  Either way, an insurance company covers the legal fees.  This is unheard of in other nations.  Also, other nations also subsidize procedures so it helps.

In the end, the problem, when it gets right down to it, is that people are dicks.

There isn't a shortage of saline and current costs are under $1 per unit.  The same mechanism applies to otc meds,  crutches, bandages and anything else that can be unbundled to increase reimbursements.  Unbundled charges are a creative way of transferring costs, nothing more.

Sure lawsuits play a role, but that can't be factored into the cost per procedure because the risk ratios are too complicated to calculate.  That's why we don't have any comprehensive lists for any chronic disease risk factors either.

Perhaps if everyone in the US agreed that we are all in this together and that we are stronger United than divided, we could stop being dicks to each other so much.

Thank you,

CriticalThinker

http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-baxter-saline-investigation-0415-biz-20170414-story.html
http://fortune.com/2015/02/05/theres-a-national-shortage-of-saline/

You were saying?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Republican Health Care Bill
« on: September 09, 2017, 04:15:14 PM »
You also need to factor in things like supply and demand.
IV saline solution is expensive because alot of companies said "Yeah... let's not sell this cause it's not making enough money" so there is a shortage of those.  Not to mention all the requirements for producing it. (sterilization and such)

Plus medical school.  Alot of these other nations have better student loan programs.  Also, lawsuits.  The USA is lawsuit city.  If a doctor makes a mistake, even if it's minor and not permanent, people have sued.  Some are frivolous and thrown out, others are not.  Either way, an insurance company covers the legal fees.  This is unheard of in other nations.  Also, other nations also subsidize procedures so it helps.

In the end, the problem, when it gets right down to it, is that people are dicks.

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Science & Alternative Science / Re: Chemtrails
« on: September 09, 2017, 02:22:00 PM »
Good questions.  Maybe you could source the images cause I doubt the guy talking about it actually took those pictures.
Hell, that could easily be fake pictures for all we know.  Or a mobile chemistry lab.  Or they're transporting chemicals that need constant attention and can't be safely stored.  Or those are pesticides.  Or fire fighting implements.  Or testing air plane crashes with various chemicals onboard.  etc...etc...

Or this:


http://www.snopes.com/trump-tour-chemtrail-plane/

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: September 09, 2017, 10:03:50 AM »
Once again, Trump's administration confirms Obama and the Democrats were right.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/trump-admin-charges-irs-actions-conservatives-49707991

So that's two "OMG this person should be in jail cause they're not Republicans!" Trump has basically let slide.  The first being Hillary Clinton.

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Science & Alternative Science / Re: Chemtrails
« on: September 08, 2017, 05:32:13 PM »
Ever since Trump got in office they have been pretty non existent where I live now. Before it was almost daily.

Right....
Commercial airlines?

And if he did stop such a terrible thing, why isn't he bragging about how Obama was poisoning you?

Sorry but you're either lying or there's another reason and you just don't know it.

Chemtrails have been going on long before Obama. It's actually quite nice to see the blue skies again.

Maybe he was actually able to do some draining of the swamp peoples, while cutting some budget expenditures?

If you didn't see chemtrails, you just aren't a very observant person. Lord knows they were everywhere.


I used to live newe Stewart Airport and Air National Guard base.  I saw contrails often.  Never chemtrails.

Probably because you're not educated enough to search the USPTO for them to know they exist. But TY for being you.


So secret chemicals sprayed from planes to do stuff to the population has a patent?

Dude your ignorance is showing. The process of nana particulates disbursed from aircraft has been around probably longer than you since you're acting no childish. These particulates are causing damage to crops, forests, humans and obviously brains. Good luck and good bowling !
Yes, cloud seeding, spraying pesticides, napalm, agent orange, fire fighting.... But we're talking about chem trails, not methods of spraying chemicals from airplanes.

OPEN book, nano particulates....
Gonna have to give context there.  Cause nano particulates is kinda vague.  Might as well say "nono particles"


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If anyone is close to an expert on vapor trails or contrails, I am. We all watched the movie "Topgun". Well I lived right on top of the nations topgun marine base "Fightertown USA", protecting the west coast of the US. I saw more hotshots and vapor trails than 99% of you. I know the difference.


What are your qualifications?  For being an expert.  I imagine chemistry, meteorology, avionics?


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Science & Alternative Science / Re: Chemtrails
« on: September 08, 2017, 03:05:06 PM »
Ever since Trump got in office they have been pretty non existent where I live now. Before it was almost daily.

Right....
Commercial airlines?

And if he did stop such a terrible thing, why isn't he bragging about how Obama was poisoning you?

Sorry but you're either lying or there's another reason and you just don't know it.

Chemtrails have been going on long before Obama. It's actually quite nice to see the blue skies again.

Maybe he was actually able to do some draining of the swamp peoples, while cutting some budget expenditures?

If you didn't see chemtrails, you just aren't a very observant person. Lord knows they were everywhere.


I used to live newe Stewart Airport and Air National Guard base.  I saw contrails often.  Never chemtrails.

Probably because you're not educated enough to search the USPTO for them to know they exist. But TY for being you.


So secret chemicals sprayed from planes to do stuff to the population has a patent?

Dude your ignorance is showing. The process of nana particulates disbursed from aircraft has been around probably longer than you since you're acting no childish. These particulates are causing damage to crops, forests, humans and obviously brains. Good luck and good bowling !
Yes, cloud seeding, spraying pesticides, napalm, agent orange, fire fighting.... But we're talking about chem trails, not methods of spraying chemicals from airplanes.

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