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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: Saddam's Troll concerns

« on: December 20, 2013, 01:59:20 PM »

If he is being disruptive in a serious thread, give him a bammy whammy. If you personally don't like him or his posting style, deal with it.

I agree. We're still discussing possibilities, but personally I'm pushing for issuing temporary bans of increasing length. That way he gets a fair chance to redeem himself, and he's being treated equally to all other members. There are a few opinions flying around in the top secret thread, but I'm sure we'll reach a conclusion Soon™.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Zetetic Council Election Thread.

« on: December 20, 2013, 01:56:36 PM »

I just don't like being called a liar.

Yes, that goes both ways. But you're right, there's no need to fight. Let's forget this clash happened and work as one to set things up.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Zetetic Council Election Thread.

« on: December 20, 2013, 11:54:34 AM »

Fuck off pp you didn't send me anything. You have never liked me and I think you are just set on making me look bad. Unless you posted as an alt that's a regular user then I never got a pm off you. I try and help everyone out and the fucking admin just insult me.

Actually, I didn't insult you at all until you started this "don't trust pizaaplanet, he's a liar!" schtick. What did you expect? You fucked with the votes, I called you out on it. That's all there would be to it if you didn't make it obvious that you did so deliberately.

Also, "you have never liked me" is not as good an argument as you might think. It's really not.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Zetetic Council Election Thread.

« on: December 20, 2013, 09:21:33 AM »

Also don't trust pizaaplanet, he is full of shit and didn't vote at all and I think he is just trying to shit stir, he has obvious objections to the whole idea anyway. I had 1 vote for secret user. I am happy to quote every single pm I have if there are no objections at all to that.

Errr...

Yes, I did vote. Thanks very much. No, I do not have "obvious objections" to the idea - on the contrary, it's something I've supported from the beginning. You've just cleared my doubts that you are indeed fucking with this election.

I'm not sure what you were trying to accomplish with this, and speculating about it would be giving you more legitimacy that you deserve at this point, but what you did accomplish is deprived yourself of any and all trust I may have had for you. I no longer think you made a mistake. You deliberately manipulated the votes.

I do suggest that somebody makes a new poll when you feel like it to avoid any mistakes at all. Oh apart from people making multiple accounts and making many votes, I had first hand experience in this and it is one reason I suggested we did it this way.

That's trivial to solve. All your "first-hand experience" only shows is that you're completely incapable of running an election. You:

• Missed someone that isn't me
• Apparently deleted my vote for some reason and are now accusing me of "shit-stirring" on a site I help run
• Didn't even think to post a poll in a forum restricted to current members to prevent alts

But I doubt there would be a great difference in the votes either way.

That's not for you to decide. While the results look fine, you did clearly do something with them.

Is there a way to hide the poll results until a specified time?  Squevil wanted to do the PM method to make the votes anonymous so that everyone could vote for who they think should be on the council instead of just going with the flow or feeling like their vote for "insert nominee" is wasted so they don't end up voting for that person.

Yes, you can "only show votes after the poll has expired". That's standard functionality for SMF.

Something like http://ballotbin.com/ may satisfy everyone's concerns.

That is pretty good, but it feels like overengineering it. If people prefer that solution, it's perfectly fine by me, but I think a poll should already cover all bases.

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Technology & Information / Re: Xbox users are bricking their consoles

« on: December 19, 2013, 05:59:06 PM »

Unless you have a lot of unbacked up data you need.

Which most people dumb enough to believe this crap will probably have.

Fucking up your HD is not as bad as bricking your Xbox.

I disagree. Your HDD is likely to have stuff that's *actually* important. Xbone is for video games and watching shitty movies.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Zetetic Council Election Thread.

« on: December 19, 2013, 05:10:26 PM »

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the poll function doesn't allow for write-in candidates.

It can be done but it would require a member of staff to edit the poll - something I'd rather avoid to preserve accountability. With an election of this size, we should hopefully be able to have one round of nominations to make sure everyone is included and then vote without having to write anyone in.

If a write-in does end up being necessary, it could always be done via a public post. That wouldn't be ideal, but it probably won't happen anyway, and it wouldn't be the end of the world if it did happen.

As an alternative, we could always screw voter anonymity and have people just post their votes in a thread. That way everyone would have a clear view of what's happening.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Zetetic Council Election Thread.

« on: December 19, 2013, 04:59:27 PM »

wat? Why? The people have spoken.

The people have indeed spoken and agreed upon a set of rules. These rules were not followed. The votes were also demonstrably miscounted (or fabricated, but I try to avoid needless accusations). We need an election where everyone is actually accountable, and information is publicly available.

Does the forum have a "poll" function?  Would that, or something like it, add some transparency to the process?

It does indeed! Using it or something similar is what I'm suggesting.

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Technology & Information / Re: Xbox users are bricking their consoles

« on: December 19, 2013, 01:57:42 PM »

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Zetetic Council Election Thread.

« on: December 19, 2013, 12:43:26 PM »

For now though if the admins would be so good as to set up a Zetetic Council sub-forum and give access to the 5 appointees, that would be marvellous. 

Not until the election is no longer contested. We will likely have to re-host it with proper democratic measures in place.

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Technology & Information / Re: Xbox users are bricking their consoles

« on: December 19, 2013, 11:47:14 AM »

To all those who said hefty dev stuff should be more securely kept away in xbones, I present this:



In reality, this would overwrite all of your hard drive with random data. What should we do in that case. Disallow the operating system from writing to the hard drive?

It's really impossible to stop people from shooting themselves in the foot. They'll always find a way. The key to solving this is education.

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Science & Alternative Science / RET riddle

« on: December 19, 2013, 07:36:07 AM »

Riddle me this, FES:

What direction are you traveling in definitively if you are traveling towards the North Pole from any given point?

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Zetetic Council Election Thread.

« on: December 19, 2013, 06:33:51 AM »

He volunteered.  Do you not trust him?  The votes seem representative of what most rational people would've expected.

Well, I also voted for Secret User, so it sounds like she's at least at 3 by my count, but...

It shouldn't matter whether or not I trust him. There's a way of doing this without anyone having to rely on anyone at all. There already is controversy about some people supposedly voting by posting instead of PMing and thus being ignored. Why not have a system that simply works, free of manual counting and the vote-counter making personal calls?

Who is the "we" that will agree on these things?

That is one of the things that has yet to be agreed upon.

Really, the council has no power anyway.  This is a temporary group of people to figure out all these things.  If they don't, it fails.  Maybe I am wrong, but it all works for me.

Fair enough. Like I said, I do want to stay out of this. It just irks me when I see people taking a dump on democracy like this.

There was a thread on what the Zetetic Council is:

http://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=850.0

Yes. I think it's sensible to say that this thread should reach a conclusion before we vote, wouldn't you agree? Alternatively, if you feel everything that should be concluded has already been agreed upon, we should probably action these agreements. One of the important points in this thread was that the Constitution must come before the elections. That did not happen. We agreed on going with preferential voting. That also didn't happen. This election has been ran prematurely and not in accordance to what we've managed to establish in the thread you quoted.

Id like to see the council that the people voted for, now show some ideas and an agenda and try to show those who seem confused what the point is.

You're the one that's confused here. You ignored what everyone agreed upon and now you're acting like your decision has any legitimacy. Read through the damned thread and do things according to procedures we've come to accept.

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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: Forum rules: Draft 1

« on: December 19, 2013, 06:17:13 AM »

But if a rule was put in place where we can not quote a pm then the ability to quote it in 1 click should be removed too.

Why?

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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: Forum rules: Draft 1

« on: December 19, 2013, 05:20:37 AM »

There shouldnt be a rule about posting pms. If its such an issue remove the quoting.

Yeah, because people wouldn't just copy-paste them and surround them in quote tags

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Zetetic Council Election Thread.

« on: December 19, 2013, 05:18:00 AM »

Those who cant read the rules dont deserve a vote

What rules? We still have no idea what people voted for. Also, voting via PM means we have no actual record of the votes, so you could have made it up for all we know.

I don't want to get involved in this, and if you tell me to shoo off, I will, but here's an idea:

Stop being retarded. Use a POLL for voting so we can all see the counts without having to rely on you. Set the election up AFTER we agreed what positions we're even voting for, and what they will do. As it stands right now, the council means absolutely nothing because it has absolutely no power, nor duties.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Is Islam a radical religion or is everyone else wrong?

« on: December 18, 2013, 12:49:54 PM »

The problem isn't Islam, it's the feudalistic and decentralized system of government in the former Ottoman Empire

Aren't the two the same thing, at least to some extent? Many Muslim governments are based on Islam, and Islam was therefore shaped in a political way.

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Technology & Information / Re: My phone has been shipped!

« on: December 18, 2013, 12:25:59 PM »

Wow. That's like, literally the same resolution as my Galaxy S4.

Correct. We got basically the same phone for a fraction of the price. Chinese technology is the best.

What's battery life like?

I'd call it standard. Literally every smartphone I've had has had about the same battery life, and this one is no different.

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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: Should Mods Be Held to Higher Standard

« on: December 17, 2013, 07:45:26 PM »

This is one of the things a council could decide on.

No, it's not. The council has nothing to do with the administration of this site. This has been agreed when the very principle has been laid out.

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Arts & Entertainment / Re: Dark Souls

« on: December 17, 2013, 08:44:29 AM »

Why are the arrows so slow?

Because Dark Souls is the worst game ever

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Arts & Entertainment / Re: Dark Souls

« on: December 17, 2013, 08:11:56 AM »

pizaaplanet cannot into Dark Souls

In the tutorial, it told me to find a shield so that I don't die from a zombie goast skeleton with a bow and arrow. I was too busy charging like a madman so I had to backtrack to find the shield afterwards. That's how hardcore I am.