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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion
« on: May 16, 2022, 12:36:29 AM »
I always love watching conservatives, who are very pro-personal liberties, defend the government telling people what they can or can't do with their bodies.

Is murder a personal liberty, Dave?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: NATO Shenanigans
« on: May 13, 2022, 05:03:54 PM »
Fine.  Serious stuff.  I think the US committed to a defense pact with Sweden and Finland to bridge the gap between application and approval.  Since the US is like 80% of NATO it's effectively like being in NATO if that news was correct.

The UK did the same thing. Additionally, Sweden and Finland have mutual defense agreements with the EU but that is on shakier ground than the UK or US assurances.

But this is the peril in a treaty organization getting too big.  Eventually we get shitheads.  It might be time to create NATO 2.0 and not include countries like Hungary and Turkey.  Maybe a EU 2.0 while they're at it to kick those two countries out also.

They weren't shitheads when originally invited into NATO. We've unfortunately let their governments deteriorate into what they are today.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: NATO Shenanigans
« on: May 13, 2022, 04:13:24 PM »
I try to have a semi-serious discussion about NATO and you're all in here talking about Die Hard.  >:(

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion
« on: May 13, 2022, 04:10:53 PM »
Is the current legislation in the USA making it impossible for a boyfriend to abandon his pregnant girlfriend, or is there indication that SCOTUS plans to rule along those lines?

The legal system's response to a man abandoning his pregnant girlfriend is complex. In some cases, it is legal to fully abandon a child and recuse yourself from parental rights. In other cases, even if you do not want the child and legally state as such, you can be required to pay child support. It really depends on what state you are in and what judges are on your case as well as how good of a lawyer the mother of your child can afford.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / NATO Shenanigans
« on: May 13, 2022, 01:47:28 PM »
Currently, Finland wants to join NATO; Sweden is still thinking about it. However, to join NATO all members must approve of your application. Guess who doesn't approve?

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-05-13/turkey-doesn-t-favor-sweden-finland-joining-nato-erdogan-says

Unsurprisingly, it's Turkey. Why don't they approve?

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Erdogan cites concerns over ‘terrorists’ in Sweden and Finland

It's because of all those terrorists in Sweden and Finland! Obviously. How could I not have known that? Those damned Swedes and Finns going around... terrorizing us with... something...

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion
« on: May 12, 2022, 07:31:54 PM »
Rushy is a sweetheart.

 >:(

Also lads and lassies, do not worry:



Artificial wombs are the answer. Everyone wins.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion
« on: May 12, 2022, 04:51:34 PM »
This is a shocking turn around by you.  I am glad you were open to having your mind changed.

What can I say, I'm an open minded individual. Dahmer's victims were pretty open minded as well, but I don't think I want to go that far just yet.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion
« on: May 12, 2022, 04:49:37 PM »
A serial killer would be more than once.

So then a woman receiving an abortion can't be Jeffrey Dahmer.  I accept your retraction.

Yes, everyone gets one murder. After that, it's not okay anymore. I'm still undecided on mine.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion
« on: May 12, 2022, 04:36:36 PM »
It is no surprise that women willing to murder their own children don't regret it.
Because they don't regard it as such.
Nor do you.

You don't actually believe what you just said.

I've literally had an abortion and I never once regretted it and I rarely think about it. I did not suffer emotionally.

Decades of propaganda will do that to a mind. I'm sure plenty of killers do so without remorse. Our military has a lot of them.

I've literally had an abortion and I never once regretted it and I rarely think about it. I did not suffer emotionally.

By Rushy’s “rationale” you are literally a serial killer.

A serial killer would be more than once.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion
« on: May 12, 2022, 01:00:04 PM »
lol the majority of women do not have any regrets about their abortions and generally rarely think about them. https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/01/416421/five-years-after-abortion-nearly-all-women-say-it-was-right-decision-study
https://www.healthline.com/health-news/study-finds-99-of-women-say-they-do-not-regret-having-an-abortion

It is no surprise that women willing to murder their own children don't regret it. It's like asking if Jeffrey Dahmer regrets putting a drill through a man's head. The kind of woman who regrets such an act doesn't do it in the first place.

A much better study would be asking a sample of all women and men about abortion. After all, men can get pregnant too these days.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion
« on: May 11, 2022, 06:00:34 PM »
So therein lies the Premeditated murder as a charge and ensuing penalty - Murder 1, life in prison without parole or death penalty.
Back to the first part of my question, in States that, let's say, ban abortions altogether, would you advocate that all reported miscarriages be vetted by some authority to make sure they weren't induced, that they weren't murder?

It would be incredibly difficult to prove a miscarriage is intentional (the standard of evidence is likewise very high). Investigating every single one would be impossible, investigating a few suspicious ones would be warranted. It would work much the same way deaths do right now. Not all deaths receive the same amount of investigative vigor. Some are obviously accidental or anticipated and some are not. The primary reporting agent would probably be a woman's doctor who would be (in an ideal world) obligated to report wrongful termination of a pregnancy.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion
« on: May 11, 2022, 05:46:08 PM »
So anything less than death would just be an inconvenience?

Correct.

Markjo made the tapeworm comparison. Tom Bishop then said people acknowledge killing a tapeworm so killing = murder. I was just being pedantic about how you literally can't murder a tapeworm.

I see.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion
« on: May 11, 2022, 05:31:47 PM »
I don't see a difference between a woman purposefully ending her pregnancy because it inconveniences
On this line of thought though, where would you draw the line between inconvenience and genuine life changing harm?

I wouldn't, as there isn't any. What is mere inconvenience to one is "genuine life changing harm" to another. Maybe women should think more about how important the life of their children is versus drinking starbucks and eating avocado toast all day.

For the record, I never said anything about what was human versus what was parasitic.

Yes, you only mentioned tapeworms in a thread about abortion. I can imagine all the infinite lines of reasoning you were going down. Certainly not comparing abortion to killing parasites. Nope. That wasn't going to be it at all, obviously.

I don't see a difference between a woman purposefully ending her pregnancy because it inconveniences her versus a woman killing her toddler because it inconveniences her.
Yes you do.

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They're all children, the only difference is age.
No they aren't.

Nice opinion.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion
« on: May 11, 2022, 05:13:39 PM »
I didn't know this when I wrote the above, but Morning After Pills (ex., "Plan B") aren't abortion pills, they are simply contraceptives. RU-486, in contrast, is an "abortion" pill. It induces a miscarriage and the results are pretty much indistinguishable from a "natural" miscarriage.

So then "Plan B" is fine but RU-486 is not in that case.

And if somehow found to be induced, what sort of penalties would you levy against the woman?

Premeditated murder.

I don't see a difference between a woman purposefully ending her pregnancy because it inconveniences her versus a woman killing her toddler because it inconveniences her. Collectively, many have decided the former is fine while the latter is atrocious. I don't see how one can think of a toddler as independent (or, to put it to Roosroos' argument, not-a-parasite) versus a child still in the womb. They're all children, the only difference is age.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion
« on: May 11, 2022, 03:04:48 PM »
I wasn't aware humans could resemble a heavy period and flush down the toilet.

Humans can resemble much worse than that, I'm afraid.

Just to be safe, let’s lock up anyone who has a miscarriage. They might have done it on purpose. It’s the only way to make sure everyone is putting enough value on human life.
/s

This but unironically.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion
« on: May 11, 2022, 01:30:54 PM »
Do you make exceptions for:

- Incest - Y/N
- Rape - Y/N
- Life threat to mother - Y/N

No to the first two. Yes to the last one, as it's human life vs human life.


- Morning-After Pills - Y/N
- IUDs - Y/N

IUDs, no, they prevent conception. Morning-after pills, yes.

Do people murder tapeworms?

If we're going to start comparing humans to parasites then I've got a very long list of humans that we can start aborting. They're all quite a bit past the 3rd trimester.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion
« on: May 09, 2022, 11:43:55 PM »
But when does it become human? 

Conception.

Also, whenever anyone pro-choice "just admits" or "just owns" that, yes, they totally support killing babies, the discussion immediately turns into "Aha! They admit it! How old does a child have to be before their parents lose the right to murder them at will, you sicko? Three? Four?" It's not a good-faith debate tactic. The distinction between terminating a pregnancy and killing a baby is there to establish scope. It's not simply something that pro-choice people frantically tell themselves to soothe their consciences.

How old does a child have to be before their parents lose the right to murder them at will, you sicko?

Where's the exact line where something is considered "alive"?

Is it at fertilization? Are AATW's testube contents "alive"?

See above.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion
« on: May 09, 2022, 01:46:16 PM »
Every ova and every sperm is a potential human.

No, they aren't. The combination of the two is a potential human, the two alone is nothing. You'll never make a human being with only half a working genome.

When is terminating a pregnancy equivalent to murdering a baby?

Always. Sometimes it's okay to kill things. I only ask that people accept they're killing them. It's like eating meat without accepting you're killing an animal or sentencing a rapist to death without admitting you're killing him.

Abortion isn't good. It's death. It's killing something that is alive. You are ending its life. When I eat a burger, I understand that I killed a cow. When I go hunting, I understand I'm putting a bullet through the heart of a deer. It's amazing how difficult it is for "pro-choice" individuals to accept that they are killing a human. I get it if you're for it. Just own it. "I want to kill humans in the womb" It's not a big deal to just admit it.



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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion
« on: May 07, 2022, 05:09:26 PM »
Then I suppose it's a good thing for *abortion* to go away, then.
Good thing for who? We don't need more people.

Abortion won't go away, it'll only be illegal. It will be as successful as the war on drugs.

Just like murdering adults, murdering babies won't go away because it's illegal. However, it would be insane to argue that we should make murdering adults legal just because some people do it anyway. I'm not sure why you would argue that murdering babies should be legal just because a few people do it regardless of its legal status. It's not at all like drugs.

That you would edit my post to "abortion" makes it that much darker. Imagine thinking that ending a potential human life is fine as long as you switch the wording up a bit. I'm sure it's only a matter of time before we reach the "noooo it's not a baby, use a more dehumanizing scientific term, like zygote or fetus!"


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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion
« on: May 06, 2022, 05:09:21 PM »
Ironic that the side that's "more aware" of "crises" would prefer to castrate their own genealogical lines resulting in the "wrong" ideology proliferating over their own.
I wasn't aware political ideology was genetic.

Then I'm glad to have enlightened you on the subject.

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