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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: Today at 09:39:14 AM »
Despite the ongoing furore around the Uvalde school shooting, Trump went ahead and delivered his word salad to the assembled faithful at the NRA convention.

He read out the names of the children killed, struggling to pronounce them, and to top it all, he DANCED on stage at the end of his speech. These kids haven't even had a proper burial yet, and he's dancing. Dancing.

What. the. actual. f*ck. is. wrong. with. him?
But did they cheer/clap?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: President Joe Biden
« on: May 28, 2022, 07:55:22 AM »
Why should any marriage be any different than any other marriage? 

The purpose of marriage, first and foremost, is the continuation of the State and society as a whole. If it does not engage in that purpose (i.e. childless couples) then it should not confer any benefits to the parties involved.

That is to say: any marriage that doesn't result in procreation or adoption should be null and void within a few years from the government's perspective.

What about after the kids move out?  Or the woman goes through metapause and is unable to have kids?  Should the marriage be null and void in a legal sense?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: President Joe Biden
« on: May 26, 2022, 08:24:17 AM »
I agree, mostly, with Rushy.  All lip service, no action, doesn't help much.
What it does do is allow congress to pass laws on it and assume the stance of the president on such laws.  Because congress likes to make sure everything will pass before they bother voting.  But if Biden just says "I love gay rights" but then does nothing to ensure they're kept, he's not being very helpful.


Trump will be speaking at the NRA Convention this weekend, and despite their exhortations that guns make them safer, attendees will be banned from taking their guns into the room for Trump's speech.

In fairness, that's likely Secret Service rules + location rules.
See, its ok (well, more ok) for a business to ban guns, but not the state or federal government.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: President Joe Biden
« on: May 23, 2022, 05:51:56 PM »
Only half my loans are federal subsidized.  And thats been on pause for like 2 years?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« on: May 23, 2022, 05:46:03 PM »
Totally normal



Keep what hidden?  People having a heart attack after running a marathon?  Why would that need to be kept secret?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: May 23, 2022, 05:44:17 PM »
Will the Huntergate subscribers care about this enough to look deeper?

https://www.businessinsider.com/kusner-mnuchin-raised-combined-3-half-billion-arab-monarchies-report-2022-5?utm_source=reddit.com

Clearly honest business men who took advantage of their connections to earn a profit.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion
« on: May 19, 2022, 09:30:16 PM »
Condoms fail when people put then on wrong.  Or buy the wrong size.  Or wear two at once like an idiot.
Otherwise they work really well. I trust it over any medication.
Yes and my point is that women have birth control pills and they're more heavily relied upon than condoms so there's no reason men shouldn't also have birth control pills if the science allows it.

Obviously if everyone wore condoms correctly every time they had sex we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Oh I agree.
But if a guy says "It's ok, I'm on the pill" would you really wanna trust him?  I sure as hell wouldn't. 

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion
« on: May 19, 2022, 06:31:45 PM »
Male birth control exists.
Its called a condom.  Men just hate it.

Also, vasectamy. Totally reversable but ya know... Thats evil to suggest men get them until they want kids.
Condoms are more prone to failure than other forms of birth control, but yeah are generally good sense to use for STDs. Vasectomy reversals can be pricey and there is about a 90-95% chance of success on top of it being a surgery which a lot of people aren't super comfortable with. Men tend to get vasectomies when they're done having kids rather than temporary birth control which is understandable.

So obviously I'm talking about medication - something that would help put the shared burden on guys instead of assuming all women are or should be on hormonal birth control.

Condoms fail when people put then on wrong.  Or buy the wrong size.  Or wear two at once like an idiot.
Otherwise they work really well. I trust it over any medication.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion
« on: May 19, 2022, 05:11:01 PM »
Male birth control exists.
Its called a condom.  Men just hate it.

Also, vasectamy. Totally reversable but ya know... Thats evil to suggest men get them until they want kids.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion
« on: May 19, 2022, 06:03:22 AM »
I don't see why this is so hard to figure out.



What about men?  Could tell them not to have sex too.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion
« on: May 16, 2022, 12:25:45 PM »
I always love watching conservatives, who are very pro-personal liberties, defend the government telling people what they can or can't do with their bodies.

Is murder a personal liberty, Dave?
*Points to Second Amendment*
According to American: yes.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion
« on: May 15, 2022, 06:59:51 PM »

And yes, we have largely decided as a society that you do not have ultimate authority over your body. We ban drinking and driving, for example. You do not have a right to drink whenever you want.
This is not due to putting something into your body but rather the driving while being unable to drive safely.  Kinda like driving with your eyes closed.


Quote
Having bodily autonomy does not mean any person gets to undermine the health, rights or autonomy of others.
...
Irony.

No wait, its not surprising.

Hypocracy.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion
« on: May 15, 2022, 06:19:35 PM »
I always love watching conservatives, who are very pro-personal liberties, defend the government telling people what they can or can't do with their bodies.

When a woman is pregnant it's not just her body though. There is another entity within her. Laws already tell women that they do not have right over their body, banning abortion after xx weeks in most areas. It is incorrect that a woman has absolute right over her body.

It is also considered homicide if someone causes a woman to lose her baby at any stage of gestation in many areas. It is not merely assault.

There are laws banning you from killing bird eggs:

https://goldengateaudubon.org/conservation/make-the-city-safe-for-wildlife/tree-care-and-bird-safety/laws-protecting-birds

    FEDERAL MIGRATORY BIRD TREATY ACT:
    703. Taking, killing, or possessing migratory birds unlawful.

    “…it shall be unlawful at any time, by any means or in any manner, to pursue, hunt, take, capture, kill, attempt to take, capture, or kill, possess, offer for sale, sell, offer to barter, offer to purchase, deliver for shipment, ship, export, import, cause to be shipped, exported, or imported, deliver for transportation, transport or cause to be transported, carry or cause to be carried, or receive for shipment, transportation, carriage, or export, any migratory bird, any part, nest, or eggs of any such bird, or any product, whether or not manufactured, which consists, or is composed in whole or part, of any such bird or any part, nest, or egg thereof…”

    ...

    CALIFORNIA STATE CODE:

    3503. It is unlawful to take, possess, or needlessly destroy the nest or eggs of any bird, except as otherwise provided by this code or any regulation made pursuant thereto.

    ...

    Title 14, Chapter 1, Section 251.1. Harassment of Animals

    Except as otherwise authorized in these regulations or in the Fish and Wildlife Code, no person shall harass, herd or drive any game or non-game bird or mammal or furbearing mammal. For the purposes of this section, harass is defined as an intentional act which disrupts an animal’s normal behavior patterns, which includes, but is not limited to, breeding, feeding or sheltering. This section does not apply to a landowner or tenant who drives or herds birds or mammals for the purpose of preventing damage to private or public property, including aquaculture and agriculture crops.

    ...

    SAN FRANCISCO COUNTY MUNICIPAL CODE:
    Sec 5.08. It is unlawful to disturb birds.


So, to recap.
You are 100% in support of a government agency having legal say over a person's own body.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion
« on: May 15, 2022, 05:49:48 PM »
I always love watching conservatives, who are very pro-personal liberties, defend the government telling people what they can or can't do with their bodies.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion
« on: May 11, 2022, 04:29:12 AM »
Do people murder tapeworms?
Only when they lose enough weight.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion
« on: May 10, 2022, 06:07:40 PM »
A ten day old baby is hardly conscious
Bullshit.
What a stupid comparison.
It IS bullshit.
As a parent of two, I can assure you that a 10 day old baby is very conscious, has moods and preferences.  At 10 days, however, the parents are still trying to figure out said child's patterns, what works to sooth, what doesn't, etc...

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion
« on: May 10, 2022, 10:59:45 AM »
ITT Tom ascribes will and intent to a clump of cells. I suppose if that is what you believe, then being pro-life is consistent, but it does require you to ascribe will and intent to a clump of cells.
It also requires you to oppose cancer treatment.

And bleeding.  All those red and white blood cells... Dying slowly, horribly outside of the body.  And all they want to do is transport oxygen, nutrients, and waste.  Like tiny truck drivers.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion
« on: May 10, 2022, 10:57:56 AM »
But when does it become human? 

Conception.

Why?
What makes it a human?  What criteria do you use to define a human being?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion
« on: May 09, 2022, 06:53:16 PM »
When is terminating a pregnancy equivalent to murdering a baby?

Always. Sometimes it's okay to kill things. I only ask that people accept they're killing them. It's like eating meat without accepting you're killing an animal or sentencing a rapist to death without admitting you're killing him.

Abortion isn't good. It's death. It's killing something that is alive. You are ending its life. When I eat a burger, I understand that I killed a cow. When I go hunting, I understand I'm putting a bullet through the heart of a deer. It's amazing how difficult it is for "pro-choice" individuals to accept that they are killing a human. I get it if you're for it. Just own it. "I want to kill humans in the womb" It's not a big deal to just admit it.

Where's the exact line where something is considered "alive"?

Is it at fertilization? Are AATW's testube contents "alive"?

Alive is easy: alive is conception.  The egg and sperm become a living cell, in so far as the definition of alive is.
But your blood cells are alive so there's that.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion
« on: May 09, 2022, 04:01:02 PM »
Every ova and every sperm is a potential human.

No, they aren't. The combination of the two is a potential human, the two alone is nothing. You'll never make a human being with only half a working genome.

When is terminating a pregnancy equivalent to murdering a baby?

Always. Sometimes it's okay to kill things. I only ask that people accept they're killing them. It's like eating meat without accepting you're killing an animal or sentencing a rapist to death without admitting you're killing him.

Abortion isn't good. It's death. It's killing something that is alive. You are ending its life. When I eat a burger, I understand that I killed a cow. When I go hunting, I understand I'm putting a bullet through the heart of a deer. It's amazing how difficult it is for "pro-choice" individuals to accept that they are killing a human. I get it if you're for it. Just own it. "I want to kill humans in the womb" It's not a big deal to just admit it.

But when does it become human?  What makes it human vs a lump of cells that have human dna?

My heart has my DNA and is alive.  If its removed but kept alive, is it human?
What about my arm?
Blood?
How much do we need to take away from a human before its not human?
What about a severed head.  Is that a human if its kept alive?


Basically: are we killing a human, or a bunch of cells that could become a human?

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