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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: Today at 02:57:23 PM »

Defund the FBI and ATF.

 

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion

« on: August 04, 2022, 01:52:02 PM »

I'm noticing a distinct Action80 motivated devolution of discussion. Do not post low effort nonsense in upper threads (looking at you, Action80) and do not reply to his low effort nonsense with more of it (looking at you, AllAroundTheWorld).

This isn't a 2016 presidential election debate. Do better.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion

« on: August 03, 2022, 06:02:29 PM »

Most of the nation would probably end up voting similarly to Kansas if given the direct-democratic option of doing it. There simply aren't that many people in any given state that strongly oppose abortion rights.

Pew Research says there's only 8% of the country that want to flat-out make abortion illegal in all cases, only another 29% want it to be illegal with a few exceptions. That's 37% "net illegal" abortion opinions. Considering the Kansas vote was during the Republican primary, I'd imagine the majority of US states would have the same outcome.

https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2022/05/06/americas-abortion-quandary/

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Old Politicians

« on: August 03, 2022, 05:47:32 PM »

How do these practically zombified 70-80 year olds conduct political business? It's something I've been wondering for a long time. When my grandmother was 75, she was getting too old to do even basic tasks like cooking meals. Now we have mfs in office in the US that are 80+. How do they even travel the world, talk to high ranking officials in other countries and still do their duties that 40-50 year olds would probably get winded by? Are they just like avatars with aides that do literally everything for them behind the scenes? Maybe we should get some younger peeps in there who are a lot less likely to go into cardiac arrest at any moment.

Having world class healthcare and a manicured diet does wonders for them. They also generally lived less labor-intensive lives and stay indoors, so the total toll taken on their bodies is less as well.

As for the politicians themselves, they're all ancient because it's ancient people voting in the primaries that typically get them to that position in the first place. The nature of population growth means there's (almost) always more young people than old, and yet people under 30 are by far the smallest voting bloc. So small it's almost a statistical error in some areas.

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Technology & Information / Re: Steam Deck

« on: August 03, 2022, 01:19:23 PM »

Do you have giant hands or is the Deck just smaller than I realized?

For reference, the screen is only 4.6 inches in height. Those are pretty average sized hands based on that reference measurement, so the Deck is just smaller than you thought. The entire Steam Deck is less than a foot long, measured at 11.7 inches.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: God takes no pleasure in the death of the wicked..

« on: August 01, 2022, 06:10:05 PM »

In a Christian school the moral of that story is if God tells you to commit an atrocity then you must commit an atrocity.

It wouldn't be phrased that way, however, as if it's something God is doing (or telling someone to do) it is, by definition of God being all-good, not an atrocity.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: President Joe Biden

« on: July 22, 2022, 05:03:06 PM »

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-62256544

He’s even handling getting Covid better than Trump. None of this being hospitalised and nearly dying nonsense

It's because Biden is being blessed by the combined prayers of liberals and conservatives: liberals praying that he's fine because they like him and conservatives praying that he's fine so that they avoid President Harris.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: What is the Gospel?

« on: July 16, 2022, 01:58:34 AM »

No I’m not. I’m arguing that if there is a god he has knowingly and willfully used his omnipotence and omniscience to create suffering when it’s not necessary. Whether or not that is evil is obviously subjective but what isn’t is that God must allow differing unnecessarily or he isn’t omnipotent.

That's just the thing, though, you're under the impression that God 'created suffering' when all that happened was the creation of the choice itself. If I gave you two buttons, one that blows the Earth up and one that gives 1000 orphans loving parents, then you decide to push the Blow-Up-The-Earth button: am I the bad guy for giving you the buttons in the first place? I don't think so (you may think so, but this is just our separation of opinions at this point). In my opinion, the evil is performed by the one that chooses to do the action, not the one that provided the choice.

If I were omniscient and I had to power to end suffering with no negative consequences I obviously would.

You're not merely ending suffering, though, you're ending the ability for people to choose to do good. The actions of humans no longer matter because you control them. Yes, the world is now more 'good', at the cost of its humanity. The universe is now nothing more than your wind-up toy and absolutely not the living universe we currently experience.

It doesn’t depend on my opinion, it depends on God’s, and the Bible tells us rape is surely evil.

Is that really your conclusion from what I wrote?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: What is the Gospel?

« on: July 16, 2022, 01:42:43 AM »

Fine.  Then, from your God's perspective, what is the point of all this?

Well the general timeline of the Abrahamic God seems to have an underlying current of "first I made a bunch of angels, forced them to worship me 24/7, got bored, then I made beings that can choose to worship me or tell me to fuck off"

Seems to me that God just wanted a bunch of beings capable of judging God's actions without having enough power to represent a threat. We can also go with the classic "you cannot comprehend God's plan because it's beyond your human ability to do so" but that's quite the cop-out.

In any case, whether or not God exists, it seems the vast majority of humanity's woes are imposed by humanity. Seems wrong to me to blame God for merely allowing humanity to choose between good and evil, then getting upset when people keep choosing evil. Ultimately, you can only control what you yourself do and that's generally why Christianity focuses on forgiveness of the self (but also forgiving the misdeeds of others). Understanding that sin is inevitable and that sin is fundamental to the universe is part of all Abrahamic faiths.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: What is the Gospel?

« on: July 16, 2022, 01:27:20 AM »

designed us to murder, rape, enslave and exploit each other

Those are choices that humans inflict on other humans and themselves.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: What is the Gospel?

« on: July 16, 2022, 01:17:55 AM »

It’s nonsense. Assuming omnipotence, there is no need for lessons, wisdom, pain or strife. All of the wisdom that we gain from those things, he could imbue us with. Allowing children to be raped is beyond reprehensible and could only be for his own curiosity or enjoyment. If any human allowed a girl to be raped, had the capability to prevent it, didn’t but felt bad you, would tell them to get fucked and do something next time. You only let your skyfather off the hook because it’s a cultural artifact you were raised with.

This is just an argument that boils down to Douglas Adams saying “The story so far: In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.”

You can say it's not fair that God allows evil to exist, but you must admit you're arguing that the universe itself simply shouldn't exist. Our existence requires the existence of choice and choice implies that choosing the wrong thing is possible. Ask yourself what you would do if you had the power to stop all rape. Would you stop at just stopping rape? Would you stop everything you deem to be evil? Would you accept arguments from other humans about what is or isn't evil? At what point are the humans you have such absolute control over no longer human and instead just little biological robots you've programmed to perform a nice orderly set of 'good' actions?

Further, would you go as far as to stop people before they perform the action in the first place? If we accept that the universe isn't deterministic (this could, scientifically, be the case), then you can't know what someone is going to do before they do it. Would you stop an action because it just may result in something you deemed to be evil?

The logical conclusion of "God should not allow evil" doesn't hold water, especially since it always includes your personal opinion of what evil is. You can be upset about this or claim that God must be an evil being because your personal opinion of what constitutes evil is different, but merely saying "for God to exist, evil must not exist" is quite simply not correct and it has never held in any philosophical or theological debate, because again, the conclusion results in our universe not existing.

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Technology & Information / Re: Speeding will be harder...

« on: July 15, 2022, 09:24:43 PM »

The department says that drivers will still be able to override such systems by pushing harder on the throttle pedal.

The override to your speed throttling program is to go even faster, lmao. Fantastic idea.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: What is the Gospel?

« on: July 15, 2022, 08:17:33 PM »

The arguement is that God could have created a universe where people had free will, evil did not exist and everyone felt completely fulfilled.  Instead he chose to create this universe.  Pretty shitty choice by God.

Free will, as a choice between good and evil acts, does not exist if evil itself does not exist.

What does Rushy do?

[sounds of a woodchipper running in the background]

God throws his hands up and says, "Meh.  Free will." then turns around a walks out while closing the door behind Him.

The problem is that God's actions as a total obviously impact the universe differently than a single human's choices in the same situation. For God, we must apply one action to the entire universe simultaneously (that is unless you think God would save someone's daughter in one case and not in another, not entirely impossible depending on the religion). If God stops all evil actions all the time, this, again, means there is no such thing as free will.

To put it another way, imagine I'm now omnipotent. My morality is now total law. I define Good and Evil. I decide that allowing Evil is, itself, Evil and therefore no one is allowed to do Evil anymore. Is this a good universe where you would like to live? A place where some omnipotent Rushy decides what you can and can't do? I don't think you would like that.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion

« on: July 15, 2022, 06:56:07 PM »

I will change my stance to supporting baby murder only if you promise to make abortion free for low income and minority parents while making it $20,000 for everyone else.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: What is the Gospel?

« on: July 15, 2022, 06:49:37 PM »

Always love that one.  Yep, she chose to be raped of her own free will.

Dude, you are being deliberately obtuse.

It's not her free will I'm talking about, it's the rapists.
OK so yes, God could have stopped that.
So then God would have to stop everyone from doing anything sinful - you can't draw a line between what we might see as the petty stuff and the really bad stuff. To God it's all bad and we either have free will or we don't.

Can you see how that wouldn't be a particularly fulfilling experience as a human?

I'm not sure if the Bible really says why God gave us free will but my take is that it's the only way He could give us a choice about having a relationship with him. A relationship without choice is meaningless.

Of course the whole free will excuse is talking about the rapist.  The point is, the girl never made a choice.  She didn't choose to be raped.  She executed no free will yet the kind, loving, caring, benevolent God doesn't give a shit about what happens to her.  You can say the same thing about children born with birth defects.  God doesn't give a shit if you are born and have to live your life as a vegetable.  It's all good.  Oh, and if your miserable existence that you made no choice to have and God didn't prevent causes you to question Him and not obediently follow him then fuck you, off to hell you go.

Can you see how that wouldn't be a particularly fulfilling experience as a human?

Yes, life without being able to rape 5 year old girls without being struck down by lightning wouldn't be a particularly fulfilling experience as a human. 

You should follow the logic of this argument to its conclusion: the existence of free will implies the ability to choose (in which one or more of the choices is 'wrong'). Rather than be given the choice, humans should be forced to do the 'right' thing. Then, we must ask, what does it even mean to be human? If humanity is nothing more than a bunch of robots which can't make any of their own choices, should such a humanity even exist?

That is to say, if you're upset at God for allowing free will, then you're really just upset that you exist at all. The logic of "God should stop bad things from happening" always concludes with the eventuality that nothing actually happens. The universe would be dead... filled with robots with no free will.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trans athletes

« on: July 13, 2022, 07:05:05 PM »

I don’t think that’s why female leagues have cropped up. It’s also not bigotry to acknowledge that men have biological advantages in most athletics.

At first you say "female" then you mention "men". Stop confusing gender and sex. And yes, it's absolutely bigotry to say men have some biological advantage. It's literally in the definition: "one who is prejudiced against or antagonistic toward a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group."

Judging based on gender is prejudice. (just another reason gender should not exist) Men are not superior in any way (biological or otherwise) to women. Full stop.

A female human can do anything a male human can do. To say otherwise is bigotry. Pure and simple. Full stop.

No one said women can’t do anything a man can and as mentioned most professional leagues don’t have a sex requirement.

No one mentioned men and women. Please stop bringing them up. Man is not synonymous with male. Woman is not synonymous with female.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trans athletes

« on: July 13, 2022, 01:46:47 PM »

"Females need their own league because they're not as good as males at things!" - Bigots

A female human can do anything a male human can do. To say otherwise is bigotry. Pure and simple. Full stop.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trans athletes

« on: July 12, 2022, 08:29:52 PM »

Yeah I was being tangential to your shitpost. Incredible that your response is to shitpost again. There are no league’s with gender requirements either, so it’s no big deal either way. It’s almost like the issue with trans people is a bigoted moral panic. Fortuna can tell you more if you are interested.

There should be no such thing as 'trans' people because 'gender' should not exist. The mere existence of 'trans' people is a form of bigotry and they are all inherently bigots reinforcing stereotypes that, again, should not exist. 'Transgenderism' as a movement is based upon 'gender' which is the idea that 'gender roles' exist. Allowing 'gender roles' to exist is bigotry, but the highest form of bigotry is reinforcing those roles.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trans athletes

« on: July 12, 2022, 07:32:11 PM »

There should only be one league for every sport. Gender itself is bigotry and should not exist.

Thanks for the shitpost.  Interestingly enough, most team sports leagues do not put restrictions on which sexes can compete in them.  If you are a female and good enough to play MLB, then there is no rule against it.  There are probably a bunch of social barriers to jump though.

Sex and gender are not the same thing. Please educate yourself.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trans athletes

« on: July 12, 2022, 03:31:37 PM »

There should only be one league for every sport. Gender itself is bigotry and should not exist.