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Donald Trump outlined a suite of economic proposals in a speech here Thursday, including formally introducing a government efficiency commission to be headed by Elon Musk
people's lives actually were being put in danger and the online disinformation and inflammatory Tweets were contributing to that
But the context of the unrest is key here. I do think the nature of social media changes the nature of free speech - when anyone has the ability to broadcast bile across the internet to a large audience I think there needs to be some thought about what people can use that for.
In some ways the UK isn't OK, but I'd suggest the same is true of the US. Both countries have their issues. But the UK isn't the dystopian nightmare some people are trying to claim.
Do you regard that as a good thing?
People Tweeting stuff encouraging that sort of action directly contributes to people's lives being put in danger.
But it doesn't say that, though. It lists a bunch of other issues, such as him being from Sutton, breaking out of the police cordon, and inciting disorder.
If we look beyond tabloids, we'll find that the man pleaded guilty to violent disorder: https://www.cps.gov.uk/london-south/news/rioters-who-admitted-taking-part-london-unrest-are-sentenced
I don't think it's a big ask for proof that the police are doing what they say they're doing without asking the police directly.As much as I dislike cops, I'm going to hold on to my mantra of "innocent until proven guilty" - if the cops are demonstrably lying about what they're doing, then we need some evidence of that.
You specifically asked for proof of what the law enforcement is doing without referencing law enforcement. Of course you didn't get a response - after all, you never troll.
Careful, friend - your current options are Kamala and Trump.
Europeans tend to omit obvious statements like these, because they're obvious. We don't feel the need to caveat our statements with something like "we'll enforce the law unless it's illegal to do so", because we don't have a culture of cops breaking laws when it suits them.
" protest vote. I expect Stein's percentage to receive an increase, and maybe Trump will get a small bump from the true "I love Kennedy's policies!" nutters.
That would require for him to liquidate some of his very hypothetical wealth (and pay taxes), and then to fund his company (and pay taxes). Also, he might have to pay his debts if some actual funds pass through his bank accounts. I honestly don't think he's smart enough to pull any of that off.
No you haven't. You went on some weird ramble on page 2 where you tried to define it in terms of itself.
These are adopted into UK law in the Human Rights Act of 1998.
Are you just doing what you did when I showed you that US Citizens have been jailed for Tweets and just going "well that doesn't fit very well with my argument so it doesn't count. So there!"
Maybe if you wave that little Stars and Stripes hard enough and shout U-S-A loudly enough then that will become true. Back in the real world, nah. If you did invent freedom then you're doing it wrong:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/may/18/facebook-comments-arrest-prosecution
https://www.amnesty.org.uk/guantanamo-bay-human-rights
Locking people up for FB posts, locking people up without fair trial.
We were codifying things like right to a fair trial in the Magna Carta centuries before we even invented your country.
Freedom of speech is just one aspect of living in a free society. Your argument seems to be that we don’t have freedom of speech in the UK because people can be jailed for things they say online. Which is both true and rare. And when I provided an example of that exact same thing in the US your response was along the lines of “well that doesn’t count”. So…
Freedom of speech doesn’t mean you can literally say anything you like. Both the US and the UK have protections for free speech and limits to that too. Your claim is:
Far more vague is incorrect - Pete has gone in to some detail about how they are defined.
Far more oppressive is incorrect too according to the freedom indexes I have linked to.
Far more silly - I disagree. There have been occasional silly cases (look up the heil Hitler dog thing). But those are very much the exception not the rule.
In general we do have a pretty high level of freedom of speech over here. The trouble with you lot thinking you are “THE land of the free” is it implies you’re the only one. You aren’t.
Right, but we've already established that that premise of your argument is largely just your imagination, so repeating it for emphasis doesn't change much.
So many that you couldn’t name one.
Even if you are right, many laws say what you must or must not do. They restrict your freedom. But if you’re so free then sure, you just drive how you like and see how that goes.
As someone who lives in Europe, let me just say how it would suck alot for me if they stopped.
Remember that undersea pipeline that blew up? Yeah, so Norway began exporting even more power to Denmark and possibly Germany (can't say for certain) because electric heat was being used alot. Needless to say, my power bill went up X4. It was a very unpleasant winter. Alot of companies and people had issues paying. Fortunately the government stepped in to help but it's still hurt.
It's an unwinnable situation. You either fund Russia, or you can't find Ukraine.
Speeding is actually a good example, I'll bite. For it to be analogous, we have to describe it as "fining people for driving their own cars", though. Driving cars is more socially acceptable than inciting murderous riots (just about), so fining people for driving cars seems, on the whole, much sillier than what OP is complaining about.
America is so un-free. It fines people for driving their own cars. What's next, requiring a license to make toast in your own DAMN toaster?! :(
There are laws in the UK which restrict what you can say and do, there are laws in the US which do the same.
