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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« on: July 24, 2021, 12:20:25 AM »
The correct risk control behavior is to:

1. Not take the vaccine, wear a mask when necessary and avoid social gatherings
2. Encourage other people to take it (as long as they aren't family or friends)

Then, you successfully take full advantage of having others shoulder the burden of possible vaccine side effects while acquiring herd immunity.

Please get vaccinated, by the way.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trans athletes
« on: July 02, 2021, 04:00:05 PM »
Not quite. A "tomboy" will still be told that they can't be with men in gender-segregated facilities

That's because she is not a man.

, and people will usually insist on using the pronoun "she".

Because she isn't a man. The pronoun "she" does not refer to a role, it refers to an object (a female human). We're not at the point technologically where people switch their genetics around to other sexes.

Although they may be accepted by their friends, there is constant reinforcement everywhere they go that their identity is wrong, or at the very least abnormal. Are you capable of placing yourself in someone else's position for a moment and trying to imagine what this would be like?

You can't identify as something else and expect others to bend reality around you. This is back to the old "I'm an attack helicopter!" meme. You're no longer talking about gender roles, rendering your original point moot.

I agree, to an extent — I think the correct solution is to simply let everyone be however they want, with no arbitrary expecations based on their genitals. But we live in an imperfect world, and transgenderism is an imperfect solution that makes people happier in the world.

If the argument is that gender roles shouldn't exist, then the transgender movement is going the wrong way to attack it. The problem is that I believe you are confused, the transgender movement is not an inherent problem with gender roles, it's a problem with biological ones. That's why they're attacking the words "man" and "woman". Not the roles they represent.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trans athletes
« on: July 02, 2021, 03:43:13 PM »
I think a large part of the confusion — willing as it may be on the part of some — arises from the fact that "male" and "female" are terms used to describe both sex and gender. So, let's refer to gender "blue" and "orange" instead, and see what difference that makes.

There is a correlation between being male and being blue, just as males tend to be taller and stronger than women. But as in all things, there are exceptions. Some men are orange, and some women are blue, because your blueness/orangeness is not defined by your sex. Having a Y chromosome doesn't make you blue, and lacking one doesn't make you orange.

The problem arises when there is a social expectation for all males to be blue, and all women to be orange. This is so deeply ingrained into our society that we have begun to refer to blueness as "masculinity" and orangeness as "femininity", and we tell anyone who diverges from this arbitrary rule that they are wrong about themselves.

Can you understand why blue women might be unhappy about being forced to act orange all the time?

Blue women aren't forced to act orange all the time. We already have terms for women that take up traditional masculine roles: tomboys. We don't literally refer to them as men, because they aren't. "man" and "woman" are not gender roles. If anything, the transgenderism movement is a toxic reinforcement of gender roles, not a denial of them.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trans athletes
« on: July 02, 2021, 03:40:05 PM »
Hot takes have landed.

i can't wait until all the "omg but you have to do what your genes say!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111222222223333333" people find out about eyeglasses.

if you're a genetic essentialist, i don't see how it's deniable.

You're going to have to go into more detail about this, since it's not immediately apparent what your point is. I presume this is intentional and definitely a passive aggressive form of dodging the debate entirely; something that's quite endemic to the transgender movement in general.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trans athletes
« on: July 02, 2021, 02:02:55 PM »
Transgenderism fundamentally doesn't make sense. A man who looks a lot like a woman and dresses like one is called a trap and traps are gay.

A man is a male human.

A woman is a female human.

People who are neither male or female are not man or woman. The transgenderism movement is just elites finding out how much they can gaslight modern society.

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The primary problem with the EU is that its structure heavily mimics the outdated and completely worthless UK parliamentary system (as do many other European nations). The irony that the UK can't handle being part of a government that's nearly an exact replica of their own government because it's incompetent is completely lost on them.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trans athletes
« on: June 05, 2021, 01:37:07 PM »
That's the opposite of what I was saying. I referred to the stereotypes, which I don't personally follow but I don't feel any less of a woman because of it.

I can't pretend to know what a trans person is thinking, but I can try to imagine what it would be like to feel so out of place with your body that you'd rather transition and put up with all this bullshit just to feel like yourself.

What does it mean to 'transition'. What key difference is there between, say, a regular man and a man who has 'transitioned' into a woman? What does one have that the other does not?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trans athletes
« on: June 05, 2021, 01:26:59 AM »
You're not going to get anything you want from me with this question. There is no one way to be or do anything. Hell, I break a lot of typical female stereotypes. I know of a couple trans women that are way more feminine than I am. This is pointless.

Why is being a woman related at all to being 'feminine', though? If a female human wears jeans, gymbros it up, drinks beers, does an infinite load of 'stereotypical man' cultural references, is there an inflection point where that female human *is* a man or is it a woman that chooses that lifestyle? It seems that you've dissolved enough of what the words mean to the point that they have no meaning at all, which is likely why you're having such an incredibly difficult time giving me a concrete definition of the words.

Here, I can define them easily: a man is a male human and a woman is a female human. And of course, there are people who are neither male nor female due to a disorder and those people are neither man nor woman.

Instead of modernizing what we once called 'gender roles', we've instead reinforced them so hardcore that people must literally identify as the opposing sex to perform the role they desire. Is that healthy?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trans athletes
« on: June 05, 2021, 12:59:08 AM »
Honestly, it's difficult for me to picture people without more descriptive characteristics. But, a child with maybe longer hair and maybe wearing a dress. But not all girls have long hair or like dresses and some boys do have long hair and like dresses. I just picture a kid.

People are so varied I don't have a prototype for "man" or "woman" without more prompting. I'd probably just end up picturing a man or woman I know.

You say that a girl isn't necessarily one that wears dresses or has long hair, so we can't go by physical choices, then. So, what does a girl have that a boy does not? If we go back to 'female brain', what does a female brain do that a male brain does not?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trans athletes
« on: June 04, 2021, 11:58:23 PM »
A girl is anyone who identifies as a girl.

This is the equivalent of me asking what a circle is and you answer "a circle is a circle". You didn't define what a girl is. What precisely does it mean to "identify as a girl"? Let's say you're reading a great book and it describes a character as a "young girl", what image is brought to your mind?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trans athletes
« on: June 04, 2021, 11:24:12 PM »
Well dang, I'm the same height as the (world) average man and have broader shoulders than average women. I even once dated a guy who had broader hips than me. And yes, my advantage was that I was the fastest girl on my soccer team. What a tragedy I had these advantages. Maybe they shouldn't have let me play with the other girls. 🙄

By the nature of the new wobbly definitions of what it means to be a man or a woman, by your description you already are a man. Congratulations.

None of you are doctors or are even using medical arguments. We already know the medically recommended treatment for trans people, some of you just don't like it or agree with it. And now you're all saying mutilation for shits and giggles even though pedantically speaking it is incorrect.

At one point, the most common prescription for a mental disorder was to remove the entirety of the patient's frontal cortex. This is simply an argument from authority and one that historically has never held up. Simply being the most common or most recommended treatment today doesn't mean it's a good one.

And I know you're not making these arguments for trans peoples' best interest because you continue to demean them. None of you are going around testing DNA to make sure the people you know are their born gender. You don't care about their well-being, you just think it's icky that a girl might have a penis.

Tell me, in your own words, what a girl is.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trans athletes
« on: June 04, 2021, 11:08:06 PM »
This argument hinges on making compassionate treatment and bending to delusion equivalent. Schizophrenic patients are treated with compassion and medication but at no point is other parts of society expected to bend to their schizophrenic beliefs. We do not recognize them as messiahs or take their remarks on aliens or the CIA seriously. Why then, must delusions from supposedly 'transexual' people be treated with such gravity? If a man believes he is a woman or if a woman believes she is a man, then he or she is mentally disordered. The treatment is not and should never be to just play into their pretending. No other mental disorder is treated by playing into the patient's delusions, why is this one any different?

this is a savagely misguided and antiquated understanding of psychological disorders — especially schizophrenia — but let's set that aside for a moment. suppose that it were the case that one could treat schizophrenics by indulging their beliefs. suppose you could just be like "yeah man, the cia and aliens, cool beans" and doing so made them happy, productive members of their communities instead of suicidal social pariahs. would you have a problem with that treatment option?

Yes, as this does not treat their core psychological problem. Outcome based treatment is how we ended up with lobotomies. Further, playing into a schizophrenic's beliefs is less damaging than a gender dysphoric patient, as indulging a belief in aliens doesn't require long term hormone therapy or body mutilation. Modern day treatment of gender dysphoria is a circus of treating the disorder by indulging the symptoms. There is something quite seriously wrong with both the mind and body when a patient exhibits gender dysphoria.

Let's say, for example, a patient exhibits body dysmorphia and demands their right arm be removed. They do this for several years on end, despite the guidance of psychologists, psychiatrists, and so on. Is it ultimately the better outcome to remove the patients right arm? I don't think it is. Do you?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trans athletes
« on: June 04, 2021, 01:41:14 PM »
You can call it whatever you want, but the phenomenon is very real. There are millions of people who feel the way they do, and they're not going to just "snap out of it" or go away no matter how certain you are that scientifically they shouldn't exist. We can either treat them with compassion or continue to marginalize and isolate them, and I feel that making appeals to scientific accuracy is a very poor justification for the latter, especially when the burden placed on society and individuals for "pandering" to them is such a trivial one.

This argument hinges on making compassionate treatment and bending to delusion equivalent. Schizophrenic patients are treated with compassion and medication but at no point is other parts of society expected to bend to their schizophrenic beliefs. We do not recognize them as messiahs or take their remarks on aliens or the CIA seriously. Why then, must delusions from supposedly 'transexual' people be treated with such gravity? If a man believes he is a woman or if a woman believes she is a man, then he or she is mentally disordered. The treatment is not and should never be to just play into their pretending. No other mental disorder is treated by playing into the patient's delusions, why is this one any different?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« on: June 04, 2021, 12:14:08 AM »
I am still not vaccinated. I'm sure it's only a matter of time before I die horribly from the flu.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trans athletes
« on: June 04, 2021, 12:03:23 AM »
This isn't about the best possible health outcomes for patients. It is ideologically driven left wing politics taken to its inevitable conclusion where it gets to ruin people's lives.

It is in part driven by the medical industry as sexual reassignment surgery is quite expensive and constitutes a lifelong addiction to drugs for the end user. Even left wing politics don't really care for it, rather this is Big Pharma smelling room for fiscal growth. You'll also notice that "Pride Month" is simply a targeted ad campaign and not politically relevant.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trans athletes
« on: June 03, 2021, 04:17:33 PM »
"LOL" isn't an answer. What did he get wrong?

When Rama gets blown out of arguments, he just says 'lol' and moves on. You get used to it. It's his attempt at using cool condescension and indifference to mask an aversion to conflict. It's annoying, but consistent and appreciably direct. There are many members here who consistently avoid engaging in direct arguments, Rama is one of them. You'll do well to start remembering them, so you know to just make your point and move on. Don't bother poking them further because all you'll get is multiple 'lol' posts instead of just one.

The current medical consensus is that gender dysphoria is much more nuanced and complex than "psychological issues", and gaining official recognition as the gender you choose to identify with is a lengthy process filled with painful obstacles - not quite the same as "deciding that you identify as a woman".

The general public have a very elevated opinion of their understanding of these sort of issues, but when it comes to actually showing that understanding, it usually turns out to be vanishingly small. Any argument here will be meaningless if we don't even know what we're arguing about.

That entirely depends on the legal system in question, with some governments or companies having more barriers than others. In some cases, such as certain private gyms, it can be as simple as claiming you identify as another gender. It's more nuanced than you think, but it's not necessarily as complex as you think.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trans athletes
« on: June 03, 2021, 01:10:52 AM »
Also, the number of trans women wanting to compete on female teams is vanishingly small and does not warrant the amount of attention that it is getting.

Are you saying that no one should care about or debate policies that only affect a small amount of people? I don't understand your point. Regardless, if a single transwoman is on a team, that affects the entire team as well as every team that specific team plays. It ultimately affects the entire sport.

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Technology & Information / Re: NFT my posts
« on: June 03, 2021, 01:03:10 AM »
I'll buy one Thork for -20,000 dollars

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« on: May 29, 2021, 01:59:07 AM »
Do you have any supporting evidence of this?  Anything that can verify that your family members were denied being able to see their doctor about their cancer?  Or do we just take your word for it?

Dave, if you could please refrain from asking for specifics on other member's families and their medical history, that would be great. You should be well aware that when someone provides such anecdotal evidence that saying "Do you have any evidence of that?" is not only silly (their statement is the evidence, you simply choose whether to believe it or not) but also against the forum rules as you are requesting more specific information about personal matters.

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Technology & Information / Re: Ask Rushy about Bitcoins.
« on: May 26, 2021, 10:57:46 PM »
Rushy, I have lost dozens of dollars in crypto. When should I sell?

Never sell.

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