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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: June 06, 2024, 02:33:03 PM »
I would not.  But Trump clearly did.

So let me get this straight, the trade war, that lowered our trade with China and increased tariffs, you don't like it, it was bad, but also you wouldn't have a problem with it? It seems more and more that your position is "I don't like Trump, he's a big meanie :(" and not based on any policy reality.

Don't need nuclear weapons like ICBMs, but a dirty bomb is effective in its own way.  And they know how to refine uranium.  I'm not sure they're too weak for war.  They just know they can't win against the US. 

A dirty bomb is not "nuclear technology" and also it's a Hollywood meme.

As opposed to the Taliban selling off girls for marriage THEN raping them legally. >_>
And the Taliban was ready, largely because Trump made a deal with them. 
And, of course, all the women who were no longer allowed to have a job or go to school.  Pretty sure they didn't support the taliban.  Not to mention the large amount of people who fled the country or tried to.  I'm sure they supported the government.  But keep looking at it with Trump tinted glasses.

I didn't say the Taliban is good. The Taliban is morally superior to the Afghani government that the US installed. The US really likes installing terrible governments, you pointed that out earlier with Iran.

So,if Trump wanted to do LESS buisness, why did he insist on doing more?

Did we actually do more business with China?

The Chinese Trade War ended with Trump DEMANDING and gettting (but they didn't follow through) China to have MORE business with America.
Saudi Arabia got weapons: https://www.forumarmstrade.org/resource-page---trump--saudi-arms-sales1.html
North Korea didn't get much except for some new sactions Trump put on Chineese shipping companies that go to NK being removed.  But we didn't do business with them anyway so can't do any less.
And nothing really changed under Trump with regards to Russia trade.  So... didn't do less there!

Can you name a dictator that Trump's actions and policy ended with the dictator doing LESS business with the US?

Let's see, does China and Russia ring any bells? You just admitted he reduced trade with China. Are you going to walk that back now? And Russia, Trump insisted that the EU stop relying on Russia for trade goods, and it worked to a slight extent. But let me guess, you think that's a bad thing now. We don't want to be too mean to Russia.

And that's cute how you think Putin was afraid of Trump.  Isn't the source for that particular rumor Trump himself?

Putin quite literally said he refused to invade Ukraine because Trump "didn't understand geopolitics". He waited until Biden entered office, as he knew Trump would "overreact" to the invasion. In much the same way you think Trump did something very bad when he had an Iranian general rightfully killed. Had Putin invaded Ukraine while Trump was president, Trump probably would have started ordering the deaths of Russian generals.

I don't live in the US so I've no real feel for how the economy is doing, but I've read some stuff which indicates the US economy is pretty strong right now. Although interestingly the perception is that it's doing poorly. There seems to be a gap between the perception and the reality
https://www.vox.com/politics/24094752/biden-trump-strong-economy-2024-inflation

Citing "the stock market is hitting all time highs!" while people in America are struggling with their grocery bills is precisely the kind of insanity I was making fun of you for earlier. Did you even read the article? "Unemployment is low, the fed rate is stable (at a high rate) and the stock market is hitting all time highs!" What in the good god does that have to do with the average person in a struggling economy? Nothing. It has nothing to do with the experience of the average person. The dollar is worth 15% less than it was just three years ago. Of fucking course the stock market is at an all-time-high!

Do you have any idea how frustrating it is to have media constantly present these "the economy is great, peasants, why are you so mad?" articles that are as disconnected from reality as you are? The average person in America can't give three shits about the stock market. The unemployment rate is so low because people are having to take multiple jobs just to not starve to death. The author of that article (and every other "the economy is great! why are you mad?) article should be fired from a cannon into the sun.

Because none of the "evidence" Trump presented stood up to any scrutiny.
If you're going make a claim like Trump did then you have to provide evidence and he couldn't. He spouted a load of baseless rhetoric on Twitter (before he got banned). Anyone can do that. But every time his claims were tested in court they failed. Every audit confirmed the initial results. There's just no credible evidence that the election was rigged against Trump.

It's almost like the lack of voter ID makes any evidence of voter fraud that much harder to track down, and yet one side is vehemently against the concept of introducing voter ID. Really makes me think.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: June 05, 2024, 07:21:51 PM »
Except a few bits like steel and aluminum, as well as washing machines.
China also kept their retalitory tarrifs and never purchased the extra $200 billion they promised to by 2021.  So the tarrifs are making things more expensive for Americans, China wasn't talk into removing theirs, and China didn't uphold their end of the deal.  Plus, farmers lost money during the two year war and some automakers moved production out of the US.  All in all, a loss for America.
https://www.piie.com/blogs/realtime-economics/china-bought-none-extra-200-billion-us-exports-trumps-trade-deal

Are you telling me that you prefer to trade with a fascist nation?

That the US backed and put into power.  But more importantly, they have nuclear technology, and any new war in the middle east would cause oil prices to increase, which is the only reason we don't treat that area like Africa.

What does "nuclear technology" mean? Iran doesn't have nuclear weapons, and never will, if that's what you're implying. Further, the entire point of harassing Iran is to keep them too weak to go to war.

It is a big deal, yes.

Nice opinion.

The Taliban taking back power was a good thing?

Unironically, yes. There's only so many stories of the Afghani government raping children that I'd like to hear before acknowledging that the Taliban wasn't so bad after all. The interim government collapsed overnight because no one in the country supported it, I can't imagine why! 

Farmers struggled BECAUSE of the Trade War. 
And the whole war was fought, partly,  to get China to buy more of our agricultural exports.  So Trump wanted to have more trade with China, not less.

Also, you do remember how Trump interacted with more mindless dictatorships than most presidents?  How he said nice things about President Xi, Putin, and Kim Jong Un?  Or did you forget that?

Ah yes, he said "nice things" about dictatorships, will consistently insisting that we should do less business with them. I can't believe he would do one thing and say another, I didn't think it was even possible to do that!

Trump loved Putin that Putin was terrified to invade Ukraine while Trump was still in office. Really makes you think.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: June 05, 2024, 04:13:02 PM »
All fair. I would note that the economy was already expanding when he arrived, he didn't do anything to stop it but I'm not sure how much credit he should get for it.

It's not a coincidence that the Fed could only begin raising rates the moment Trump won the election.

The economy hasn't done badly under Biden, has it?

Are you trying to tell me that the one thing causing Biden to get curbstomped in the polls is also the one thing you think he did well? Out of everything you could positively say about Biden "his economy hasn't done badly" might be just the most insane take I've ever read.

So sure, the US didn't collapse in to a heap under Trump - I'd note it hasn't under Biden either. But Trump's actions during his presidency and in the aftermath of him losing in 2020 potentially undermine the very office of president and faith in US democracy, given how his followers lap up his every word about how it was all rigged against him.

Why are you so sure it wasn't rigged against him?

He fought a pointless trade war with China and lost.

Huh? None of the "trade war" policies against China were changed by Biden. That's one of the things I think he's done right regarding the economy. How exactly did Trump "lose" the trade war?

He rebegotiated NAFTA just to change the name.
He met with Putin and threw his own intelligence agency under the bus because Putin said so.

...and other things that happened entirely in Dave's head!

Oh and he assassinated a very well liked Iranian General.  Good thing Iran chose not to retaliate. 

Oh no! The last thing I would like to do is hurt a backwards theocracy backing terrorists! :(

He posted a secret military spy sattelite image that probably helped our enemies more than it helped his popularity.

Oh no, now they can roughly guess the resolution of a single satellite. The horror.

And, as many conservatives point out: Biden pulled us out of the Middle East and gave it back to the Taliban.  Planned by Trump, of course but... You know, details.

Yes, and that was a good thing.

And I'm not sure how you say he expanded the economy.  In what way?  The trade war and paying billions to farmers to offset their loss?

I'm sorry, would you prefer farmers collectively go bankrupt and most of the world starve to death? US farmers feed a lot more than the US, you know. Ironically, we were responsible for most of China's agricultural imports until we made it clear that we prefer to interact with mindless dictatorships a little less.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: June 05, 2024, 02:26:09 PM »
Do you like this list better? It puts Jackson as the worst

No it doesn't, lol.

https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/presidents-ranked-worst-best/4/

And still has Trump as 3rd worst.

Obviously this is subjective.
Equally obviously I'm mostly just trolling Tom.
But Trump isn't exactly going to go down in history as a great president, is he? He blundered and lied his way through his Presidency and then pouted and sulked when he lost the next election and refused to admit he lost. If anyone vaguely competent was running against him there's no way he'd be re-elected.

This list is almost exactly the same as US News...

Trump expanded the US economy, was the first to take war with China and Russia seriously, and, most importantly, was the first president in decades to finally pull out of the Middle East. Better yet, he started zero coups and wars in the Middle East. What, precisely, is so terrible about him? It feels like anyone who doesn't like Trump really just boils down to "I don't like the way he says things, he is a big meaniehead :("

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: June 05, 2024, 01:42:21 PM »
The 3rd worst in history and the only living person in the bottom 10:

https://www.usnews.com/news/special-reports/the-worst-presidents/slideshows/the-10-worst-presidents?onepage

I ranked you as the 3rd worst person to ever exist, haha, lmao, owned. Kind of a funny list of "worst presidents", don't you think? They even put an "honorable mention" of George Bush at the bottom, but suspiciously, I don't see Andrew Jackson on this list. You know, the president that owned plantations and slaves, shot people who disagreed with him (literally, for disagreeing with him) and enacted genocide on several Native American tribes. Yet, he's not on this magical list of worst presidents. It makes me suspect whoever compiled this list of "worst presidents" doesn't have a very firm grasp on what that even means.

It's almost like someone quickly compiled a list of "worst presidents" just to toss in presidents they don't like (and chose some other random presidents that weren't even that bad to make it look "fair"). Even more hilarious that the title of the article is "not all U.S. presidents are missed once they leave the White House" when Trump is neck-and-neck in polling and getting very close to winning a second election. Quite literally over a hundred million people in this country miss him.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: June 04, 2024, 11:00:30 PM »
Because he broke the law doing it.  Which was the dumbass part.  Like, he should have had more than enough money to just pay it off himself with his own personal funds.  But he didn't because then it would be public but totally legal.  Again, total dumbass move.  By contrast, Hillary Clinton did illegal things, used connections to get debate questions ahead of time, and maybe killed somone but was sly enough to either not get caught or be legal about it.  So why would I want someone like Trump to run America?  Someone who couldn't even get a porn star paid off without doing it illegally AND getting caught?  Hell, he couldn't even assassinate somoene discreetly. 

So yeah, if a president is gonna do something shady and illegal, I'd want to make sure they're smart enough to cover their tracks.  Because a smart president is better for America than one who fumbles around and yells about it when he fails.

Wouldn't you prefer a president that can't do anything illegal without getting caught over a president that will get away with numerous illegal things? Bragging about how "smart" a highly corrupt candidate is by doing illegal shit all the time isn't the gotcha you think it is. Did you vote for Hillary while thinking she literally kills people she doesn't like?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: June 04, 2024, 06:08:00 PM »
Paying off a whore is fine.  Its hiding it like a dumbass, thats the problem.

And to that I say: so?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: June 04, 2024, 05:13:21 PM »
Surely, of all the things Trump has done and what he has supposedly done, and knowing that, I cannot bring myself to care about him paying off whores. If anything, I think the media consistently concentrating on this whore payoff scandal is hurting Biden more than helping him. None of the polls since the trial verdict seem to have budged. Biden is looking at making an executive order for the southern border, which reeks of desperation. If y'all don't want another 4 years of Trump, you're going to have to start talking about something more serious than "he paid off a whore and it didn't work because she tried to ruin him anyway!"

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: May 31, 2024, 05:04:48 PM »
This is an often repeated phrase now, "a convicted felon", but who really cares? Would Democrats vote for a "convicted felon"? The answer is yes. Would Republicans? I think it's obviously also yes.

I don't think there is a single person that was voting for Trump and switched to Biden after the verdict. Trump voters see it as a sham trial that reinforces Trump's "deep state" narrative. Biden voters weren't going to vote for Trump, even if he wasn't found guilty. The outcome of the trial quite simply didn't matter. It was already baked into existing polls.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cnll59r891xo

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Polls indicate he is in a statistical dead heat with President Joe Biden and maintains a slight edge in many key swing states that will decide the election. But those surveys also provide evidence that this conviction might change all of that.
In exit polls conducted during the Republican primaries this winter, double-digit numbers of voters said that they would not vote for the former president if he were convicted of a felony.
An April survey by Ipsos and ABC News found that 16% of those backing Trump would reconsider their support in such a situation.

I find the idea of someone who would vote for Trump unless he was found guilty of a finance crime comedic but if the polls say they exist then so be it.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: May 31, 2024, 03:52:47 PM »
The number of moderates that were deciding who to vote for based entirely on the outcome of a porn star payoff trial is precisely zero. If you were voting for Trump, the outcome of the trial didn't matter. If you weren't voting for Trump, the outcome of the trial didn't matter.
Not entirely. But the fact Trump is now a convicted felon isn’t going to make anyone reconsider? I’m not saying you’re wrong but it would be a bit weird if this wasn’t a factor for anyone

This is an often repeated phrase now, "a convicted felon", but who really cares? Would Democrats vote for a "convicted felon"? The answer is yes. Would Republicans? I think it's obviously also yes.

I don't think there is a single person that was voting for Trump and switched to Biden after the verdict. Trump voters see it as a sham trial that reinforces Trump's "deep state" narrative. Biden voters weren't going to vote for Trump, even if he wasn't found guilty. The outcome of the trial quite simply didn't matter. It was already baked into existing polls.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: May 30, 2024, 10:00:41 PM »
The number of moderates that were deciding who to vote for based entirely on the outcome of a porn star payoff trial is precisely zero. If you were voting for Trump, the outcome of the trial didn't matter. If you weren't voting for Trump, the outcome of the trial didn't matter.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Covid-19 vaccine two shots
« on: May 13, 2024, 03:00:42 PM »
The vaccine was created to modify political views and eventually control the mind; ironically, the people most likely to take the vaccine were the least in need of mind control. They were already subservient to big brother. You wouldn't notice any difference in their behavior before and after taking the vaccine.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Man or bear?
« on: May 11, 2024, 07:16:19 PM »
I'd prefer it to be a moose. I feel like a moose and I could just let each other be. There would be an unspoken understanding between us that its mooseness and my humanness present no legitimate potential for conflict. Thus harmony prevails.

Praise the moose.

Please be careful. While moose aren't usually aggressive towards people, they're such enormous animals that they pose an inherent risk, and they can lash out if they feel threatened.

A Møøse once bit my sister

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Man or bear?
« on: May 10, 2024, 04:37:06 PM »
You're in the woodlands of northern Canada, it's cold. The sun is setting. And yet, you see something in the distance. What could it be? It could be a man. It could be a bear. Which one do you choose?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: April 24, 2024, 04:17:23 PM »
The fact that Secret Service protection for former presidents is an entirely optional service that the protectee is free to decline is enough to prove that this is wrong, and even if it weren't, a little bit of common sense will quickly point out the flaws in that theory.

Is it optional or is it "optional"?

Do the Secret Service agents monitor their protectee's phone or intercept and read everything they write down?

Yes.

Do they suddenly rush in and get uncomfortably close so they can eavesdrop if their protectee is whispering in someone else's ear?

Whispering is not a valid method of information concealment, so why does it matter?

Their job is to protect VIPs, not to monitor or control them.

That's where you're wrong, kiddo.


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Even if Trump were sentenced to "prison" it would likely end up a form of house arrest. Trump isn't going to go to some random state or federal prison...Allowing a rambling old man who knows more national security information than most people into a prison is ridiculous.

I agree, but nevertheless, this would be impossible with the Secret Service in their current form. Legislation would be needed to either strip convicted felons of their Secret Service protection and let another agency handle the imprisonment or expand the Secret Service's functions to include providing custody of such a prisoner. I don't think anyone who matters was ever seriously suggesting we should just fling Trump into the general population of any given prison and let him fend for himself, which is exactly why the cries of "they want Trump murdered!" are so disingenuous.

This is what Action80 is talking about, if anyone's wondering and doesn't want to click his link. There's no one single case against Powell, there's no mention of this case being considered "frivolous," and I don't really think it's all that big of a deal whether or not Powell ends up being "disciplined" by the Texas Bar at all.

The Secret Service monitoring a person to the point that they are effectively a prisoner is already what they do.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: April 20, 2024, 03:35:48 PM »
I'm just saying that you can't imprison someone with Secret Service protection.

That's not remotely true, especially for a high profile prisoner. Even if Trump were sentenced to "prison" it would likely end up a form of house arrest. Trump isn't going to go to some random state or federal prison. The Secret Service ensure Trump can't reveal things to people just as much as they protect him. Allowing a rambling old man who knows more national security information than most people into a prison is ridiculous.

Even cops have their own special protection and service personnel in prisons. I'd say Trump is quite a bit more high profile than random cops.

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Arts & Entertainment / Re: Superhero Movies & Comics General
« on: April 18, 2024, 02:11:35 PM »
You're not wrong. I just think it's interesting that of all capeshit films, it's the R-rated psychological thriller with no action or explosions where its most enthusiastic fans quickly make it clear how young and inexperienced they are.

Joker's particular brand of edgy emo behavior is mental cocaine to teens and tweens alike. His "that feel when no gf",  "world is so mean to me for no reason" and "my job sucks" whining during the movie really hits it off with younger audiences. While, yes, there are deeper narratives in the film, those are the sorts of concepts younger audiences will identify with in the movie. It's a simple "he's literally me" movie for a lot of them. Especially since the end result is him rebelling against authority figures and lashing out.

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Arts & Entertainment / Re: Superhero Movies & Comics General
« on: April 15, 2024, 05:04:19 PM »
It would actually explain a lot if the bulk of the movie's fanbase were teenagers.

Well it certainly makes perfect sense that the primary component of a movie's fanbase is the demographic that the entire genre is built around. It's sort of like being surprised that Transformer films are mostly viewed by teenagers as well.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: April 13, 2024, 12:54:28 PM »
So.... does that mean that some of the non-trump republicans would vote for Biden instead?

I doubt it's Republicans switching. It's likely independents seesawing between Trump and Biden based on whatever the most recent headlines are.

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