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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: US Presidential Election 2024

« Last post by markjo on September 26, 2024, 05:33:25 PM »

According to the article I linked…

Trump and Vance, a U.S. senator from Ohio, are charged with disrupting public services, making false alarms, telecommunications harassment, aggravated menacing and complicity.

Yes, it’s doubtful that the case will go anywhere, but it’s yet another example of the number of fucks that Trump gives about the truth and the potential consequences of his words and actions.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: US Presidential Election 2024

« Last post by honk on September 26, 2024, 03:22:12 PM »

Even tho it caused bomb threats?
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/bomb-threats-force-second-consecutive-day-school-closures-springfield-rcna171043

Yes.

Defamation is not protected speech.

Nor is it a crime. In any case, defamation has nothing to do with this particular case, as they're trying to hit Trump and Vance with criminal charges that I'm pretty sure took some creativity to dream up. I'm not going to spend time looking at the relevant statutes, but looking at "making false alarms" as an example - come on, that's meant to be for actual, literal alarms, like pulling a fire alarm as a prank, or causing a disturbance by yelling about a fire or a mass shooter or whatever in a public place. It doesn't mean that someone says something false and someone else hundreds of miles away feels "alarmed" by it. That's just wordplay.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: US Presidential Election 2024

« Last post by markjo on September 26, 2024, 02:43:47 PM »

I think it can be inferred that the prosecutor told them to get bent and they decided to scam gullible people like yourself into thinking they have a case when they obviously do not.

Take another look at the aftermath of them doubling and tripling down on their lies and tell me that they didn’t do anything wrong.

You should not be cheering on attempts to waste justice system resources in the pursuit of personal profit just because you don't like Trump.

What personal profit?  It’s a criminal case being filed, not a civil one.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: US Presidential Election 2024

« Last post by Rushy on September 26, 2024, 02:12:08 PM »

I did read the article and I didn't see where the local prosecutor said anything of the sort.  Just because there was no action doesn't mean that Trump and Vance didn't do anything wrong.

Gee, markjo, I didn't realize you're unable to analyze a situation unless someone tells you word-for-word what happened like you're a toddler. I think it can be inferred that the prosecutor told them to get bent and they decided to scam gullible people like yourself into thinking they have a case when they obviously do not. You should not be cheering on attempts to waste justice system resources in the pursuit of personal profit just because you don't like Trump.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: US Presidential Election 2024

« Last post by markjo on September 26, 2024, 04:04:04 AM »

Did you even read the article?

The Haitian Bridge Alliance made the move after inaction by the local prosecutor

The local prosecutor told them what Trump did isn't against the law.

I did read the article and I didn't see where the local prosecutor said anything of the sort.  Just because there was no action doesn't mean that Trump and Vance didn't do anything wrong. 

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Science & Alternative Science / Re: Nuclear Bombs Do Not Exist

« Last post by Rushy on September 26, 2024, 01:20:38 AM »

https://united24media.com/war-in-ukraine/a-timeline-of-russias-nuclear-threats-against-the-west-947

Here's a big scary list of all the times Russia has brought up using weapons that don't exist and then, unsurprisingly, not using them.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: US Presidential Election 2024

« Last post by Rushy on September 26, 2024, 12:46:43 AM »

There is zero chance of this even making it past a prosecutor's desk, let alone holding up in court. Everything Trump and Vance have said is one hundred percent protected by the First Amendment.

Defamation is not protected speech.

Did you even read the article?

The Haitian Bridge Alliance made the move after inaction by the local prosecutor

The local prosecutor told them what Trump did isn't against the law. They're spending their own money and time bringing pointless charges, probably in the hopes that it will bring in donations from morons. They already know they're not going to win and it'll be thrown out of court before going to trial.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: US Presidential Election 2024

« Last post by markjo on September 25, 2024, 11:28:43 PM »

There is zero chance of this even making it past a prosecutor's desk, let alone holding up in court. Everything Trump and Vance have said is one hundred percent protected by the First Amendment.

Defamation is not protected speech.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: US Presidential Election 2024

« Last post by Lord Dave on September 25, 2024, 09:11:54 AM »

So, we're going with "incompetence" for this one, it seems.

No, just standard politicking. No more necessarily incompetent than any other politician who does this kind of thing, which is all of them.

And the criminal charges keep piling up.

COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) — The leader of a nonprofit representing the Haitian community invoked a private-citizen right to file charges Tuesday against former President Donald Trump and his running mate, JD Vance, over the chaos and threats experienced by Springfield, Ohio, since Trump first spread false claims about legal immigrants there during a presidential debate.

There is zero chance of this even making it past a prosecutor's desk, let alone holding up in court. Everything Trump and Vance have said is one hundred percent protected by the First Amendment.

Even tho it caused bomb threats?
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/bomb-threats-force-second-consecutive-day-school-closures-springfield-rcna171043

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: US Presidential Election 2024

« Last post by honk on September 25, 2024, 03:41:29 AM »

So, we're going with "incompetence" for this one, it seems.

No, just standard politicking. No more necessarily incompetent than any other politician who does this kind of thing, which is all of them.

And the criminal charges keep piling up.

COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) — The leader of a nonprofit representing the Haitian community invoked a private-citizen right to file charges Tuesday against former President Donald Trump and his running mate, JD Vance, over the chaos and threats experienced by Springfield, Ohio, since Trump first spread false claims about legal immigrants there during a presidential debate.

There is zero chance of this even making it past a prosecutor's desk, let alone holding up in court. Everything Trump and Vance have said is one hundred percent protected by the First Amendment.