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Re: Is Islam a radical religion or is everyone else wrong?
« Reply #40 on: December 18, 2013, 01:16:06 AM »
The problem isn't Islam, it's the feudalistic and decentralized system of government in the former Ottoman Empire
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Re: Is Islam a radical religion or is everyone else wrong?
« Reply #41 on: December 18, 2013, 01:26:17 AM »
Very hatful the muslims.

Lots of hats in that room.
What the heck are you talking about?
The hats...what do you think he's talking about?   You made the observation that they're hatfull.  Yes, they do like their hats, or more accurately known as the 'taqiyah' which is worn by men, and the 'hijab', worn by women.   

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Re: Is Islam a radical religion or is everyone else wrong?
« Reply #42 on: December 18, 2013, 02:35:41 AM »
Well, we Jews like our hats too. :) The discussion doesn't involve Marxism-Leninism-Thought of Mao, so I shan't go there. I apologised only for the harshness of my rhetoric, & not for my views on Muslims generally or Arabs particularly, as I feel they are correct. As re: the Ottoman Empire, it is true that the government thereof gave what later became British Mandate Palestine alot of the issues it still has, but that does not account for the fact that Muslims divide the world into the House of Islam & the House of Unbelief. According to Shariah, the best a Christian, Jew, or Zoroastrian can ask for under Muslim rule is Dhimmi status, ie, 2nd class citizenship. The worst is modern-day Saudi Arabia, where being anything other than a Muslim (if one is a citizen) is punishable by death. All the pc rubbish in the world about 'the religion of peace' won't change that fact.
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Re: Is Islam a radical religion or is everyone else wrong?
« Reply #43 on: December 18, 2013, 03:46:52 AM »
I do reasonably well w/ Marx, & much better w/ Mao. I never claimed expertness w/ any of them. I haven't been a Communist that long after all. Re: Muslims & Arabs, I was told people were offended. In my opinion, I said nothing offensive, only true. But others disagreed. I apologised for them, not for me. I agreed to modify my language in order not to be banned. Frankly, I think I was being kind.

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Re: Is Islam a radical religion or is everyone else wrong?
« Reply #44 on: December 18, 2013, 06:19:31 AM »
I apologised only because an administrator saw fit to advise me that I was being offensive. I don't think I was. But if it smooths conversation, hey, I'm all for diplomacy. As for my politics, I don't need to excuse myself to you. I choose the CPUSA because it is the closest fit to my admittedly Maoist beliefs, since I don't advocate armed revolution as Bob Avakian does. I never said it was a perfect fit. To put it bluntly, I advise you to go take a quarter & find somebody who wants to listen to you, & while you're @ it, to go f--k yourself. Have a pleasant evening. I have a video game to play.

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Re: Is Islam a radical religion or is everyone else wrong?
« Reply #45 on: December 18, 2013, 06:27:54 AM »
I just don't understand why you're so incredulous when you said that all Islams should be escorted out of America and Israel at gunpoint. Just about no one would argue that's an extremist viewpoint. I'm not saying you should apologize, but you should at least acknowledge the fact that your views are unusual and not seek out to offend/piss off as many people as possible. At that point you're just stooping to EJ's level.

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Re: Is Islam a radical religion or is everyone else wrong?
« Reply #46 on: December 18, 2013, 06:53:04 AM »
I never disputed that my views on that subject are pretty radical.

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Re: Is Islam a radical religion or is everyone else wrong?
« Reply #47 on: December 18, 2013, 12:49:54 PM »
The problem isn't Islam, it's the feudalistic and decentralized system of government in the former Ottoman Empire
Aren't the two the same thing, at least to some extent? Many Muslim governments are based on Islam, and Islam was therefore shaped in a political way.
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Re: Is Islam a radical religion or is everyone else wrong?
« Reply #48 on: December 18, 2013, 01:17:19 PM »
The problem isn't Islam, it's the feudalistic and decentralized system of government in the former Ottoman Empire
Aren't the two the same thing, at least to some extent? Many Muslim governments are based on Islam, and Islam was therefore shaped in a political way.

But couldn't the same be said of Christianity and feudal Europe? I'd argue that the religion is blameless, because when it's taken out of the context of the feudal system it loses most of its problems. American Muslims are not violent any more than American Christians or American Jews, nor are they more misogynistic or heterophobic.
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Re: Is Islam a radical religion or is everyone else wrong?
« Reply #49 on: December 18, 2013, 01:33:56 PM »
All ethnic & political views aside re: Islam, I've often observed that where Islam is at about 1400 yrs old, Christianity was @ that age. Judaism was also pretty warlike in the Bible. Perhaps when a religion matures a bit, that kind of thing fades a bit?

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Re: Is Islam a radical religion or is everyone else wrong?
« Reply #50 on: December 18, 2013, 01:54:45 PM »
I've noticed that as well. My theory about it is that religions tend to form at a particular point in an empire's life, and that great empires tend to last for similar amounts of time. Thus, they tend to fall when the religion is at that certain age. This is just my speculation, though.
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Re: Is Islam a radical religion or is everyone else wrong?
« Reply #51 on: December 18, 2013, 02:13:15 PM »
Tausami, I think that the imperial connection, while definitely present, isn't as relevant as the religion itself. For example, Islam was founded when the Arabs were a ragtag band of savage, disunited warlike tribes, preying on each other & anyone else in the area. It was Islam that united them & made them a powerful state that was almost unstoppable as they barrelled out of  Arabia & conquered everything from India almost to Barcelona in about 80 yrs. Christianity unified the Roman Imperial State. Ancient Israelite Faith unified the bickering 12 Tribes under 1st Judges, & then Kings. Certainly, though, it can be said that in all 3 cases, after unification, the governments in question gave a boost to their respective faiths.

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Re: Is Islam a radical religion or is everyone else wrong?
« Reply #52 on: December 18, 2013, 02:21:56 PM »
Very hatful the muslims.

Lots of hats in that room.
What the heck are you talking about?

The Hatful muslims.

They certainly are a group with decidedly millinery predilections.

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Re: Is Islam a radical religion or is everyone else wrong?
« Reply #53 on: December 18, 2013, 07:41:04 PM »
Tausami, I think that the imperial connection, while definitely present, isn't as relevant as the religion itself. For example, Islam was founded when the Arabs were a ragtag band of savage, disunited warlike tribes, preying on each other & anyone else in the area. It was Islam that united them & made them a powerful state that was almost unstoppable as they barrelled out of  Arabia & conquered everything from India almost to Barcelona in about 80 yrs. Christianity unified the Roman Imperial State. Ancient Israelite Faith unified the bickering 12 Tribes under 1st Judges, & then Kings. Certainly, though, it can be said that in all 3 cases, after unification, the governments in question gave a boost to their respective faiths.

Absolutely. However, the religion is not defined by the empire even when the empire is defined by the religion. To a significant extent religions are a blank slate onto which the powerful project themselves. In America homophobes project their homophobia onto Christianity and use it to justify their bigotry, and in the Islamic world misogynists and feudal (war) lords do the same. It's hardly the religion's fault.
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Re: Is Islam a radical religion or is everyone else wrong?
« Reply #54 on: December 18, 2013, 11:28:06 PM »
This is the question put forward by this video.  Have a watch and tell me what you think:



(Except Yaakov, we know you hate Muslims)
Islam is defianteley a radicel religion and is extremeley sexist and hatful. Plus its all just kiling and bombs. The people in englend are all saying they dont want the moslems and I agree I dont want them in my countrey ether all they do is kill. GET THEM OUT!!!

Keep this act in AR please. It's more bigoted than Yaakov.
How is it more bigoted than yakoov he called African Americans SAVAGES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm not touching this w/ a 10 metre cattle prod. Finding myself in agreement w/ the Troll may be shock enough to give me a 2nd heart attack. & 2 before age 40...
This just proves that im not a troll I have views that any comon man can agree with
Very hatful the muslims.

Lots of hats in that room.
What the heck are you talking about?
The hats...what do you think he's talking about?   You made the observation that they're hatfull.  Yes, they do like their hats, or more accurately known as the 'taqiyah' which is worn by men, and the 'hijab', worn by women.   
I ment to spel hateful moron
I just don't understand why you're so incredulous when you said that all Islams should be escorted out of America and Israel at gunpoint. Just about no one would argue that's an extremist viewpoint. I'm not saying you should apologize, but you should at least acknowledge the fact that your views are unusual and not seek out to offend/piss off as many people as possible. At that point you're just stooping to EJ's level.
What do you mean "stooping to EJs level?" Im not the one whos being rascist here yakoov is
Very hatful the muslims.

Lots of hats in that room.
What the heck are you talking about?

The Hatful muslims.

They certainly are a group with decidedly millinery predilections.
What?
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Re: Is Islam a radical religion or is everyone else wrong?
« Reply #55 on: December 18, 2013, 11:36:08 PM »
they wear a lot of hats.

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Re: Is Islam a radical religion or is everyone else wrong?
« Reply #56 on: December 19, 2013, 12:25:33 AM »
Time to break out the popcorn & watch the show.

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Re: Is Islam a radical religion or is everyone else wrong?
« Reply #57 on: December 19, 2013, 05:45:26 PM »
I ment to spel hateful moron
Oh..... You meant to spell "hateful moron".  I understand now.  It sure would have helped if you hadn't forgotten the 'e' in addition to the entire second half (moron) of the implied nomenclature in your original sentence.  'Hateful moron' doesn't really fit with the structure of the original sentence though.



*edit- I just want to apologize to everyone else while I'm thinking about it.  Hanging out at that bridge with a feedbag in my hand is just too inviting.
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Re: Is Islam a radical religion or is everyone else wrong?
« Reply #58 on: December 19, 2013, 05:59:08 PM »
Oh, those Muslims & their hats, now! Who knows, maybe they're hateful hats? Or moronic hats? Or maybe, to be fair to them, just hats.

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Re: Is Islam a radical religion or is everyone else wrong?
« Reply #59 on: December 21, 2013, 12:14:34 AM »
they wear a lot of hats.
Pff thats probeley where they hide there bombs
Time to break out the popcorn & watch the show.
Such a troll. Not even funny
I ment to spel hateful moron
Oh..... You meant to spell "hateful moron".  I understand now.  It sure would have helped if you hadn't forgotten the 'e' in addition to the entire second half (moron) of the implied nomenclature in your original sentence.  'Hateful moron' doesn't really fit with the structure of the original sentence though.



*edit- I just want to apologize to everyone else while I'm thinking about it.  Hanging out at that bridge with a feedbag in my hand is just too inviting.
How does it nog fit into the sentence?
Oh, those Muslims & their hats, now! Who knows, maybe they're hateful hats? Or moronic hats? Or maybe, to be fair to them, just hats.
There hate. Thats what islams are
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