[rooster]

Exposing yourself to and jerking off in front of unconsenting women is not normal, not commonplace, and absolutely is criminal. C.K. has done this several times to multiple different women over the course of many years. He's not just a creep, he's a sex pest. Are you really, really using this guy as your example of someone who deserves lenience?

Didn't he ask first though? Most of the women said he asked first and they thought it was a joke so responded like "okay.."

“At the time, I said to myself that what I did was okay because I never showed a woman my dick without asking first, which is also true,” - Louis C.K. but also backed up by the women who came forward. And while I get it's an abuse of power or at least extremely inappropriate, he still asked and that makes it less horrible imo.

[Rama Set]

I think there was another case where he was on the phone with a writer and just started masturbating and told her.

That being said, I think everyone agrees that the MeToo movement is a positive thing as long as it doesn’t turn in to every man accused having his life shattered. So far almost every case has seemed fairly just to me. Louis CK could very well make a comeback, we don’t know right now. The media worked out the Aziz Ansari case and it settled right around where it should. The woman who is credited with creating the movement along with many other feminists have voiced many of the same concerns that have been written here, so I think this will all turn out for the better.

Of course there will be idiots who will tweet, “Some guy told me I was cute. #MeToo”, but they will be a minority and there will also be liars, but they too will almost surely be a minority. Let’s just take a moment in history unfold and learn what we can.

PS This conversation maybe needs to be split off or merged in to the Sex Scandals thread.

[juner]

PS This conversation maybe needs to be split off or merged in to the Sex Scandals thread.

Agree. Done.

[honk]

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/louis-cks-path-a-comeback-runs-comedy-clubs-1100976

See, the groundwork is already being laid for C.K.'s redemption. Let's all take solace in the fact that his punishment for his years of sexual predation won't be too severe.

[Dither]

Skip to 3.30 for a confession of sorts...

[Pickel B Gravel]

If you're a Moore supporter its something.  That's all they need to keep denying it.

It underscores the problem with a 2 party system.
No matter how bad your candidate is as a human being, you can't afford to have "The enemy" in office so you go with your party.

Exactly! That's why I supported 2016 Green party candidate Dr Jill Stein. The lesser of two evils is a logical fallacy. And the two parties of the USA actually work together to keep third parties down. They ignore rank choice voting, set up next-to-impossible criteria for parties to be eligible for campaign funding and ballot access, and they control the televised debates and makes it almost impossible for third party candidates to participate in the debates. I personally believe that the two parties are two sides of the same coin that are controlled by the elite class.

[honk]

https://variety.com/2018/biz/news/louis-c-k-performs-first-stand-up-set-since-harassment-allegations-1202918581/

And he's back. It hasn't been even a year of inactivity for him, but he's ready to just pick up the pieces and resume his career. I'm not trying to jeer about how I told you so (I didn't even tell you so, as this is far sooner than I expected), but stress the point that the #metoo movement is not destroying lives and ending careers, and that we are far, far from the point where we need to be worrying about excessive punishment for the abusive behavior of powerful men.

[Rama Set]

What do you think about Asia Argento?

[juner]

https://variety.com/2018/biz/news/louis-c-k-performs-first-stand-up-set-since-harassment-allegations-1202918581/

And he's back. It hasn't been even a year of inactivity for him, but he's ready to just pick up the pieces and resume his career. I'm not trying to jeer about how I told you so (I didn't even tell you so, as this is far sooner than I expected), but stress the point that the #metoo movement is not destroying lives and ending careers, and that we are far, far from the point where we need to be worrying about excessive punishment for the abusive behavior of powerful men.

I am glad he is back. He shouldn't have taken so much time off in the first place. But you pretending to be offended that he wasn't cast away forever is pretty entertaining.

[Rama Set]

I am pretty sure he will never get an HBO deal again.

[honk]

wtf Neil

This one honestly hurts a lot.

[Crudblud]

wtf Neil

This one honestly hurts a lot.

It's okay, he's a feminist.

[honk]

At this point, I think the majority of celebrities who have been outed as creeps have been of the very publicly progressive or feminist kind.

[Dr Van Nostrand]

At this point, I think the majority of celebrities who have been outed as creeps have been of the very publicly progressive or feminist kind.

But there is also the coalition of King PussyGrabber, Matt Gaetz, Mark Robinson and the rest of the Republican Hee Haw gang.

But it's ok, Marjorie Taylor Greene is about to blow the lid off the whole deal just like she did with the Jewish space lasers.
https://www.washingtoninformer.com/gop-faced-with-scandal-marjorie-taylor-greene/

[flannel jesus]

I don't think sexual predators are limited to a party at all, I think that's honestly pretty clear. If it's not clear to someone, I feel like maybe they aren't paying attention.

[honk]

I wasn't really trying to make a political point; I was just saying that Gaiman being a feminist as well as a sexual predator isn't a brand-new wrinkle we've never seen before. I do think, though, that Gaiman will be hurt by this a lot more than other celebrities, because his work has drawn such a progressive and feminist fanbase. Louis CK had plenty of edgelord fans to back him up when his career took a hit; Gaiman does not.

[Lord Dave]

Often times you promote the opposite of what you hide to avoid being called out or to introduce plausible deniability.

[Crudblud]

Louis CK had plenty of edgelord fans to back him up when his career took a hit; Gaiman does not.

Louis CK also wasn't accused of anything nearly as extreme as Gaiman, plus he admitted it and apologised. Gaiman is going all in on self-pitying apologia, which is only going to blow up in his face if/when it turns out even half of what he's accused of is true.