It's legal to kill across country borders...
« on: February 21, 2017, 12:15:51 PM »
I totally did not know this:
http://www.npr.org/2017/02/21/515625917/supreme-court-to-decide-if-mexican-nationals-may-sue-for-border-shooting

Summary:
Border Agent sees kids playing near the US/Mexico border.
Border agent grabs one through the fence, shoots at another hiding behind a concrete column holding up a railroad track.
Kid is shot in the head, dies, and border agents(who arrived later) leave.

The us refuses to extradite him or punish him in any way.  Border agent claims it was self defense cause he was surrounded by rock throwing kids.
Cell video says otherwise.


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Re: It's legal to kill across country borders...
« Reply #1 on: February 21, 2017, 12:34:07 PM »

And then the US whines about everybody wanting to blow the fuck out of them
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« Reply #2 on: February 24, 2017, 02:32:59 PM »
Presumably this should require a declaration of war.
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Re: It's legal to kill across country borders...
« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2017, 02:10:13 AM »
What the border agent did was wrong and should be convicted for murder if what you say is true. However how old are these "kids"? I'm in no way justifying what he did but I don't want to make it any worse than it should be.
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« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2017, 02:18:28 AM »
According to OP's own article at least one of those "kids" are fifteen. At fifteen you can get a driver's permit in many states. When OP says "kids" the first image that comes to mind is a bunch 8-10 year olds playing tag. Being that the article admits that they were playing chicken with the border guards it causes me to think that maybe there's more to that than what the article states. Again, if what OP and the article says is true then he should be convicted. But as of now this whole thing raises some red flags.
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« Reply #5 on: April 06, 2017, 04:04:36 AM »
How big were the rocks? 

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Re: It's legal to kill across country borders...
« Reply #6 on: April 08, 2017, 09:50:05 PM »
You would also be shot if you and your friends ganged up on a lone police officer and assaulted him with rocks. Where is the issue?

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Re: It's legal to kill across country borders...
« Reply #7 on: April 09, 2017, 01:42:21 AM »
You would also be shot if you and your friends ganged up on a lone police officer and assaulted him with rocks. Where is the issue?

I see none.
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Re: It's legal to kill across country borders...
« Reply #8 on: April 10, 2017, 09:48:31 AM »

As usual Bishop sees a lot of words and decides to rewrite them to fit his own view, in the mistaken belief that because he can't interpret them no one else can. The cellphone footage reportedly shows nobody surrounding the officer when he shoots at the boy 60 foot away and drops him, no charges as he's American and the boy is just a Mexican, and the guns & god brigade think that the penalty for throwing rocks should be execution, W.T.F. is wrong with you?
Just to be clear, you are all terrific, but everything you say is exactly what a moron would say.

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Re: It's legal to kill across country borders...
« Reply #9 on: April 10, 2017, 02:19:10 PM »
You would also be shot if you and your friends ganged up on a lone police officer and assaulted him with rocks. Where is the issue?


I dunno... Would you be afraid of rocks being thrown at a fence? 


The kids could not surround a man on the p
Opposite side of a fence without climbing it (which they did not do).  So thats one problem.  Second, the rocks would have to be thrown over the fence, which isn't impossible but it does make it much harder to hit the target.


So no, he was not justified.

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Re: It's legal to kill across country borders...
« Reply #10 on: April 10, 2017, 06:10:44 PM »

As usual Bishop sees a lot of words and decides to rewrite them to fit his own view, in the mistaken belief that because he can't interpret them no one else can. The cellphone footage reportedly shows nobody surrounding the officer when he shoots at the boy 60 foot away and drops him, no charges as he's American and the boy is just a Mexican, and the guns & god brigade think that the penalty for throwing rocks should be execution, W.T.F. is wrong with you?

The key word is "reportedly" and rocks the size of grapefruit can be a lethal weapon.
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Re: It's legal to kill across country borders...
« Reply #11 on: April 10, 2017, 11:05:38 PM »
Well, he was 60 feet away. Plus, the kid was hiding, not actively throwing anything. The coward shot a child that was not a threat.

"Fifteen-year-old Sergio ran past Mesa and hid behind a pillar beneath the bridge on the Mexican side. As the boy peeked out, Agent Mesa, 60 feet or so away on the U.S. side, drew his gun, aimed it at the boy, and fired three times, the last shot hitting the boy in the head."

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« Reply #12 on: June 23, 2017, 07:16:53 AM »
Well, he was 60 feet away. Plus, the kid was hiding, not actively throwing anything. The coward shot a child that was not a threat.

"Fifteen-year-old Sergio ran past Mesa and hid behind a pillar beneath the bridge on the Mexican side. As the boy peeked out, Agent Mesa, 60 feet or so away on the U.S. side, drew his gun, aimed it at the boy, and fired three times, the last shot hitting the boy in the head."

That's what the story said, that may not what actually happened.
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Re: It's legal to kill across country borders...
« Reply #13 on: January 13, 2018, 10:15:22 PM »
I totally did not know this:
http://www.npr.org/2017/02/21/515625917/supreme-court-to-decide-if-mexican-nationals-may-sue-for-border-shooting

Summary:
Border Agent sees kids playing near the US/Mexico border.
Border agent grabs one through the fence, shoots at another hiding behind a concrete column holding up a railroad track.
Kid is shot in the head, dies, and border agents(who arrived later) leave.

The us refuses to extradite him or punish him in any way.  Border agent claims it was self defense cause he was surrounded by rock throwing kids.
Cell video says otherwise.

Correct. A nation's laws don't apply to non-citizens. For example, an illegal immigrant in the USA can rape or murder and not face charges in the USA. Instead, he would be sent back to his country to be dealt with (if at all). This is one of the strongest cases opponents of illegal immigration have for their cause. But if I'm not mistaken, a noncitizen who does a crime against a nation is punished by said nation.
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Re: It's legal to kill across country borders...
« Reply #14 on: January 13, 2018, 10:37:06 PM »
I totally did not know this:
http://www.npr.org/2017/02/21/515625917/supreme-court-to-decide-if-mexican-nationals-may-sue-for-border-shooting

Summary:
Border Agent sees kids playing near the US/Mexico border.
Border agent grabs one through the fence, shoots at another hiding behind a concrete column holding up a railroad track.
Kid is shot in the head, dies, and border agents(who arrived later) leave.

The us refuses to extradite him or punish him in any way.  Border agent claims it was self defense cause he was surrounded by rock throwing kids.
Cell video says otherwise.

Correct. A nation's laws don't apply to non-citizens. For example, an illegal immigrant in the USA can rape or murder and not face charges in the USA. Instead, he would be sent back to his country to be dealt with (if at all). This is one of the strongest cases opponents of illegal immigration have for their cause. But if I'm not mistaken, a noncitizen who does a crime against a nation is punished by said nation.
False.
A nation's laws do apply if you comit the crime in said nation.
If I go to spain and kill someone, I will go to jail in spain.  If I am an illegal in the US, I could go to jail or be departed, depending on what the DA's office wants to do.  ICE may want me out sooner or be fine with me serving my sentance.  It varies case by case.


They can, however, transfer prisons to their home country if both nations agree.

Re: It's legal to kill across country borders...
« Reply #15 on: January 13, 2018, 11:59:14 PM »
None of this would have happened if you just hurried up and built that wall.
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Re: It's legal to kill across country borders...
« Reply #16 on: January 14, 2018, 12:01:28 AM »
Weirdly you can’t just go to the ATM for $6B dollars.
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Re: It's legal to kill across country borders...
« Reply #17 on: January 14, 2018, 12:12:43 AM »
The Federal Reserve can just print it, and are very happy to accept US treasuries which the government can just print, in exchange. It goes like this.

Bring Bring, Bring Bring ...

"Hello, Federal Reserve."
"Hi, this is the US Treasury. We'd like some money. Can you conjure $6bn please?"
"Sure, and will you be paying in treasuries, Mr Treasurer?"
"Do bears shit in the woods? So you print your worthless paper, we'll print ours, we'll swap paper and then some idiots will take that paper and exchange it with us for real goods and services."
"Excellent. Pleasure doing fraud with you. Bye."

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Re: It's legal to kill across country borders...
« Reply #18 on: January 14, 2018, 01:20:43 AM »
I think you forgot the small part where the procurement has to be approved by Congress. No biggie...
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Re: It's legal to kill across country borders...
« Reply #19 on: January 14, 2018, 01:24:12 AM »
Do you want dead Mexican kids or not? Back Trump and this all goes away ... along with the Mexicans.
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