It's legal to kill across country borders...
« on: February 21, 2017, 12:15:51 PM »
I totally did not know this:
http://www.npr.org/2017/02/21/515625917/supreme-court-to-decide-if-mexican-nationals-may-sue-for-border-shooting

Summary:
Border Agent sees kids playing near the US/Mexico border.
Border agent grabs one through the fence, shoots at another hiding behind a concrete column holding up a railroad track.
Kid is shot in the head, dies, and border agents(who arrived later) leave.

The us refuses to extradite him or punish him in any way.  Border agent claims it was self defense cause he was surrounded by rock throwing kids.
Cell video says otherwise.


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Re: It's legal to kill across country borders...
« Reply #1 on: February 21, 2017, 12:34:07 PM »

And then the US whines about everybody wanting to blow the fuck out of them
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« Reply #2 on: February 24, 2017, 02:32:59 PM »
Presumably this should require a declaration of war.
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Re: It's legal to kill across country borders...
« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2017, 02:10:13 AM »
What the border agent did was wrong and should be convicted for murder if what you say is true. However how old are these "kids"? I'm in no way justifying what he did but I don't want to make it any worse than it should be.
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« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2017, 02:18:28 AM »
According to OP's own article at least one of those "kids" are fifteen. At fifteen you can get a driver's permit in many states. When OP says "kids" the first image that comes to mind is a bunch 8-10 year olds playing tag. Being that the article admits that they were playing chicken with the border guards it causes me to think that maybe there's more to that than what the article states. Again, if what OP and the article says is true then he should be convicted. But as of now this whole thing raises some red flags.
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Re: It's legal to kill across country borders...
« Reply #5 on: April 06, 2017, 04:04:36 AM »
How big were the rocks? 

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Re: It's legal to kill across country borders...
« Reply #6 on: April 08, 2017, 09:50:05 PM »
You would also be shot if you and your friends ganged up on a lone police officer and assaulted him with rocks. Where is the issue?

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Re: It's legal to kill across country borders...
« Reply #7 on: April 09, 2017, 01:42:21 AM »
You would also be shot if you and your friends ganged up on a lone police officer and assaulted him with rocks. Where is the issue?

I see none.
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Re: It's legal to kill across country borders...
« Reply #8 on: April 10, 2017, 09:48:31 AM »

As usual Bishop sees a lot of words and decides to rewrite them to fit his own view, in the mistaken belief that because he can't interpret them no one else can. The cellphone footage reportedly shows nobody surrounding the officer when he shoots at the boy 60 foot away and drops him, no charges as he's American and the boy is just a Mexican, and the guns & god brigade think that the penalty for throwing rocks should be execution, W.T.F. is wrong with you?
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Re: It's legal to kill across country borders...
« Reply #9 on: April 10, 2017, 02:19:10 PM »
You would also be shot if you and your friends ganged up on a lone police officer and assaulted him with rocks. Where is the issue?


I dunno... Would you be afraid of rocks being thrown at a fence? 


The kids could not surround a man on the p
Opposite side of a fence without climbing it (which they did not do).  So thats one problem.  Second, the rocks would have to be thrown over the fence, which isn't impossible but it does make it much harder to hit the target.


So no, he was not justified.

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« Reply #10 on: April 10, 2017, 06:10:44 PM »

As usual Bishop sees a lot of words and decides to rewrite them to fit his own view, in the mistaken belief that because he can't interpret them no one else can. The cellphone footage reportedly shows nobody surrounding the officer when he shoots at the boy 60 foot away and drops him, no charges as he's American and the boy is just a Mexican, and the guns & god brigade think that the penalty for throwing rocks should be execution, W.T.F. is wrong with you?

The key word is "reportedly" and rocks the size of grapefruit can be a lethal weapon.
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Re: It's legal to kill across country borders...
« Reply #11 on: April 10, 2017, 11:05:38 PM »
Well, he was 60 feet away. Plus, the kid was hiding, not actively throwing anything. The coward shot a child that was not a threat.

"Fifteen-year-old Sergio ran past Mesa and hid behind a pillar beneath the bridge on the Mexican side. As the boy peeked out, Agent Mesa, 60 feet or so away on the U.S. side, drew his gun, aimed it at the boy, and fired three times, the last shot hitting the boy in the head."

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« Reply #12 on: June 23, 2017, 07:16:53 AM »
Well, he was 60 feet away. Plus, the kid was hiding, not actively throwing anything. The coward shot a child that was not a threat.

"Fifteen-year-old Sergio ran past Mesa and hid behind a pillar beneath the bridge on the Mexican side. As the boy peeked out, Agent Mesa, 60 feet or so away on the U.S. side, drew his gun, aimed it at the boy, and fired three times, the last shot hitting the boy in the head."

That's what the story said, that may not what actually happened.
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