[AATW]

I partly agree with Tom

I do too, it's just a weird boast that they're actively enjoying this level of corruption, self-enrichment and cruelty to the poorest and most vulnerable in society.

[Lord Dave]

Just an aside:

Cuomo is a dick and isn't well liked in New York.

[markjo]

It is Democrats who are extremely dissatisfied with their party, not Republicans.

False dichotomy.  From what I can tell, people on both sides are varying levels of dissatisfied with their parties.

[Action80]

Sadaam - "Clinton-era centrism..."

Getting blown by an intern while seated behind the desk in the Oval Office is a very "centrist" thing to do.

LMMFAO!

[Action80]

I also don't believe that Elon was ever especially liked or admired by the left.

That explains all the Democrats in Chicago parading around in Teslas with bumper stickers declaring, "I bought this before Elon went crazy."

WTF you smoking, anyway!?!?

LMMFAO!!!

[garygreen]

yeah see this was all a manufactured feud to get democrats to somehow expose themselves in the epstein files or whatever

https://www.newsweek.com/elon-musk-reacts-epstein-list-report-final-straw-2095317

[Lord Dave]

Sadaam - "Clinton-era centrism..."

Getting blown by an intern while seated behind the desk in the Oval Office is a very "centrist" thing to do.

LMMFAO!

Arkansas governor's office.

[honk]

Sadaam - "Clinton-era centrism..."

Getting blown by an intern while seated behind the desk in the Oval Office is a very "centrist" thing to do.

LMMFAO!

What does that have to do with his policies? Clinton ran as and governed as a centrist, and thirty years later, Democratic presidential candidates are doing the exact same thing.

I also don't believe that Elon was ever especially liked or admired by the left.

That explains all the Democrats in Chicago parading around in Teslas with bumper stickers declaring, "I bought this before Elon went crazy."

WTF you smoking, anyway!?!?

LMMFAO!!!

People once being willing to buy his cars without being judged hardly makes him some kind of hero or leader to the left. Think about it this way - if the head of, say, Ford, suddenly made the news for saying and doing a bunch of horrible things, you'd probably see a similar level of embarrassment among Ford owners and an eagerness to distance themselves from him. That wouldn't mean that the head of Ford was someone they had especially liked or admired before. As I've said, I've only ever heard that Elon used to be beloved by the left from conservatives. He's been heavily criticized by leftists for several years, long before he ever bought Twitter or publicly embraced Trump.

[Lord Dave]

Sadaam - "Clinton-era centrism..."

Getting blown by an intern while seated behind the desk in the Oval Office is a very "centrist" thing to do.

LMMFAO!

What does that have to do with his policies? Clinton ran as and governed as a centrist, and thirty years later, Democratic presidential candidates are doing the exact same thing.

I also don't believe that Elon was ever especially liked or admired by the left.

That explains all the Democrats in Chicago parading around in Teslas with bumper stickers declaring, "I bought this before Elon went crazy."

WTF you smoking, anyway!?!?

LMMFAO!!!

People once being willing to buy his cars without being judged hardly makes him some kind of hero or leader to the left. Think about it this way - if the head of, say, Ford, suddenly made the news for saying and doing a bunch of horrible things, you'd probably see a similar level of embarrassment among Ford owners and an eagerness to distance themselves from him. That wouldn't mean that the head of Ford was someone they had especially liked or admired before. As I've said, I've only ever heard that Elon used to be beloved by the left from conservatives. He's been heavily criticized by leftists for several years, long before he ever bought Twitter or publicly embraced Trump.

As a leftist, I hated him long before he bought Twitter.

[Lord Dave]

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cm2m879neljo

Curious how Tom will spin this.
Official story?
Democrat edits?
Hillary Clinton?

Or will they finally start to question if Trump, who was president at the time, had a hand in it...

[Action80]

Clinton a "centrist."

Explains the blow job (it is a perfectly acceptable policy to have sex relations with your intern) and Janet Reno (of Waco fame).

Again, what in the living fuck are you smoking?

[Tom Bishop]

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cm2m879neljo

Curious how Tom will spin this.
Official story?
Democrat edits?
Hillary Clinton?

Or will they finally start to question if Trump, who was president at the time, had a hand in it...

This has been happening for almost two decades now. Epstein was convicted for sex trafficking 19 years ago, and since then his list of associates was continually threatened to be released, but then somehow not released. At this point we can only hope that the wealthy clients are being snatched under seal in a massive honeypot of self incrimination.

It is suspect to me how a man who didn't even have a company website obtained hundreds of millions of dollars, giving credence to the claims that he was part of an covert operation designed to gather blackmail against the rich and powerful. If true, the system will never allow the details of this to be fully known and expose itself, no matter who is President.

[Dr Van Nostrand]

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cm2m879neljo

Curious how Tom will spin this.
Official story?
Democrat edits?
Hillary Clinton?

Or will they finally start to question if Trump, who was president at the time, had a hand in it...

This has been happening for almost two decades now. Epstein was arrested for sex trafficking 19 years ago, and since then his list of associates was continually threatened to be released by authorities, but then somehow not released. At this point we can only hope that the wealthy clients are being snatched under seal in a massive honeypot of self incrimination.

Pam Bondi, Trump's Attorney General, said they had video evidence of thousands of sex abuse victims. Now she says there is no evidence at all. Was she lying then or is she lying now?

Trumpian zombies respond to any conspiracy theory. By going all in on the Epstein story and promising to tell all, Trump mobilized his idiot base and created voters. But now, his zombies figured out that they've been played.

You'd think the Trump zombies would be pissed off at being lied to. But they don't care, they're zombies.

Maybe Bill Clinton should have gone to the Supreme Court to win 'unlimited Presidential criminal immunity' like Trump did. When the Democrats get back into the White House, they can now get all the blow jobs they want.

[Lord Dave]

Clinton a "centrist."

Explains the blow job (it is a perfectly acceptable policy to have sex relations with your intern) and Janet Reno (of Waco fame).

Again, what in the living fuck are you smoking?

I was not aware a sexual affair is a valid political position.
What does that make Trump, then?

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cm2m879neljo

Curious how Tom will spin this.
Official story?
Democrat edits?
Hillary Clinton?

Or will they finally start to question if Trump, who was president at the time, had a hand in it...

This has been happening for almost two decades now. Epstein was convicted for sex trafficking 19 years ago, and since then his list of associates was continually threatened to be released, but then somehow not released. At this point we can only hope that the wealthy clients are being snatched under seal in a massive honeypot of self incrimination.

It is suspect to me how a man who didn't even have a company website obtained hundreds of millions of dollars, giving credence to the claims that he was part of an covert operation designed to gather blackmail against the rich and powerful. If true, the system will never allow the details of this to be fully known and expose itself, no matter who is President.

So you went with the 'This was intentional and Trump is playing 4D chess' but with alot of maybe.

But since both Trump and Pam said they have the evidence, it's clear they were lying.  You wouldn't say you have something then say you don't as a honeypot for the people on the list.

[Action80]

When the affair is taking place with an intern in the workplace, that most certainly is a matter of politics.

Trump is having an affair with an intern in the Oval Office?

What the fuck are you smoking?

LMMFAO!!!

[Lord Dave]

When the affair is taking place with an intern in the workplace, that most certainly is a matter of politics.

Trump is having an affair with an intern in the Oval Office?

What the fuck are you smoking?

LMMFAO!!!

And what is the political stance, then?

[honk]

Clinton a "centrist."

Explains the blow job (it is a perfectly acceptable policy to have sex relations with your intern) and Janet Reno (of Waco fame).

Again, what in the living fuck are you smoking?

I really have no idea what point you think you're making here. I'm discussing Clinton's political positions, not his ethics, and his affairs don't change the fact that he was a centrist any more than they change the fact that he was from Arkansas. If in your usual roundabout way you're trying to get my opinion of Clinton, then I'll give it to you - his affair with an intern half his age while he was in a position of power over her was deeply predatory and has never gotten the mainstream condemnation it truly deserves (as opposed to simply hand-wringing about adultery, which was in comparison a trivial concern), there's almost certainly some fire to the smoke of the numerous allegations of sexual misconduct he's accumulated over the years, and I'm sure he'd go down in flames just like Trump if the government released all the information it had on Epstein. Maybe that's why Biden never released it.

When the affair is taking place with an intern in the workplace, that most certainly is a matter of politics.

It's a matter of politics, certainly, but not of policy. Think about it this way - is having an affair an inherently left-wing or right-wing thing to do? Is someone who has an affair logically more or less likely to cut taxes? To pursue foreign intervention? To support gay marriage? It doesn't really make sense.

[Tom Bishop]

So you went with the 'This was intentional and Trump is playing 4D chess' but with alot of maybe.

But since both Trump and Pam said they have the evidence, it's clear they were lying.  You wouldn't say you have something then say you don't as a honeypot for the people on the list.

I couldn't find a direct promise by Trump to release the sex trafficking client list. I found this from 2024:

https://mynbc15.com/news/nation-world/trump-teases-releasing-epstein-client-list-if-elected-id-certainly-take-a-look-at-it-bill-clinton-jeffrey-prince-andrew-rfk-jr-island-plane-stephen-hawking-donald-election-2024-sex-trafficking

“It’s just very strange for a lot of people that the list of clients that went to the island has not been made public,” Fridman said.

“Yeah, it’s very interesting, isn’t it?” Trump said.

“So if you’re able to, you’ll ---” Fridman began.

“Yeah, I’d certainly take a look at it,” Trump said.

Since Trump had access to everything as President, his specific wording matters. Trump doesn't say that he there is a specific client list of people who rented children from Epstein through sex trafficking that the government is withholding. There is list of people who went to the island that is being withheld. We already have a lot of those names who went to the island, which are hundreds of celebrities and rich people.

[Lord Dave]

So you went with the 'This was intentional and Trump is playing 4D chess' but with alot of maybe.

But since both Trump and Pam said they have the evidence, it's clear they were lying.  You wouldn't say you have something then say you don't as a honeypot for the people on the list.

I couldn't find a direct promise by Trump to release the sex trafficking client list. I found this from 2024:

https://mynbc15.com/news/nation-world/trump-teases-releasing-epstein-client-list-if-elected-id-certainly-take-a-look-at-it-bill-clinton-jeffrey-prince-andrew-rfk-jr-island-plane-stephen-hawking-donald-election-2024-sex-trafficking

“It’s just very strange for a lot of people that the list of clients that went to the island has not been made public,” Fridman said.

“Yeah, it’s very interesting, isn’t it?” Trump said.

“So if you’re able to, you’ll ---” Fridman began.

“Yeah, I’d certainly take a look at it,” Trump said.

Since Trump had access to everything as President, his specific wording matters. Trump doesn't say that he there is a specific client list of people who rented children from Epstein through sex trafficking that the government is withholding. There is list of people who went to the island that is being witheld. We already have a lot of those names who went to the island, which are hundreds of celebrities and rich people.

The list of people who went to the island was released in 2023.

Pamela did say there is a list.  So .. there's that.

[AATW]

Is someone who has an affair logically more or less likely to cut taxes? To pursue foreign intervention? To support gay marriage? It doesn't really make sense.

Remember who you’re talking to.
I’ve literally no idea what Action is talking about. Clinton had an affair with an intern and therefore he’s left wing seems to be the implication.

It’s a “if she floats then she’s made of wood and therefore a witch” level of logic.

Trump has had multiple affairs. He’s been adjudicated to be a rapist. So what does that make him? Is that more or less left wing than Clinton? Just utter nonsense