[Lord Dave]

Yeah, Native tribes do not reside in the US.

They do not deserve any money, mirite?

I am positive the confusion lies on the side of people absolutely cheering on for failure.

Keep on cheering for the failed policies we've been stuck with since the Fed was formed.

That would be you and all the rest of the globesters here.

>_> no, I mean my list only showed state government owned ones.  Not other entities.  So count of 20 is more accurate.  Odd you can't take it when I admit fault. 

Anyway, since the Fed was formed was 1776 and this thing Trump is doing?  Done already before.  1930.  So congrats oncorrectly calling Trump's tariff policy failed.

[Action80]

The Fed LD...the Fed...

1913, not 1776.

Jesus...

The thing Trump is trying to do is go back to 1895 - 1913, when there was a budget surplus and no income taxes were collected.

Central banks are bad for business and bad for human health. Wars exist due to central banks.

Look at me...conversing with a know-nothing bot.

[Lord Dave]

The Fed LD...the Fed...

1913, not 1776.

Jesus...

The thing Trump is trying to do is go back to 1895 - 1913, when there was a budget surplus and no income taxes were collected.

Central banks are bad for business and bad for human health. Wars exist due to central banks.

Look at me...conversing with a know-nothing bot.

Yes the Fed.  The Federal Government.  Which was established in the Constitution.


1895 - 1913?  Yeah... about that...
https://stats.areppim.com/stats/stats_usxbudget_history.htm

⁵ The Civil War, along with the Spanish-American War and the depression of the 1890s, resulted in a cumulative deficit totaling just under $1 billion during the 1850-1900 period.

But hey!  You're almost right.  We had a surplus in 1901, 1902, 1903, 1906, 1907, 1911, 1912.
So of the 18 years you listed (why only those and not like... the other 100 years prior?) We had a suprlus for 7 of them and 2 of them were balanced, give or take $500,000 or less.  So lets say 9 out of 18 years.  Exactly half.

[Action80]

You are, next to the penguin, the worst troll frequenting these boards.

The tariffs in the US are still among the lowest in the world.

Get over your faux rage.

You have no fucking idea about what is being discussed,

[honk]

^ Written as if "praise and flattery," is something ever seen or experienced by Trump.

Tom would disagree with your implication here, as he's repeatedly linked to world leaders praising and flattering Trump and claimed it as evidence of how much they respect and fear Trump and his masterful ways.

[Lord Dave]

You are, next to the penguin, the worst troll frequenting these boards.

The tariffs in the US are still among the lowest in the world.

Get over your faux rage.

You have no fucking idea about what is being discussed,

Depends on the item.  Tariffs are always mixed.  Or were.  Example:
Passenger cars import tax was 2.5% (from eu to USA)
Trucks were 25%.
EU has a flat 10% of cars/trucks from non-free trade countries.

America has a 30% tax on imported farm equipment.  That's high.  If I wanted to import a John Deere tractor into Germany from the US?  3% tax.

So please... Tell me how the US has the lowest tariffs ever... >_>

[markjo]

The thing Trump is trying to do is go back to 1895 - 1913, when there was a budget surplus and no income taxes were collected.

And when there was no Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, interstate highways, etc.

[Action80]

The tariffs in the US are still among the lowest in the world.

Get over your faux rage.

So please... Tell me how the US has the lowest tariffs ever... >_>

^Has no real argument, so leaves out the word, "among," and continues the faux outrage and trolling.

[Lord Dave]

The tariffs in the US are still among the lowest in the world.

Get over your faux rage.

So please... Tell me how the US has the lowest tariffs ever... >_>

^Has no real argument, so leaves out the word, "among," and continues the faux outrage and trolling.

How do you even define "amount the lowest" since, up until a week ago, we didn't have blanket tariffs.  It was all industry and product based.  Have you even looked at the extremely large table of tariff percentages for every item the US imports from every country on Earth? If not, how the fuck can you even make that claim?  On what basis?

[AATW]

It seems to me that you are just going to bend over and take this.

What does that even mean? What do you think that means?

Look. The issue isn't that tariffs are bad, they're not good or bad - they're just a mechanism. The issue is very little analysis has gone into this, they've just used a blanket formula and used that to come up with some numbers. And Trump is doing it unilaterally without any of the checks and balances that should be in place in a functioning democracy.

Some decent analysis of it all here:



You've seen how the markets have reacted. The prevailing view is that this will push prices up for people in the US and probably tip you into recession.
You voted for someone who vowed to impose tariffs AND vowed to bring down prices. Those are inconsistent things. Tariffs will increase prices for you.

This is the issue with Trump - he doesn't do things carefully or strategically. With tariffs you need to look at things carefully. For each country what are you importing and what are you exporting. As the above video explains, importing more than you export to a certain country isn't a bad thing, or a good thing in and of itself. It just means the other country has more of that thing than you do so you buy it from them. Or it means that the thing is cheaper to buy from overseas than it is to buy locally - and that is where you might want to impose a tariff to try and encourage production locally. Although that won't necessarily reduce the price locally because US workers may have better pay than people in other countries.

In brief - this is complicated and needs proper analysis, considering the trade with each country, looking at where the deficits are and why and imposing tariffs strategically.
Instead they've basically used a fucking Excel formula. This is not a serious policy from a serious politician. It's an attention grabbing move from a reality TV show star who craves attention because he didn't get enough affection from his daddy.

You do not have a serious person in charge of your country. That is a bad thing. It was a bad thing when we had bloody Boris Johnson who is also not a serious person.

[Action80]

The video AATW posted is a fucking joke.

LOL! The guy doesn't even know if his source material is legitimate. His main bitch seems to be use of the asterisk representing the act of multiplication.

LD, we don't have "blanket tariffs." And learn how to fucking spell if you want to post.

[Lord Dave]

The video AATW posted is a fucking joke.

LOL! The guy doesn't even know if his source material is legitimate. His main bitch seems to be use of the asterisk representing the act of multiplication.

LD, we don't have "blanket tariffs." And learn how to fucking spell if you want to post.

We do now ya dumb fuck.  What do you think "10% tariffs on all goods" means?

Anyway, good to see you focusing on the main issue of my spell checker and now what I asked you.

[Action80]

Quit lying.

We don't have blanket tariffs, and you are no longer part of the we.

The US doesn't charge everybody.

You are not even addressing the first point, as you still cannot spell.

Once you calm down, try again.

[AATW]

The video AATW posted is a fucking joke.

You then go on to analyse the video with as much seriousness as Trump et al used when defining the tariffs.
Which is fine, you're a nobody on the internet - your inability to understand anything doesn't really matter.
When you have someone in control of the most powerful country on earth with that inability to understand and analyse things in any depth, it matters.
Especially when that person is being allowed to set policy unilaterally - even if you approve of what he's doing, can you really not see the dangers in a single person being able to do that? A functioning democracy should have checks and balances. You have them, but he's working round them and being allowed to.

[Lord Dave]

The video AATW posted is a fucking joke.

You then go on to analyse the video with as much seriousness as Trump et al used when defining the tariffs.
Which is fine, you're a nobody on the internet - your inability to understand anything doesn't really matter.
When you have someone in control of the most powerful country on earth with that inability to understand and analyse things in any depth, it matters.
Especially when that person is being allowed to set policy unilaterally - even if you approve of what he's doing, can you really not see the dangers in a single person being able to do that? A functioning democracy should have checks and balances. You have them, but he's working round them and being allowed to.

People who want dictators never care about that, only that their political enemies have no power.  So long as their guy is doing what they are think they want, who cares how?  Ends justify the means.

[Action80]

^I will analyze this.

Many of the Henny Pennys here and elsewhere were certainly supporters/participants of the Occupy Wall Street movement and their opinion is useless.

[Tom Bishop]

The issue is very little analysis has gone into this, they've just used a blanket formula and used that to come up with some numbers. And Trump is doing it unilaterally without any of the checks and balances that should be in place in a functioning democracy.

Instead they've basically used a fucking Excel formula. This is not a serious policy from a serious politician. It's an attention grabbing move from a reality TV show star who craves attention because he didn't get enough affection from his daddy.

What in the world? Why do your arguments sound like something a eleven year old came up with?

Hey little British lad, Trump and the White House do have economists working for them. Here is senior trade advisor Peter Novoro, a Harvard PhD, explaining the strategy behind the tariffs. At 3:40 Peter Novoro explains that the equation comes from the Council of Economic Advisors.

This isn't Trump unilaterally doing anything. There are organizations behind him. Republicans are half of the country, with their own conservative experts, and not your allegations of a "cult". You have no idea what you are talking about. Your arguments are childish and wrong. You, or whatever leftist news source you are repeating your information from, are just super sad because your side is losing politically world wide. I will ask that you kindly stop baawing your uninformed rants and leftist cries of sorrow all over this thread. If you want to cry about it, I would prefer that you do it at some other website which I don't visit.

[Lord Dave]

The issue is very little analysis has gone into this, they've just used a blanket formula and used that to come up with some numbers. And Trump is doing it unilaterally without any of the checks and balances that should be in place in a functioning democracy.

Instead they've basically used a fucking Excel formula. This is not a serious policy from a serious politician. It's an attention grabbing move from a reality TV show star who craves attention because he didn't get enough affection from his daddy.

What in the world? Why do your arguments sound like something a eleven year old came up with?

Hey little British lad, Trump and the White House do have Economists working for them. Here is senior trade advisor Peter Novoro, a Harvard PhD, explaining the strategy behind the tariffs. At 3:40 Peter Novoro explains that the equation comes from the Council of Economical Advisors.

This isn't Trump unilaterally doing anything. There are organizations behind him. Republicans are half of the country, with their own experts, and not your allegations of a "cult". You again show that you have no idea what you are talking about. Your arguments are childish and wrong. You, or whatever leftist news source you are repeating your information from, are just super sad because your side is losing politically world wide. I will ask that you kindly stop baawing your uninformed rants and leftist cries of sorrow all over this thread. If you want to cry about it, I would prefer that you do it at some other website.

Ok so what I got from that.

Everyone is evil and we need them to stop being evil and not exploit their own economy so we can sell them more of our stuff. 

Oh and VAT  is impossible to compete against, apparently.


And it has nothing to do with Americans wanting the cheapest goods.  Its because every country artificially makes their goods cheaper and America is unable to.

[AATW]

What in the world? Why do your arguments sound like something a eleven year old came up with?

If that is so then they should be pretty easy to deal with, but you have pretty much ignored most of what I said.

At 3:40 Peter Novoro explains that the equation comes from the Council of Economical Advisors.

Firstly Navarro (that's how it's spelled, for future reference) has very different views from most economists.
And I note you ignored the video which explained why it's a nonsensical equation. More explanation here:
https://www.aei.org/economics/president-trumps-tariff-formula-makes-no-economic-sense-its-also-based-on-an-error/

The point you are ignoring is that using any formula like this is idiotic and simplistic. This one is based on the premise that if you import more from a country than you export to a country then that country must be ripping you off in some way. That's just completely flawed logic. It's more complicated than that. Tariffs aren't a magic wand, they're a mechanism which should be used strategically. There's nothing strategic about using an Excel formula.

This isn't Trump unilaterally doing anything.

Oh cool, so when's the vote on these tariffs happening?
He's using - misusing really - powers designed to be used in emergency situations to circumvent the checks and balances which should be in place in a functioning democracy.

It's ironic that you call my arguments childish when you have basically ignored the analysis I have posted and your entire argument seems to be
"We won, you lost - nyah, nyah!"
Except that isn't true. You lost too. You have an administration inviting journalists into chats about live military operations, you have a president misusing emergency powers and making policy based on an Excel formula which doesn't even make sense with no deeper thought going in to it. Having an administration this incompetent and unserious is bad for me but it's bad for you too. You're just so deep in the cult you can't admit it to yourself, let alone us.

[Action80]

AATW sticking by his nonsense video that presented a nonsense equation, which the video publisher acknowledges is possibly bullshit generated by ChatGPT.

Sounds as solid as the RE explanations he posts here.