[Roundy]

It makes sense to me why they would need a special Bible with the Constitution in it. They are attempting to bring Biblical study back into the school system. If they use a regular Bible then they can be accused of running afoul of their students' freedom of religion. They would get criticisms and questions like why not use the Quran or Torah?

 

Yeah, add the Constitution in there and this issue just vanishes, right Tom? 

[Tom Bishop]

It makes sense to me why they would need a special Bible with the Constitution in it. They are attempting to bring Biblical study back into the school system. If they use a regular Bible then they can be accused of running afoul of their students' freedom of religion. They would get criticisms and questions like why not use the Quran or Torah?

 

Yeah, add the Constitution in there and this issue just vanishes, right Tom? 

Correct. They have been working on strategies for this for decades and now we have a conservative Supreme Court. They will probably get away with it this time.

https://www.the74million.org/article/oklahoma-schools-ordered-to-use-bible-in-history-teaching/

Oklahoma Schools Ordered to Use Bible in History Teaching
...
State Superintendent Ryan Walters said he wants the Bible kept and taught in every Oklahoma classroom, particularly how it is referenced in America’s history and founding documents.

“We’re going to be looking at the Mayflower Compact (and) other of those foundational documents to point to and say, listen, here’s conceptually what the founders believed,” Walters said while speaking with news reporters on Thursday.

They are going to teach it under the guise of "here is what the founders believed".

In that same article they also suggest that they already have state laws in place which allows teaching from the Bible:

“Oklahoma law already explicitly allows Bibles in the classroom and enables teachers to use them in instruction,” the AG’s spokesperson, Phil Bacharach, said.

[Roundy]

It's still a Bible. It's still a religious text. If the conservative members of the Supreme Court want to make a precedent out of allowing Bibles to be distributed in public schools again nothing will stop them, and this pretext wouldn't make it any easier because it's STILL A RELIGIOUS TEXT.

So no, this is not why they're doing it, but nice try anyway at rationalizing their bullshit, I know you see it as your job and I'm sure you did your best.

Also, this isn't what many of the Founders believed, but you go ahead and keep propagating that lie.

[Action80]

It's still a Bible. It's still a religious text. If the conservative members of the Supreme Court want to make a precedent out of allowing Bibles to be distributed in public schools again nothing will stop them, and this pretext wouldn't make it any easier because it's STILL A RELIGIOUS TEXT.

So no, this is not why they're doing it, but nice try anyway at rationalizing their bullshit, I know you see it as your job and I'm sure you did your best.

Also, this isn't what many of the Founders believed, but you go ahead and keep propagating that lie.

How many Founders were there and how many did not "believe," as you put it?

[Tom Bishop]

Conservatives getting more religious and traditionalist is merely the response to Liberals getting more degenerate.

https://twitter.com/_johnnymaga/status/1838557946545844666?s=61&t=dBbdqd_YOX7K8phCZrsUOQ

[honk]

Sex work being decriminalized is far from a radical or extreme concept. It's been very successfully implemented in other countries, and it's objectively an ideal way to all but eradicate every negative effect that prostitution has on society at large - diseases, violence, sexual assault, and the like. There's no good reason to keep it illegal.

[Tom Bishop]

Sex work being decriminalized is far from a radical or extreme concept. It's been very successfully implemented in other countries, and it's objectively an ideal way to all but eradicate every negative effect that prostitution has on society at large - diseases, violence, sexual assault, and the like. There's no good reason to keep it illegal.

What you think is a good idea is irrelevant to the fact that prostitution has been historically given as a prominent example of degeneracy.

[honk]

What a stupid argument. Slavery was historically seen as perfectly fine. Marrying fourteen-year-old girls was historically seen as perfectly fine. Laws should stand on their own merits, not on whether or not people long ago agreed with them.

[Tom Bishop]

Actually almost all of our definitions and concepts, such as degeneracy, are defined by people long ago. You are basically arguing that an apple is not an apple because you don't want it to be and are proceeding to attack the people who decided what an apple was. Your opinion is irrelevant to the fact that what is commonly known as an apple, is an apple.

[Pete Svarrior]

Actually almost all of our definitions and concepts, such as degeneracy, are defined by people long ago.

Could you share a definition of "degeneracy" from "long ago" so that we do not have to "guess" what you "mean"? That way, we can circumvent this whole "I mean the things that I mean, and not the things that I don't mean" rigamarole.

[Rushy]

It's been very successfully implemented in other countries

Which countries?

it's objectively an ideal way to all but eradicate every negative effect that prostitution has on society at large - diseases, violence, sexual assault, and the like.

[citation needed]

[Lord Dave]

It makes sense to me why they would need a special Bible with the Constitution in it. They are attempting to bring Biblical study back into the school system. If they use a regular Bible then they can be accused of running afoul of their students' freedom of religion. They would get criticisms and questions like why not use the Quran or Torah?

If they integrate it into American and Constitutional history then they can use the Christian Bible. Thus, they have more a defense if they have a special Bible created with other documents integrated into it.

https://oklahomawatch.org/2024/10/03/state-education-department-seeks-bids-for-55000-classroom-bibles/

“We don’t want extra things in there; historical documents are fine,” Walters said. “If it’s the King James version and the Constitution, the Magna Carta, things like that, that are also in statute that can be used in the classroom, that’s fine. But we don’t want commentary around the Bible because this is to serve as a historical reference document.”

They want a specific version of the Bible used in early America, say that they are fine if documents like the Magna Carta are in it, and refer to the Bible as a 'historical reference document', which gives away what they are doing. While Trump's Bible probably sparked the idea, this appears to be more about skirting religious freedoms that created the separation of church and state in schools by combining religion with normal studies.

I suspect that they are at least 20 times more interested in using this as a mechanism for getting Bible study into schools than giving Trump money.

So why are they buying alot more than is needed to fit the mandate of 1 in every classroom that teaches history?

[Lord Dave]

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/national/2024/10/14/armed-militias-hunting-fema-workers-in-hurricane-ravaged-north-carolina-report-says/

TLDR:
Some people think FEMA is gonna take their land and has threatened them with violence.

[Action80]

^ LD - "Trump is at fault for what these people are thinking."

LMMFAO!!! You can't make this shit up! But LD tries his very, fucking best.

[Lord Dave]

^ LD - "Trump is at fault for what these people are thinking."

LMMFAO!!! You can't make this shit up! But LD tries his very, fucking best.

He kinda is, yeah.  He certainly tells you what to think.

Tho in this case, I haven't blamed him since as far as I know he hasn't spread that fake news.  But you didn't read my short post so I guess you wouldn't have known that.

[Action80]

^ LD - "Trump is at fault for what these people are thinking."

LMMFAO!!! You can't make this shit up! But LD tries his very, fucking best.

He kinda is, yeah.  He certainly tells you what to think.

Tho in this case, I haven't blamed him since as far as I know he hasn't spread that fake news.  But you didn't read my short post so I guess you wouldn't have known that.The fact I posted this in the Trump thread is not to be taken as guilt by association.

FTFY.

[Lord Dave]

^ LD - "Trump is at fault for what these people are thinking."

LMMFAO!!! You can't make this shit up! But LD tries his very, fucking best.

He kinda is, yeah.  He certainly tells you what to think.

Tho in this case, I haven't blamed him since as far as I know he hasn't spread that fake news.  But you didn't read my short post so I guess you wouldn't have known that.The fact I posted this in the Trump thread is not to be taken as guilt by association.

FTFY.

It really isn't since we dump all sorts of news about trump supporters and conservatives in general here.

[Action80]

^ LD - "Trump is at fault for what these people are thinking."

LMMFAO!!! You can't make this shit up! But LD tries his very, fucking best.

He kinda is, yeah.  He certainly tells you what to think.

Tho in this case, I haven't blamed him since as far as I know he hasn't spread that fake news.  But you didn't read my short post so I guess you wouldn't have known that.The fact I posted this in the Trump thread is not to be taken as guilt by association.

FTFY.

It really isn't since we dump all sorts of news about trump supporters and conservatives in general here.

^According to LD, all the people having doubts about FEMA are conservative.

[Lord Dave]

^ LD - "Trump is at fault for what these people are thinking."

LMMFAO!!! You can't make this shit up! But LD tries his very, fucking best.

He kinda is, yeah.  He certainly tells you what to think.

Tho in this case, I haven't blamed him since as far as I know he hasn't spread that fake news.  But you didn't read my short post so I guess you wouldn't have known that.The fact I posted this in the Trump thread is not to be taken as guilt by association.

FTFY.

It really isn't since we dump all sorts of news about trump supporters and conservatives in general here.

^According to LD, all the people having doubts about FEMA are conservative.

Doubts? No, treatening FEMA workers.  Big difference.

[Action80]

^ LD - "Trump is at fault for what these people are thinking."

LMMFAO!!! You can't make this shit up! But LD tries his very, fucking best.

He kinda is, yeah.  He certainly tells you what to think.

Tho in this case, I haven't blamed him since as far as I know he hasn't spread that fake news.  But you didn't read my short post so I guess you wouldn't have known that.The fact I posted this in the Trump thread is not to be taken as guilt by association.

FTFY.

It really isn't since we dump all sorts of news about trump supporters and conservatives in general here.

^According to LD, all the people having doubts about FEMA are conservative.

Doubts? No, treatening FEMA workers.  Big difference.

Ah...I see...do you not find it interesting the article you provided listed exactly ZERO evidence of any threats other than a statement from unnamed sources from the US Forest Service "reportedly claiming," these threats were made?

I call bullshit.