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Re: Trump
« Reply #12820 on: April 09, 2025, 09:22:46 PM »
Didn't you just say how making it lower was good?

Also, this is because he just paused almost all the tariffs.  Why?  If this was the best solutions why stop it when it barely started?

It doesn't really matter to me if the multinationals sink, but it apparently matters a lot to the liberals. Which is weird, because over the few years the liberals have been preaching about the evils of big business, what with "occupy wall street" and "eat the rich".

Trump paused the tariffs for the 75 countries who wanted to negotiate. This is something which you leftists did not account for in all of your bawwing. Trump holds the cards, and ultimate control over the economy. After the pause is finished, it will be more difficult to cause a stock market panic, and the world will simply ease into the tarrif paradigm.

Laughably, leftists were predicting a US Recession, and have now rescinded their predictions.

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/goldman-calls-us-recession-1257pm-73-minutes-later-rescinds-recession-call

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Re: Trump
« Reply #12821 on: April 09, 2025, 10:09:16 PM »
lol. Tom still thinks Trump has some kind of plan or strategy. Bless.
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Re: Trump
« Reply #12822 on: April 09, 2025, 10:28:58 PM »

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Re: Trump
« Reply #12823 on: April 10, 2025, 01:11:33 AM »
Like I've said:

Trump's desperate need to be constantly flattered and praised - and the fact that other world leaders have taken note of this and now regularly try to manipulate him with shallow lip service - is a sign of Trump's weakness, not his strength. Strong leaders don't need praise and flattery to feel secure in their decisions and perform their jobs competently, and they certainly don't let it sway their policies and decisions. Only a child would think that all the praise and flattery directed at Trump by world leaders means that they all really do respect and fear Trump far more than any other president before rather than the reality that Trump is simply very easy to manipulate with praise and flattery.

It's not something to be proud of when your preferred president responds so eagerly to obvious appeals to his ego.
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Re: Trump
« Reply #12824 on: April 10, 2025, 07:12:54 AM »
Didn't you just say how making it lower was good?

Also, this is because he just paused almost all the tariffs.  Why?  If this was the best solutions why stop it when it barely started?

It doesn't really matter to me if the multinationals sink, but it apparently matters a lot to the liberals. Which is weird, because over the few years the liberals have been preaching about the evils of big business, what with "occupy wall street" and "eat the rich".

Trump paused the tariffs for the 75 countries who wanted to negotiate. This is something which you leftists did not account for in all of your bawwing. Trump holds the cards, and ultimate control over the economy. After the pause is finished, it will be more difficult to cause a stock market panic, and the world will simply ease into the tarrif paradigm.

Laughably, leftists were predicting a US Recession, and have now rescinded their predictions.

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/goldman-calls-us-recession-1257pm-73-minutes-later-rescinds-recession-call



Correction:
He paused it for all of them except China.  He did not specify that all of them were going to negotiate. 

Also, yes, they would recind recession because you need two consecutive quarters if negative growth and well... His tariffs got paused until the end of the quarter.  So the odds went from 60% back down to 40% or lower.


Also...
https://www.thedailybeast.com/white-house-refuses-to-provide-list-of-countries-who-want-to-cut-a-tariff-deal/

Wanna pole dance for me and tell me why they don't wanna release the names?  You are quite flexible, after all.
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« Reply #12825 on: April 10, 2025, 08:20:53 AM »
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/ce3qnyr7y94t

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US President Donald Trump has said he's not considering a pause on new tariffs, saying he wants to allow time for negotiations with other countries.

Asked specifically in the Oval Office about a potential break - reports which were refuted earlier by the White House, who called it "fake news" - Trump was direct: "We're not looking at that."

That was literally 3 days ago. Is he making it up as he goes along or is he making these decisions in cahoots with his rich mates so they can benefit from the swings in the market? Either way...sheesh!
Tom: "Claiming incredulity is a pretty bad argument. Calling it "insane" or "ridiculous" is not a good argument at all."

TFES Wiki Occam's Razor page, by Tom: "What's the simplest explanation; that NASA has successfully designed and invented never before seen rocket technologies from scratch which can accelerate 100 tons of matter to an escape velocity of 7 miles per second"

Re: Trump
« Reply #12826 on: April 10, 2025, 08:49:06 AM »

Laughably, leftists were predicting a US Recession, and have now rescinded their predictions.



Let's see. 

Trump announces a policy.  US and global markets plunge.  Recession predicted. 

Three days later; Trump changes his mind and announces a different policy.  US and global markets recover.  Prediction rescinded. 

Yup; laughable kind of sums that up.  (Damned Leftists). 

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« Reply #12827 on: April 10, 2025, 09:01:51 AM »
We can only predict based on current policy. Not our fault current policy changes on a whim.
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« Reply #12828 on: April 10, 2025, 09:27:24 AM »
We can only predict based on current policy. Not our fault current policy changes on a whim.
It's quite funny that Tom is trying to characterise this as "leftists" being all over the place with their forecasts or predictions, when it's actually Trump flailing around making different decisions every day.
Trump is not a complicated person - he just craves attention because he didn't get enough from his daddy. All this chaos puts him on the front pages every day, which is what he needs as a distraction from the self-loathing.
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TFES Wiki Occam's Razor page, by Tom: "What's the simplest explanation; that NASA has successfully designed and invented never before seen rocket technologies from scratch which can accelerate 100 tons of matter to an escape velocity of 7 miles per second"

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« Reply #12829 on: April 10, 2025, 02:55:35 PM »
Good to see that while dealing with trivial matters like breaking the world economy he hasn't lost sight of the really important stuff

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cm2eeggyppzo
Tom: "Claiming incredulity is a pretty bad argument. Calling it "insane" or "ridiculous" is not a good argument at all."

TFES Wiki Occam's Razor page, by Tom: "What's the simplest explanation; that NASA has successfully designed and invented never before seen rocket technologies from scratch which can accelerate 100 tons of matter to an escape velocity of 7 miles per second"

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Re: Trump
« Reply #12830 on: April 10, 2025, 03:45:51 PM »
Good to see that while dealing with trivial matters like breaking the world economy he hasn't lost sight of the really important stuff

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cm2eeggyppzo

If it takes 15 minutes of constant water to get your hair wet... You have problems with your hair.  Seek help.
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Re: Trump
« Reply #12831 on: April 10, 2025, 03:58:34 PM »
That's 37.5 gallons.  Mar-a-Largo must get shampoo delivered by tanker truck.   ::)

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« Reply #12832 on: April 10, 2025, 04:22:34 PM »
That's 37.5 gallons.  Mar-a-Largo must get shampoo delivered by tanker truck.   ::)

Or Trump has so much product in his hair, it literally repells water.
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Re: Trump
« Reply #12833 on: April 10, 2025, 10:29:48 PM »
That's 37.5 gallons.  Mar-a-Largo must get shampoo delivered by tanker truck.   ::)

Or Trump has so much product in his hair, it literally repells water.
Hmmm...  You might be onto something.

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Re: Trump
« Reply #12834 on: April 10, 2025, 11:03:48 PM »
"Make the Shower Great Again". 

Like many concepts, the French already have it nailed; "Encore le Grande Douche". 

Works on so many levels. 

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Re: Trump
« Reply #12835 on: April 11, 2025, 07:49:43 AM »
We really are living in the stupidest timeline

Tom: "Claiming incredulity is a pretty bad argument. Calling it "insane" or "ridiculous" is not a good argument at all."

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« Reply #12836 on: April 11, 2025, 08:10:03 AM »
We really are living in the stupidest timeline


Cult.
The literal definition of a cult.  He can say and almost anything, it doesn't matter.
He should just start taking concubines and write an EO that says he's president for life then his son will take over.
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Re: Trump
« Reply #12837 on: April 11, 2025, 06:08:13 PM »
We really are living in the stupidest timeline

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/V8_8xmDlM6A

Why are you posting this? This is from almost a year ago. But I agree with your statement, however. That we are living in the stupidest timeline is evident by a profound lack of comprehension skills employed when posting videos like this.

For example, in this video you posted he says that he didn't say lock her up, as in he did not originate the idea of lock her up. The crowd said it, and he says "lock her up is right" or, when responding to the crowd, "they should lock her up". He is obviously responding to the crowd in those video clip statements.

It wasn't his idea, which is a distinct difference. "I didn't say it" could mean several things here. You want it to mean universally, but Trump's use of it in the interview as support for why he didn't prosecute Hillary shows that he is saying that the idea did not originate with him. Had the idea originated with him, Trump is saying that he would have been more motivated to prosecute Hillary Clinton. A keen use of listening comprehension skills would have detected and understood which use of the phrase is correct.

As another example, you posted this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTwNUl-v57s

lol

Had reasonable comprehension skills been applied to this one would see that the person being interviewed is saying that he approves of tariffs, and that tariffs are a good strategy. His disagreements are about the exact particulars of the tariffs. This opposes the narrative you guys have been arguing that America imposing tariffs on its trading partners is bad in general. You guys did not nitpick about what is a better tarrif percentage to enact or which country is better than others to tariff.

It is almost as if you have been reactively posting videos and articles which align with you politically without critically going through the content at all.
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Re: Trump
« Reply #12838 on: April 11, 2025, 09:09:55 PM »
Why are you posting this?
"The algorithm" spat it out this morning and I thought it was interesting.
All politicians lie of course, but Trump lies in an interesting way. Boris Johnson is similar in this regard. Him and Trump both lie like a young child does. My niece tells a story of a time she was baby-sitting for a friend, and one kid pushed another over right in front of her. My niece said "why did you do that?" and the kid said "didn't!". The kid obviously did it. She knew she'd done it. She knew my niece had seen her do it. And lied anyway. I find it bizarre when an adult does that sort of thing.

And the really interesting thing is Trump has managed to get this cult following who must at some level know he lies to them but somehow manage to convince themselves that he isn't. The term Orwellian is overused but I don't know what else to call it. It's literally the scene in 1984 when Winston sees 4 fingers held up but manages to convince himself he sees 5.
And here you are, right on cue, managing to convince yourself you see 5 fingers by pretending words don't mean what you know they mean. I like to think you're trolling and not actually that far gone, but I honestly can't tell.

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Had reasonable comprehension skills been applied to this one would see that the person being interviewed is saying that he approves of tariffs, and that tariffs are a good strategy. His disagreements are about the exact particulars of the tariffs. This opposes the narrative you guys have been arguing that America imposing tariffs on its trading partners is bad in general.
Why are you lying? You know my posts are still there, right? You can just look at them. Like the one where I said:

The issue isn't that tariffs are bad, they're not good or bad - they're just a mechanism. The issue is very little analysis has gone into this, they've just used a blanket formula and used that to come up with some numbers. And Trump is doing it unilaterally without any of the checks and balances that should be in place in a functioning democracy.

The dude in the video calls what Trump has done a "terrible policy" and says it will do "real harm to Americans". He also explains what reciprocal tariffs actually are, and it isn't what Trump has announced despite him calling them that.

My issue isn't "tariffs bad". They aren't bad. But there's no strategy behind what Trump has done - well, there sort of is but it's based on a completely flawed premise that if country A is exporting more to the US than the US is exporting to country A then the country must be ripping you off somehow. That's far too simplistic when there are lots of countries and it's all so interconnected.

Another issue is that Trump is misusing emergency powers to set these tariffs without the checks and balances which should exist in a functioning democracy.

And every 5 minutes he changes his mind. First he announces the tariffs. Then there are rumours he's going to pause them, the White House say they're not looking at doing that and then 2 days later he pauses them. I saw an interview with a small business owner in the US saying she just doesn't know what to do right now because the policies keep changing. The market and businesses need stability and they're not getting it right now.

In brief: setting tariffs is complicated and should be done carefully and strategically. It cannot be reduced to an Excel formula.
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Re: Trump
« Reply #12839 on: Today at 01:47:49 PM »
I wonder how much the tariffs will affect the price of MAGA merch.
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