[rabinoz]

I'll show why the map is wrong:

This is a route from South Africa Johannesburg (FAOR Airport) to Sydney.

FAOR to SYD

The airlines is QANTAS

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On the flyhtaware FAOR as on the west and the Sydney on East. Meanwhile, the saor as a little on the north compared to Sydney. Or Sydney is on a little south side compared to FAOR.

First we look where the places are these cities on a map.

I will accept where Sydney and Johannesburg are.

Now we are going with this plane from Johannesburg to Sydney.

As we see on the route that, we will fly to "South east" first, and later "north east" as we see on the map. But we see again, the "South east route is longer than north east". we already figured that because we had further to Sydney on the south from Johannesburg.

In Turkish "South east" is "guneydogu" and "northeast is "kuzeydogu". So our expectation is see more "guneydogu(southeast) than the kuzeydogu (northeast).

Lets look to the track record.

First routes are maneveour. I show it to see track log is which distances: FAOR (Johannesburg) to SYD (Sydney).

At  20:21 it started  to route: South-east

At 21:06 it changed the route: Norh-East.

Now the time changed to 05:14.

Now we look to the other route: "North-East"
Started on 05:14North-East route finished on 06:38. After that plane started to maneveur again. So it flown about (06:38-05:14) = 1 hours 24 minutes on the North-East Route.

We saw on the graphics that we flown 36 minutes to "South-East" and 1 hours 24 minutes to "North-East". But our figured that "South-East" route must longer than "North-East". Now we look to  7th picture again. The route changed from SE to NE.

We can't see which time it has changed. It is difficult to carry out an idea about which one is longer because time is too long. It is (05:14 - 21:06) about 8 hours!

So what's happening in these 8 hours, who knows?

By the way, you can plot FlightAware tracks on Google Earth using the "Google" button
Look at these maps:

   

I have plotted the FlightAware log onto Google Earth and it shows exactly what happens. The times and distances below are from the FlightAware log plotted onto Google maps. They agree fairly closely with the Flight aware totals (no surprising - they are all FlightAware figures + Google Earth).

		Leaving Jo'burg		Untracked		Approaching Sydney		Total for Flight		FlightAware for QFA64
Distance Flown		708 km		8,966 km		1,410 km		11,084 km		11,088 km
Time Taken		0.79 hrs		8.14 hrs		1.52 hrs		10.44 hrs		10.44 hrs
Average Speed		902 km/hr		1,102 km/hr		928 km/hr		1,061 km/hr		1,062 km/hr

Do you understand now why may i using "Qantas and (satanq) words together? Maybe pilots don't do this it intentionally but as result the Qantas in a way is hiding the truth.

You ask "So what's happening in these 8 hours, who knows?" They are simply flying across the Indian ocean.

And QANTAS is NOT hiding ANYTHING!

The only way FlightAware knows where the aircraft are is from ground radar. GPS satellites do not track aircraft.

The left pair of maps above show how flight radar fro South Africa track the aircraft for about 708 km (the section I have shown in white), the for the next 8,966 km (8 hrs 8 min 22 secs, shown in yellow). There is no radar coverage until nearing Australia, when the aircraft is tracked for another 1,410 km. The distance and route in the "untracked" section is simply the "shortest route" (Great Circle). This how FlightAware complete their maps - there is no way of knowing the exact track here, but the times and distance look right.

So, there is no great mystery. There is simply no radar coverage of large stretches of ocean.

I have done similar maps for QFA63. One is shown below:

The interesting points here is that the aircraft flies much further south and takes 2.82 hours more.  This because the West to East flight can take advantage of the jet stream tailwinds along the "shortest route", but the East to West flight goes further south to avoid these.

So, there is nothing wrong the maps, and no "mystery" where the aircraft go - they are just flying!

<<typo, I had QFA84 instead of QFA64 and I rechecked the data>>

[İntikam]

Anyway. Your explanation about one route 2.82 hours more than opposite route is not believable and not scientific. It's look like a superstition. 

[rabinoz]

Anyway. Your explanation about one route 2.82 hours more than opposite route is not believable and not scientific. It's look like a superstition. 

Look I gave you the REASON, not just an explanation. And it is completely scientific. If you bother to look you will find that almost all West to East flights take less time than East to West flights, though that will depend on the winds at the latitudes involved.

I have not been lying to you and I have not been trying to deceive you. I have been completely honest at finding the REASON for what you seemed blame on some conspiracy. I really don't know what explanation you have, but I can assure you that what I have told you is correct!

Go look up about the Jet Streams yourself and you will find that they are very real.

Look, I do not feel like spending more hours getting the data to explain these things to you, just carry on being wrong if that is what you really want.

GOODBYE!

[Venus]

I found a source like at the bottom. But i don't understand it exactly. My english knowledge is insufficent to exactly understand it. If someone read and understand and can explain me what he which method does arrive at the conclusion which suggests that exactly?

Ridiculous Yacht Race Around Antarctica can't be Real.



ABOVE, we see a diagram of the "race track" around Antarctica for the VENDEE GLOBE race that starts in France. When I first ran across this, I thought it was some kind of joke or maybe a board game. But no. This is being promoted as the real thing with a full entry and history on Wikipedia. Note the "gates", the "sections" and so on. What is MISSING-- are the numerous radar points along the Antarctic coast (I'll find the map later)... that could act as checkpoints. There are numerous questions raised when considering this "race"-- Let's get started.


SEARCH shows 200K + hits for
yacht race around antarctica - Google Search

WIKIPEDIA ENTRY on this race named "VENDEE GLOBE"-- which is funny to me because if the earth is flat, the creator or sponsors of this race feel so insecure about their "globe" earth cover-up that they just HAD to put the word "GLOBE" into the name of the race-- as if to make sure the word got out again-- just as it has with the use of the word globe instead of world-- for decades now. (I forget who, among the flat earthers, pointed out the use of the word "global" instead of "world".)







Vendée Globe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vendée_Globe
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The Vendée Globe is a round-the-world single-handed yacht race, sailed ... then clockwisearound Antarctica, keeping Cape Leeuwin and Cape Horn to port; ...

The Vendée Globe is a round-the-world single-handed yacht race, sailed non-stop and without assistance.[1] The race was founded by Philippe Jeantot in 1989,[2] and since 1992 has taken place every four years. The 2016–2017 edition is planned to start on Sunday, 6 November 2016.[3]






4.1 1989–90
4.2 1992–93
4.3 1996–97
4.4 2000–01
4.5 2004–05
4.6 2008–09
4.7 2012–13



Rick says... Here is the map Wikipedia -- and even perhaps the race organizers use to show their route. Why this projection? Why not a tilted projection showing the "bottom" of their "globe" in all its glory?

Here's a google search on
map of earth antarctica projection south pole - Google Search

I liked this result -- it shows the map as Wiki and the race organizers SHOULD show it so that we can understand the route, the markers, the timing and so on. Of course, they won't use a map that HELPS us to understand-- only maps that sort of leave us CONFUSED.
World South Pole Lambert Azimuthal Equal Area Projection Map | South Pole Lambert Azimuthal Equal Area Projection World Map





Consider the alternative possible route on a flat earth where it would be impossible to travel the 60,000 mile Antarctic perimeter in a sailboat. To fool the public, the organizers would simply sail from France down to South Africa, turn around and go to Tierra Del Fuego and then return to France SAYING they travelled "around Antarctica".



If the world is flat, the following route could advertised as a race around Antarctica-- a loop in the mid-Atlantic, a stop in Rio-- and they call it day.



Here's an even more likely hoax scenario. The Sailboats leave France then dock somewhere in a friendly North African country where they have a green screen studio complete with wind-tunnels and artificial ice. They could pretend they've sailed into Antarctic waters between studio breaks and parties whooping it up, joyous in the fact that they're highly paid lackeys of the Global Hoaxers.



If the world is flat, the following map represents a route I imagine they'd have to take: a 60,000 mile trip around the ice rim. I found a radar pinger system map which I think might be real-- but I lost it for now-- and have merely place my own radar-pinger system in purple dots around the ice rim. The race would have to check in somehow with radar or radio pulses at each checkpoint. I haven't seen anything of this sort written about regarding the race.



If the world turns out to be indeed a globe, a reasonable race around Antarctica would START at a South American Chilean or Argentine city with big fanfare at a big dock with lots of journalists and flat earthers. They should be monitered as they circumscribe the island via the radar/radar checkpoints. Starting and ending the race in the northern hemisphere itself makes this race highly suspect.




How have these organizers been able to get away with this "race" for a few decades-- every four years-- -without major mainstream media attention let alone critical analysis?  I seem to be the first one ever pointing to this as fake.... even POTENTIALLY fake. Is everyone so caught up in the rat race and phony terror that there's no time or energy to debunk obvious candidates like this? Well... I'll just do my best in coming weeks. Thanks to Felix for helping out. We're getting more hits than I thought possible on this blog-- everyone is invited to contribute to solving this puzzle.

I'll get back to the AIRPLANE / fuel mileage distance analysis soon... this yacht race caught my attention a few months ago and this is the first time I took it seriously-- simply because it begs to be looked at in the context I'm considering here-- which is the earth could very well be flat.. and this race a propaganda piece for the globe-- just like NASA's phony space program and fish eye lens views of the horizon & other fakery.

Rather than a yacht race around Antarctica, I'd like to see a Jet Plane Race around Antarctica. I'll think on what that would entail in coming months.

http://rickpotvinflatearth.blogspot.nl/2015/05/ridiculous-yaght-race-around-antarctica.html

Your maps show two different antarctic yacht races - the first map is the Antarctica Cup Ocean Race which sails a total of 14,000 nautical miles (16,111 miles). The next race starts in January 2018. This race starts from Albany in Western Australia and travels around Antarctica. Fred Konukhov was the only entrant in 2008. Lisa Blair intends to sail in the second ever race in 2018 and is so far the only competitor to register. It took Fred 102 days to complete the "race". Lisa Blair is determined to beat his time in 2018 (and will!!)

The Vendee Globe Yacht Race starts from France because it was founded by Philippe Jeantot, who is French. Long distance solo sailors are treated like rock stars in France. The next one starts in November of this year. This is a solo race. There is no information available on the distance of this race, but the record is 78 days.

[rabinoz]

Anyway. Your explanation about one route 2.82 hours more than opposite route is not believable and not scientific. It's look like a superstition. 

In the last reply I made to you I did not have the time to look up details of Jet Streams. I knew they we often at speeds of 160 km/hr or more, that's all.

Well let's get scientific! The figures I gave for Flight QFA64 from Johannesburg to Sydney were:

		Leaving Jo'burg		Untracked		Approaching Sydney		Total for Flight
Distance Flown		708 km		8,966 km		1,410 km		11,084 km
Time Taken		0.79 hrs		8.14 hrs		1.52 hrs		10.44 hrs
Average Speed		902 km/hr		1,102 km/hr		928 km/hr		1,061 km/hr

The corresponding data for the reverse flight, QFA63, is:

		Leaving Sydney		Untracked		Approaching Jo'burg		Total for Flight
Distance Flown		1,350 km		9,256 km		664 km		11,270 km
Time Taken		1.51 hrs		10.89 hrs		0.83 hrs		13.23 hrs
Average Speed		895 km/hr		850 km/hr		796  km/hr		852 km/hr

Now the average long range cruising speed for a Boeing 747-400 is 907 km/hr, so we can compare the average speeds in the "untracked" sections of the flights as:

Route		Average		Difference
QFA63 East-West Flight  "untracked" Average:		850 km/hr		-57 km/hr
Boeing 747-400 long range cruising speed:		907 km/hr
QFA64 West-East Flight  "untracked" Average:		1,102 km/hr		195 km/hr

So you will note that the average speed for the untracked portion of the East to West flight (QFA63) is 57 km/hr less than the the tyipcal long range cruising speed of the Boeing 747-400 but
the average speed for the untracked portion of the West to East flight (QFA64) is 195 km/hr more than the the tyipcal long range cruising speed of the Boeing 747-400.

This would indicate that QFA63 was "fighting" a headwind averaging about 57 km/h, but QFA64 had the advantage of a tailwind averaging about 195 km/h.

Now, if we look up typical Jet Stream speeds, for example in: Weather Model - Indian Ocean Jet Stream Wind and 250 mb Pressure, you will find that the 195 km/hr is not unreasonable, though I do not know the windspeeds on those days.

Weather Model - Indian Ocean Jet Stream Wind and 250 mb Pressure

The reference I gave above gives forecasts of the Indian Ocean Jet Stream patterns.

Now, just how scientific do you want me to get?

Now, can we just forget these flights. QANTAS is not "hiding anything" and the 2.86 hours difference in flight times is due simply to the Jet Stream winds.
Those are the facts, and there is nothing you or I can do about it.

[Venus]

Anyway. Your explanation about one route 2.82 hours more than opposite route is not believable and not scientific. It's look like a superstition. 

Intikam have you ever flown long haul flights???
Just asking because I have done an awful lot of international travel, and always one way will be much quicker than the other way. On a really long flight eg Sydney to LA this difference could be more than 2 hours longer - actually Sydney to Los Angeles takes about 13 hours 30 minutes, Los Angeles to Sydney takes about 15 hours 30 minutes coming back.
The reason is jetstreams ... "The main commercial relevance of the jet streams is in air travel, as flight time can be dramatically affected by either flying with the flow or against." from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jet_stream
I guess they were called jetstreams because they affect jet travel !!!

And shock horror... you can leave Sydney around 10am on a Tuesday morning ... and arrive in LA at around 6am on the same day ie Tuesday - literally 4 hours earlier!! YES we can travel back in time lol
Unfortunately on the way back ... leave LA around 10pm on a Tuesday night and you don't get back to Sydney until 6am in the morning two days later ie the Thursday (oh how I always hate the flight home from LA ... so much longer and you completely miss a day grrrrr) I've done this trip on numerous occasions (lost count), usually from Melbourne, sometimes nonstop, sometimes via Auckland, sometimes via Sydney, sometimes via Brisbane. Considering I then have to get to Oklahoma, which means transit time and a stopover in Salt Lake City, Denver or Dallas (although more fun to spend a few days in Vegas!) and can add up to another 8 hours, it is a grueling trip ... especially when alone !! (Worth it to see family though :-)

But even Melbourne to Bali (Denpasar), which I visit every 2 or 3 years and have done so since 1984, is quicker one way than the other (coming home is quicker) ... same when I have been on other trips to various places - Japan, Thailand, Canada (Vancouver) even a country as close as New Zealand or within Australia from Melbourne to Perth or Melbourne to Cairns ... always quicker one way than the other

It is believable, there is a scientific explanation for it and it is not superstition ...

[İntikam]

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