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« Reply #200 on: September 26, 2024, 07:39:56 PM »
According to the article I linked…
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Trump and Vance, a U.S. senator from Ohio, are charged with disrupting public services, making false alarms, telecommunications harassment, aggravated menacing and complicity.

Yes, it’s doubtful that the case will go anywhere, but it’s yet another example of the number of fucks that Trump gives about the truth and the potential consequences of his words and actions.

It's also an example of the kind of overblown, unnecessary actions taken against Trump that his followers use as ammo to say that he's just being targeted for political reasons, and given that they're correct in this case, it's justification for that attitude. This really isn't helping any.
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« Reply #201 on: September 26, 2024, 08:06:31 PM »
Trump thrives on conflict.  If we ignored him, he'd be powerless. 

I wish we could ignore him.
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« Reply #202 on: September 26, 2024, 09:02:16 PM »
What personal profit?  It’s a criminal case being filed, not a civil one.

They're baiting donations for a cause they know has no chance of succeeding.

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« Reply #203 on: September 26, 2024, 09:15:54 PM »
What personal profit?  It’s a criminal case being filed, not a civil one.

They're baiting donations for a cause they know has no chance of succeeding.
As if Trump hasn't been fund raising to pay his legal bills for years. ::)
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« Reply #204 on: September 26, 2024, 10:14:29 PM »
To me it sounds like political theater to show the locals that they are trying to do something, even if its pointless.

Most people want action, not thoughts of action.  Even if that action is known to be pointless.
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« Reply #205 on: September 26, 2024, 11:45:52 PM »
What personal profit?  It’s a criminal case being filed, not a civil one.

They're baiting donations for a cause they know has no chance of succeeding.
As if Trump hasn't been fund raising to pay his legal bills for years. ::)

Okay? "Trump did wrong thing, therefore they can do wrong thing too" is not a very rational thought process, markjo.

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« Reply #206 on: September 27, 2024, 12:22:54 AM »
Okay? "Trump did wrong thing, therefore they can do wrong thing too" is not a very rational thought process, markjo.
"Trump did the wrong thing" is why the nonprofit organization representing the Haitian immigrants who have legal status is filing criminal charges against Trump, even if the local authorities won't.
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« Reply #207 on: September 27, 2024, 08:40:27 AM »
Yes, it’s doubtful that the case will go anywhere, but it’s yet another example of the number of fucks that Trump gives about the truth and the potential consequences of his words and actions.
Right.
This is my big issue with Trump. I disagree with his general worldview. But that's OK, that can be the basis for some discussion.
But the big issue is the way he comes to decisions and conclusions about things.
He sees something on TV about Haitians eating cats in Springfield - from one of the networks he watches which constantly reinforce his worldview.
He regurgitates it in the debate, is immediately told that there are no credible reports of that actually happening and just mutters "well, I saw it on TV..."

I think literally the next day he's announcing mass deportations, clearly having made zero effort to actually check anything

Now, clearly the mass immigration in to Springfield has caused issues. It's reasonable to believe that something should be done. But the something should be based on actual facts and an understanding of the situation, not right leaning media outlets feeding you lies which you don't bother to check and then start basing policy on even after being told that they were lies.

For someone who goes on about "fake news" all the time, he sure does like to lap up all the lies which feed in to his worldview. Which is depressingly common these days of course, but I don't think anyone who does that should be in any position of power. Make policy based on data and facts, not "stuff you saw on TV". Sigh.
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« Reply #208 on: September 27, 2024, 11:26:25 PM »
Trump was promising mass deportations before the Springfield story came out. Your interpretation about what occurred is invalid.

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« Reply #209 on: September 28, 2024, 04:01:25 AM »
This is my big issue with Trump. I disagree with his general worldview. But that's OK, that can be the basis for some discussion.
But the big issue is the way he comes to decisions and conclusions about things.
He sees something on TV about Haitians eating cats in Springfield - from one of the networks he watches which constantly reinforce his worldview.
He regurgitates it in the debate, is immediately told that there are no credible reports of that actually happening and just mutters "well, I saw it on TV..."

I think literally the next day he's announcing mass deportations, clearly having made zero effort to actually check anything

Now, clearly the mass immigration in to Springfield has caused issues. It's reasonable to believe that something should be done. But the something should be based on actual facts and an understanding of the situation, not right leaning media outlets feeding you lies which you don't bother to check and then start basing policy on even after being told that they were lies.

For someone who goes on about "fake news" all the time, he sure does like to lap up all the lies which feed in to his worldview. Which is depressingly common these days of course, but I don't think anyone who does that should be in any position of power. Make policy based on data and facts, not "stuff you saw on TV". Sigh.

Do you really think that Trump sincerely believes that Haitian migrants are running amok and eating pets in Springfield? I certainly don't. This is a strategic move on his part. He's seen success with making racist or racially-charged attacks in the past, and he's trying to replicate that.
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« Reply #210 on: September 28, 2024, 08:28:22 AM »
No "credible" reports. So, some reports were made.

Is it true Haitians eat dogs and/or cats?

Yes. It is part of voodoo.
To be honest I am getting pretty bored of this place.

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« Reply #211 on: September 28, 2024, 09:01:36 AM »
No "credible" reports. So, some reports were made.
I hereby report that Donald Trump travelled to my neighbourhood and ate all the dogs. With ketchup.
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« Reply #212 on: September 28, 2024, 10:28:50 AM »
Do you really think that Trump sincerely believes that Haitian migrants are running amok and eating pets in Springfield? I certainly don't. This is a strategic move on his part. He's seen success with makiig racist or racially-charged attacks in the past, and he's trying to replicate that.
I dunno. I don’t think he’s that smart.
If he is just playing dumb then he deserves an Oscar. It’s a triumph of method acting.
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« Reply #213 on: September 28, 2024, 10:49:35 AM »
No "credible" reports. So, some reports were made.

Is it true Haitians eat dogs and/or cats?

Yes. It is part of voodoo.
It's not.

Also, the report in question was a woman who lost her cat and blamed the neighbors.
The cat was found in her basement.
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« Reply #214 on: September 28, 2024, 11:43:05 AM »
No "credible" reports. So, some reports were made.
I hereby report that Donald Trump travelled to my neighbourhood and ate all the dogs. With ketchup.
Thank you for reporting that.
To be honest I am getting pretty bored of this place.

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« Reply #215 on: September 28, 2024, 11:43:44 AM »
No "credible" reports. So, some reports were made.

Is it true Haitians eat dogs and/or cats?

Yes. It is part of voodoo.
It's not.

Also, the report in question was a woman who lost her cat and blamed the neighbors.
The cat was found in her basement.
It is part of voodoo rituals.
To be honest I am getting pretty bored of this place.

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« Reply #216 on: September 28, 2024, 01:15:48 PM »
Okay? "Trump did wrong thing, therefore they can do wrong thing too" is not a very rational thought process, markjo.
"Trump did the wrong thing" is why the nonprofit organization representing the Haitian immigrants who have legal status is filing criminal charges against Trump, even if the local authorities won't.

Wasting justice system time with frivolous charges is not the morally right thing to do. Trump made some morally wrong choices, but they weren't illegal. I know you have a hard time with this, markjo, but the legal system and morality are not 1:1.

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« Reply #217 on: September 28, 2024, 07:08:55 PM »
No "credible" reports. So, some reports were made.

Is it true Haitians eat dogs and/or cats?

Yes. It is part of voodoo.
It's not.

Also, the report in question was a woman who lost her cat and blamed the neighbors.
The cat was found in her basement.
It is part of voodoo rituals.
And you have evidence of this?  Or should I just take your non-voodoo ass's word for it?
The conviction will get overturned on appeal.

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« Reply #218 on: September 29, 2024, 06:02:16 PM »
No "credible" reports. So, some reports were made.

Is it true Haitians eat dogs and/or cats?

Yes. It is part of voodoo.
It's not.

Also, the report in question was a woman who lost her cat and blamed the neighbors.
The cat was found in her basement.
It is part of voodoo rituals.
And you have evidence of this?  Or should I just take your non-voodoo ass's word for it?
You ever been to Haiti?
To be honest I am getting pretty bored of this place.

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« Reply #219 on: September 29, 2024, 08:40:30 PM »
No "credible" reports. So, some reports were made.

Is it true Haitians eat dogs and/or cats?

Yes. It is part of voodoo.
It's not.

Also, the report in question was a woman who lost her cat and blamed the neighbors.
The cat was found in her basement.
It is part of voodoo rituals.
And you have evidence of this?  Or should I just take your non-voodoo ass's word for it?
You ever been to Haiti?
No.  Have you?
The conviction will get overturned on appeal.