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Re: No flights over the north or south pole at the moment?
« Reply #20 on: October 08, 2014, 03:15:39 AM »
They do seem like bots. Would be interested to know what they do for a living...when they find the time for it.

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Re: No flights over the north or south pole at the moment?
« Reply #21 on: October 08, 2014, 04:32:35 AM »
Most planes that do attempt to cross the poles usually mysteriously vanish. There are several accounts of them being shot down by black helicopters as well.

Why would anyone resort to such extreme measures just to stop someone from seeing the poles?
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Re: No flights over the north or south pole at the moment?
« Reply #22 on: October 08, 2014, 07:08:54 AM »
Hey Markjo, the Christchurch - Santiago flight is the perfect example of the BS.

Standard flight time is over 14 hours.  The great circle distance is 5,823 miles, while the 747 has a typical cruise speed of 567mph... so the flight time should be less than 11 hours.  Also, the winds should favour a faster flight, as the do from Perth to Melbourne, which I have had the pleasure of doing in 2 hrs 35 mins, total dist 1690 miles.  So it is quite possible that the Ch-Sant flight could be over in 9 hours.

Mind you, the flight time of over 14 hours is consistent with the UN Map.

Sydney to J'burg is 6870 miles and should take around 12 hours by GCN.  And guess what the standard flight time is.... 14 hours 25 mins... once again consistent with the UN Map...

oh.... still no flights over the arctic or antarctic today...
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Re: No flights over the north or south pole at the moment?
« Reply #23 on: October 08, 2014, 11:27:55 AM »
Quote from: anounceofsaltperday on October 08, 2014, 07:08:54 AM
Hey Markjo, the Christchurch - Santiago flight is the perfect example of the BS.
Who flies from Christchurch to Santiago?  Would you care to take a south polar projection map and show the route, please?

Quote from: anounceofsaltperday on October 08, 2014, 07:08:54 AM
Mind you, the flight time of over 14 hours is consistent with the UN Map.
Would you care to show me a UN map with a scale?

Quote from: anounceofsaltperday on October 08, 2014, 07:08:54 AM
Sydney to J'burg is 6870 miles and should take around 12 hours by GCN.  And guess what the standard flight time is.... 14 hours 25 mins... once again consistent with the UN Map...
Again, would you care to show me that route on a south polar projection map?

Quote from: anounceofsaltperday on October 08, 2014, 07:08:54 AM
oh.... still no flights over the arctic or antarctic today...
Would care to us show any flight routes that would make sense to fly over the Arctic or Antarctica, because I don't really know of any off the top of my head.  Don't tell us, show on a map.
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Re: No flights over the north or south pole at the moment?
« Reply #24 on: October 08, 2014, 11:53:00 AM »
Hey Markjo.. you are the one that put the route map up.  Air NZ flies Christchurch to Santiago as per your pic.  Why do you need me to use Google Earth for you to mark out the Sydney to J'burg flight?  You do have a pewter... or you wouldn't be here... what gives with you? You are a sim.

You are on the FES site and you say BS things like "show me the UN Map"... you are a sim.... you HAUNT this site... if you were real and not the latest sim occupying the chair you could draw the UN Map on a napkin blindfolded.  Sim. Sim. Sim.

And ... I just checked again... still no polar flights... 

You need to get your boss to sim some data for polar flights..

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Re: No flights over the north or south pole at the moment?
« Reply #25 on: October 08, 2014, 11:56:02 AM »
I can say with some certainty that markjo is real.  No sim could make the number of terrible jokes he does.
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Re: No flights over the north or south pole at the moment?
« Reply #26 on: October 08, 2014, 12:25:12 PM »
i am not buying it Sadman... so far he has CLEARLY demonstrated nothing but contempt for FES thinking.  Why would a professed globalist spend the huge amount of time on this site that Markjo does when he simply gainsays everything that is put to him.    No explanations, just a brick wall bully... "show me a map...or I will ... bla bla..."

Why are you disrupting this site Markjo?    What are you gaining from this? 

Why are you always misleading people in every single topic?  I have called you out time and time again... and you provide not one single explanation.

I have plenty more to come Markjo... and you will be outed .. : )
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« Reply #27 on: October 08, 2014, 12:49:44 PM »
Quote from: anounceofsaltperday on October 08, 2014, 11:53:00 AM
Hey Markjo.. you are the one that put the route map up.  Air NZ flies Christchurch to Santiago as per your pic.  Why do you need me to use Google Earth for you to mark out the Sydney to J'burg flight?
Because I did use Google Earth and saw very few flight paths that would benefit from flying over Antarctica like you're claiming.  Is it really asking too much for you to support your claim with evidence? 
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Re: No flights over the north or south pole at the moment?
« Reply #28 on: October 08, 2014, 01:03:43 PM »
Quote from: markjo on October 08, 2014, 12:49:44 PM
Quote from: anounceofsaltperday on October 08, 2014, 11:53:00 AM
Hey Markjo.. you are the one that put the route map up.  Air NZ flies Christchurch to Santiago as per your pic.  Why do you need me to use Google Earth for you to mark out the Sydney to J'burg flight?
Because I did use Google Earth and saw very few flight paths that would benefit from flying over Antarctica like you're claiming.  Is it really asking too much for you to support your claim with evidence? 

Like I said, the only flight I could see that would benefit from a polar route route was Santiago to Perth.  I could not really see any in the Northern Hemisphere, whose danger factor is increased by the lack of solid ground at the North Pole.

Markjo, you are a Sim.  In my current game I have you going on a date with Saddam tonight.  I hope you have eaten.
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Re: No flights over the north or south pole at the moment?
« Reply #29 on: October 08, 2014, 01:23:10 PM »
Quote from: anounceofsaltperday on October 08, 2014, 12:25:12 PM
Why are you disrupting this site Markjo?    What are you gaining from this? 
My purpose is to weed out the lesser FE wannabes.
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Re: No flights over the north or south pole at the moment?
« Reply #30 on: October 08, 2014, 02:44:10 PM »
Quote from: markjo on October 08, 2014, 01:23:10 PM
Quote from: anounceofsaltperday on October 08, 2014, 12:25:12 PM
Why are you disrupting this site Markjo?    What are you gaining from this? 
My purpose is to weed out the lesser FE wannabes.
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Re: No flights over the north or south pole at the moment?
« Reply #31 on: October 08, 2014, 07:35:52 PM »
Well there are two obvious flights that just don't happen... Oslo to Vancouver, Stockholm to Vancouver.

Oslo to Vancouver is 4,500 miles and should take less than 8 hours.  Actual flying time is over 12 hours PLUS one stop!  The Stockholm flight is 12hrs 30mins PLUS one stop.

Helsinki to Vancouver is 4,683 miles and should be an easy 8 1/2 hours...  Actual flying time 12 hours 20 mins PLUS one stop.

What about Copenhagan to Honalulu?  7,100 miles.. another easy 12 1/2 hours flying time ... ACTUAL flying time is 21 hour and 11 minutes....

Lets face it globalists Markjo and Ramaset, you have once again stood in, smelled, touched and tasted your own BS once again...
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Re: No flights over the north or south pole at the moment?
« Reply #32 on: October 08, 2014, 07:46:17 PM »

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« Reply #33 on: October 08, 2014, 07:56:52 PM »
Quote from: Rama Set on October 08, 2014, 01:03:43 PM
Markjo, you are a Sim.  In my current game I have you going on a date with Saddam tonight.  I hope you have eaten.

Screenshots please.
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Re: No flights over the north or south pole at the moment?
« Reply #34 on: October 08, 2014, 08:15:01 PM »
go bite yourself... i am not going to eff around doing something you can do on google earth
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Re: No flights over the north or south pole at the moment?
« Reply #35 on: October 08, 2014, 08:17:16 PM »
Quote from: anounceofsaltperday on October 08, 2014, 07:35:52 PM
Lets face it globalists Markjo and Ramaset, you have once again stood in, smelled, touched and tasted your own BS once again...
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Quote from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polar_route#The_Arctic
The main obstacle to flights across Russia was the inadequate Russian air traffic control system and a lack of English communication. To solve these issues RACGAT (Russian-American Coordinating Group for Air Traffic) was formed in 1993. By summer 1998 the Russian government gave permission to open four cross-polar routes, named Polar 1, 2, 3 and 4.[4] Cathay Pacific flew the first polar flight into Siberia in July 1998.

Polar routes are now common on airlines connecting Asian cities (Bangkok, Beijing, Dubai, Hong Kong, New Delhi, Seoul, Singapore, Taipei and Tokyo) to North American cities (New York, Chicago, Detroit, Houston, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Seattle, Toronto, Vancouver and Washington, D.C.). Emirates flies nonstop from Dubai to the US West Coast (San Francisco, Seattle and Los Angeles), coming within a few degrees of latitude of the North Pole.[5]
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Re: No flights over the north or south pole at the moment?
« Reply #36 on: October 08, 2014, 08:54:43 PM »
perfect example Markjo... i am going to do that flight
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Re: No flights over the north or south pole at the moment?
« Reply #37 on: October 08, 2014, 10:49:28 PM »
Quote from: markjo on October 06, 2014, 06:26:57 PM
Quote from: Tausami on October 06, 2014, 04:35:53 PM
It does seem rather suspicious that no airliner specializes in over-the-pole trips.
*sigh*  Do you even slightest bit of research before you make any of your outlandish claims?  Both poles seem to sport a fairly robust tourist industry.
http://wikitravel.org/en/North_Pole
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tourism_in_Antarctica
http://www.polarflug.de/index.php?p=2
http://www.quarkexpeditions.com/en/arctic/expeditions/north-pole?gclid=CMyy68jRmMECFeJF7AodzHEAlQ
http://www.arcticodysseys.com/l_north_pole.html
http://www.adventure-network.com/experiences/south-pole-flights
http://www.antarcticaflights.com.au/

Nobody mentioned Antarctic tourism. I think this would be a good time to reference rif.org. We're discussing commercial trans-polar air travel, which the RE'ers in the thread are greatly underestimating the market potential of.
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Re: No flights over the north or south pole at the moment?
« Reply #38 on: October 08, 2014, 11:03:16 PM »
Quote from: Tausami on October 08, 2014, 10:49:28 PM
Quote from: markjo on October 06, 2014, 06:26:57 PM
Quote from: Tausami on October 06, 2014, 04:35:53 PM
It does seem rather suspicious that no airliner specializes in over-the-pole trips.
*sigh*  Do you even slightest bit of research before you make any of your outlandish claims?  Both poles seem to sport a fairly robust tourist industry.
http://wikitravel.org/en/North_Pole
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tourism_in_Antarctica
http://www.polarflug.de/index.php?p=2
http://www.quarkexpeditions.com/en/arctic/expeditions/north-pole?gclid=CMyy68jRmMECFeJF7AodzHEAlQ
http://www.arcticodysseys.com/l_north_pole.html
http://www.adventure-network.com/experiences/south-pole-flights
http://www.antarcticaflights.com.au/

Nobody mentioned Antarctic tourism. I think this would be a good time to reference rif.org. We're discussing commercial trans-polar air travel, which the RE'ers in the thread are greatly underestimating the market potential of.

Oh really. What do you project the revenue of it to be?
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Re: No flights over the north or south pole at the moment?
« Reply #39 on: October 09, 2014, 09:36:00 AM »
so here is a humble pie apology to Markjo.  GREAT pickup on the the Dubai to Seattle flight.   

Does anyone know if there are any pics of the North pole area taken from that flight?  I would relish seeing them.
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