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Sonic games are literally the worst
« on: July 31, 2014, 01:39:12 AM »
I didn't really know where to put this, but:



Finally, someone agrees. I have a place in my heart for the series, mainly thanks to Sonic Adventure 1 & 2 (which were mainly thanks to Sonic's levels and, more than anything, the chao gardens which omgomg adorable ;w; ), but I have always staunchly thought the first few games were simply not good games. They are terribly designed, IMO, and amazingly flawed, and this video really hits all the nails on their respective heads.
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Re: Sonic games are literally the worst
« Reply #1 on: July 31, 2014, 01:51:04 AM »
Sonic Adventure 1 & 2 are terribly designed and amazingly flawed.
I agree, Sonic should never have gone 3D.

Also, the most overrated game ever is Final Fantasy VII.

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« Reply #2 on: July 31, 2014, 01:56:15 AM »
Quite like their pre-rec reviews now. Turns out the guys at RLM are more than just film hipsters.

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Re: Sonic games are literally the worst
« Reply #3 on: July 31, 2014, 02:04:05 AM »
Sonic Adventure 1 & 2 are terribly designed and amazingly flawed.
I agree, Sonic should never have gone 3D.

Also, the most overrated game ever is Final Fantasy VII.

Sonic should never have been made, period. There are no good Sonic games (with maybe the exception of Sonic 3).
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« Reply #4 on: July 31, 2014, 02:58:35 AM »
Ouch. I like Sonic 2. I've played hours of that game with my brothers as a child.

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Re: Sonic games are literally the worst
« Reply #5 on: July 31, 2014, 08:01:12 AM »
Sonic Adventure 1 & 2 are terribly designed and amazingly flawed.
I agree, Sonic should never have gone 3D.

Also, the most overrated game ever is Final Fantasy VII.

Sonic should never have been made, period. There are no good Sonic games (with maybe the exception of Sonic 3).

The first four Sonic games (up to Sonic and Knuckles) were great games. Occasionally they've released a good one like Sonic Rush since, but generally they've been terrible. Sonic 4 had the potential to be good but it doesn't flow properly, things keep unlocking without giving you any idea how you did it, I have no idea what order the levels are supposed to be in, etc.

For one last hurrah, they should re-release the first 2D games with updated sound and visuals as one complete collection, throw in Sonic 4, CD, and some of the Game Gear games and let the spiny devil have his day.

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Re: Sonic games are literally the worst
« Reply #6 on: July 31, 2014, 06:12:22 PM »



The first four Sonic games (up to Sonic and Knuckles) were great games.

Well this is where we disagree
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Re: Sonic games are literally the worst
« Reply #7 on: August 01, 2014, 08:11:40 AM »



The first four Sonic games (up to Sonic and Knuckles) were great games.

Well this is where we disagree

Fast paced, bright, colourful worlds, plenty of alternative routes and hidden paths through the levels if you bothered to explore, limited power-ups, mind-bending special stages. What's not to like?

Ok, they were probably a little too easy and the music in Sonic 1 was ear-wrenching, but otherwise, great games.

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« Reply #8 on: August 01, 2014, 08:16:50 AM »
Did you watch the video I linked? They go a lot more in-depth a lot better than I can, but basically the game's entire design is counter-intuitive, especially to its own "go fast" purpose. Playing Sonic games fast (again, with the possible exception of Sonic & Knuckles) is basically a death-trap if you don't have the levels already memorized or well-known from prior playthroughs (say, from being a kid and liking it because colours and it's a game). They even point out specific points in the game where you literally have about a quarter of a second to react to things coming from off-screen because of the centering of Sonic on a 4:3 screen.
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« Reply #9 on: August 02, 2014, 04:43:54 AM »
Did you watch the video I linked?
I was going to, but those guys managed to annoy me within 10 seconds of opening their mouths. There's something very smug and stage-y about the whole thing that I don't like.

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« Reply #10 on: August 02, 2014, 04:51:19 AM »
ok
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« Reply #11 on: August 02, 2014, 05:15:46 AM »
Don't know where you get the smugness from. They have sat down with the intention of filming their opinions on Sonic, but that's about as set up as it gets. A big part of RLM's appeal is that they're just a couple of dudes that like watching movies (and now playing games!) and making videos about them bashing them or commenting on them in some way.

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« Reply #12 on: August 02, 2014, 06:20:56 AM »
I dunno, man, they were pretty smug.
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« Reply #13 on: August 02, 2014, 06:43:09 AM »
I dunno, maybe I've been watching them for too long.

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« Reply #14 on: August 02, 2014, 06:28:15 PM »
If you guys don't like smug people, I have no idea what you're doing on FES or participating in literally any conversation here. :P
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« Reply #15 on: August 02, 2014, 06:29:23 PM »
If you guys don't like smug people, I have no idea what you're doing on FES or participating in literally any conversation here. :P

Smug people don't have to like other smug people. Maybe we're all smug and we all hate each other.
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« Reply #16 on: August 02, 2014, 06:37:02 PM »
If you guys don't like smug people, I have no idea what you're doing on FES or participating in literally any conversation here. :P

Smug people don't have to like other smug people. Maybe we're all smug and we all hate each other.

Seems like a pretty accurate description of the userbase here.

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« Reply #17 on: August 02, 2014, 06:47:54 PM »
If you guys don't like smug people, I have no idea what you're doing on FES or participating in literally any conversation here. :P

Smug people don't have to like other smug people. Maybe we're all smug and we all hate each other.

Seems like a pretty accurate description of the userbase here.
Yep.

I thought a lot of the fun in Sonic came from playing it multiple times and memorizing the level so that you could react in 8 seconds. It's cool to know that I still have Sonic 2 down pretty well. But I think my favorite Genesis game was Chuck Rock II: Son of Chuck.

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« Reply #18 on: August 02, 2014, 06:58:48 PM »
I'd go as far to say that Sonic 2 & 3 (and possibly Sonic & Knuckles) are the best 2D platformers ever made. Learning the levels and eventually being able to speed through them is extremely satisfying. Throw in powerups, Super Sonic, large (but not confusing) levels with many secret areas and you have a recipie for some amazing 2D Blast Processing gaming. The music in both games is some of the best that generation as well. Sonic 1 isn't as good as the others, in my opinion. It's still a fun platformer. 2 & 3 expanded on 1's formula and made it better in every possible way. Sonic CD, while a pretty good game, is still not as good as Sonic 2 & 3. I found the level design in Sonic CD to be tedious, the levels were too large and the "past/future" gimmick just made things too confusing. Sonic CD is just grating to play in general. I've heard that the Sonic games for Gameboy Advance are really good, and I've played the first one... still didn't find it as engrossing as the originals. I don't even want to get into 3D Sonic games, although I do like Sonic Adventure 2 (mostly for Chao raising). Regardless, anyone who says the Sonic games for the Mega Drive are bad games knows nothing about gaming and should die of a vicious venereal disease.

Two of my favorite tracks from the 16bit era come from Sonic 3 & Knuckles:





Not to mention, Michael Jackson actually worked on some of the music in Sonic 3 (supposedly).


And no, I haven't watched Snupes video. Those guys are indeed annoying. "The whole game is counter intuitive" just means "I suck a video games and video game design".
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« Reply #19 on: August 02, 2014, 07:10:50 PM »
I love the music. Chemical Plant was always my favorite, but Casino Night 2-Player comes close.