[honk]

Yes, Hunter being Joe's son is pretty funny. Also:

Trump pardoned a load of his mates and cronies...

Call them "cronies," if you like, but the "press visible," ones all related to the RUSSIA, RUSsia, Russia, bullshit news cycle. None of those people deserved any sort of conviction to begin with (it was all made for TV).

Setting aside our opinions on that political news cycle, this simply isn't true. Trump pardoned his cronies Steve Bannon, Rod Blagojevich, Elliott Broidy, Dinesh D'Souza, Joe Arpaio, and Charles Kushner for white-collar crimes that had nothing to do with Russia and they deserved to be punished for. And that last one, Kushner, Trump is now trying to make the Ambassador to France.

[Lord Dave]

Oh shit, I just realized something...

What if Joe Biden uses this "blanket time" pardon stuff on Trump?  Like...

"I pardon Donald J. Trump for any crimes he may or may not have done from January 2016 to December 2024."

Republicans are already bouncing around on the time frame for Hunter but how would they reconcile Biden doing it to Trump?

[Action80]

it's his son and not a crony

Now this is funny.

Let's not forget in this case he pardoned Hunter to protect the "big guy."

[Lord Dave]

it's his son and not a crony

Now this is funny.

Let's not forget in this case he pardoned Hunter to protect the "big guy."

How does that work? 

[Pete Svarrior]

I don't see how you'd come to that conclusion, given how, as you pointed out, Trump did this exact same thing many times, while Biden did it just once.

Did he do it just once, Saddam? Did he?

[Dr Van Nostrand]

Biden pardoned around 27 people, Trump pardoned 237.

Trump has talked about pardoning the cop-killing traitors that attacked our capital. He said he would pardon Ross Ulbricht (in prison for life for operating the dark web market, "Silk Road.")

And of course, he's also going to pardon himself for any crimes he chooses to commit.

[Pete Svarrior]

Biden pardoned around 27 people, Trump pardoned 237.

You're about 6500 short for Biden, and Obama pardoned 1927. It's almost as if comparing these funny numbers isn't very helpful.

Ross Ulbricht (in prison for life for operating the dark web market, "Silk Road.")

How much do you know about Ulbricht?

And of course, he's also going to pardon himself for any crimes he chooses to commit.

So, uh, I guess you're joining us in the "pardons are bad" camp?

[Action80]

it's his son and not a crony

Now this is funny.

Let's not forget in this case he pardoned Hunter to protect the "big guy."

How does that work?

Define "big guy," then an explanation would probably be easier, perhaps not even necessary.

[Dr Van Nostrand]

Biden pardoned around 27 people, Trump pardoned 237.

You're about 6500 short for Biden, and Obama pardoned 1927. It's almost as if comparing these funny numbers isn't very helpful.

Those 6500 are people pardoned for weed. You can't keep them in jail when weed is legal. Obama abusing the system doesn't prove anything.

How much do you know about Ulbricht?

He's just one of a dozen dark marketeers serving huge jail sentences that have been busted for selling millions of dollars of guns and drugs. The only thing that makes him special is that Trump mentioned him specifically while he was romancing the Libertarians and crypto bros. Why not Daniel Kaye or Rui-Siang Lin.

So, uh, I guess you're joining us in the "pardons are bad" camp?

I think 'pardons' and 'Presidential pardons' are two separate things. I've seen more Presidential pardons that piss me off than I support so 'yes' I think Presidential pardons are bad.
Pardoning oneself is absolute bullshit.

[Pete Svarrior]

Those 6500 are people pardoned for weed. You can't keep them in jail when weed is legal.

Sure you can - imprisoning innocents is one of America's finest pastimes.

Also, if we're gonna pick pardons you do and don't like, then you have a lot of picking and choosing to do. Please provide a complete list of which pardons from the last 4 presidents you do and don't like.

Obama abusing the system doesn't prove anything.

OH MY GOD YOU'RE SO CLOSE TO GETTING IT. C'MON, VAN NOSTRAND, ONE MORE PUSH!!!

He's just one of a dozen dark marketeers

Right. I recommend you familiarise yourself with his story if you're gonna bring it up. Will save you a couple of Certified Doctor Moments™.

Why not Daniel Kaye or Rui-Siang Lin.

Why, indeed? Let me know once you've done your homework.

I think 'pardons' and 'Presidential pardons' are two separate things.

Okay. Since you're introducing a non-standard distinction to the concept of a federal pardon, please provide your definitions. Which type of non-presidential pardons is your favourite?

[Lord Dave]

it's his son and not a crony

Now this is funny.

Let's not forget in this case he pardoned Hunter to protect the "big guy."

How does that work?

Define "big guy," then an explanation would probably be easier, perhaps not even necessary.

I assume you meant Joe Biden.
But again, how would that work?  How does pardoning Hunter make Joe suddenly immune? 

[Dr Van Nostrand]

Those 6500 are people pardoned for weed. You can't keep them in jail when weed is legal.

Sure you can - imprisoning innocents is one of America's finest pastimes.

Also, if we're gonna pick pardons you do and don't like, then you have a lot of picking and choosing to do. Please provide a complete list of which pardons from the last 4 presidents you do and don't like.

Yeah, the American government is the asshole of the world for people per capitia incarcerated but doesn't mean I need to like it and shouldn't work to shut it down. It shouldn't take a Presidential pardon to free thousands of innocent people in jail.

I don't need to look at past pardons. I've issued a new proclamation. Presidential pardons have continued to suck more and more over the last two decades. I hereby permanently ban them all.

Obama abusing the system doesn't prove anything.

OH MY GOD YOU'RE SO CLOSE TO GETTING IT. C'MON, VAN NOSTRAND, ONE MORE PUSH!!!

Abusing exec powers is a non-partisan thing. I have plenty to bitch about whoever is President.

He's just one of a dozen dark marketeers

Right. I recommend you familiarise yourself with his story if you're gonna bring it up. Will save you a couple of Certified Doctor Moments™.

I know a lot more about his story than Trump does.

Why not Daniel Kaye or Rui-Siang Lin.

Why, indeed? Let me know once you've done your homework.

They weren't mentioned by Trump for pardon because Trump has no idea who they are.

Trump would totally pardon Hannibal Lecter if he was real. Trump knows all about him.

I think 'pardons' and 'Presidential pardons' are two separate things.

Okay. Since you're introducing a non-standard distinction to the concept of a federal pardon, please provide your definitions. Which type of non-presidential pardons is your favourite?

A Presidential pardon is a federal pardon issued by the President. But we've seen that we can't let American Presidents have the authority to unilaterally pardon anyone they want with no oversight. They get stupid.
Trump threatening to pardon himself has ruined it for all future Presidents. No more fucking Presidential pardons for anyone! Including the White House Thanksgiving Turkeys.

[Pete Svarrior]

Abusing exec powers is a non-partisan thing. I have plenty to bitch about whoever is President.

Now, have a read through the message you're currently arguing against. You took a message that said comparing the numbers is silly, chose to disagree with it, and now you're listing off reason after reason for why comparing the numbers is silly.

I know a lot more about his story than Trump does.

Evidently not. And, before you have another Certified Doctor Moment™, this isn't a comment in support of Trump. It's just an indictment of you knowing precisely nothing.

A Presidential pardon is a federal pardon issued by the President.

Mhm, mhm, and that's as opposed to... what other kind of federal pardon, exactly?

[Action80]

Yes, Hunter being Joe's son is pretty funny. Also:

Trump pardoned a load of his mates and cronies...

Call them "cronies," if you like, but the "press visible," ones all related to the RUSSIA, RUSsia, Russia, bullshit news cycle. None of those people deserved any sort of conviction to begin with (it was all made for TV).

Setting aside our opinions on that political news cycle, this simply isn't true. Trump pardoned his cronies Steve Bannon, Rod Blagojevich, Elliott Broidy, Dinesh D'Souza, Joe Arpaio, and Charles Kushner... for white-collar crimes that had nothing to do with Russia and they deserved to be punished for. And that last one, Kushner, Trump is now trying to make the Ambassador to France.

Holy fuckarooski Saddam...

Kushner did his fucking time, amirite?

Bannon wasn't even fucking tried, so you don't even fucking know whether he deserves to be punished.

Blago received a commutation of sentence, not a pardon. What the fuck is wrong with you?

Broidy plead guilty to taking money in exchange for talking to people. Crackhead STD -ridden bastard decided to stand trial, wasting fucking money, knowing he was fucking guilty all along.

Arpaio - I am not even going to address this fucking one, because even bringing it up as "white collar crime deserving to be punished," is over-the-top asshattedness. You shoulda stuck with the regular level.

Di'Souza - Again, you are just fucking with everyone!

Sheer fucking troll...

Sheer fucking troll who absolutely needs the process of granting CLEMENCY to = PARDON, just so he can continue to maintain his fucking troll...

GTFO

[Action80]

it's his son and not a crony

Now this is funny.

Let's not forget in this case he pardoned Hunter to protect the "big guy."

How does that work?

Define "big guy," then an explanation would probably be easier, perhaps not even necessary.

I assume you meant Joe Biden.
But again, how would that work?  How does pardoning Hunter make Joe suddenly immune?

Have you read the pardon?

[Lord Dave]

it's his son and not a crony

Now this is funny.

Let's not forget in this case he pardoned Hunter to protect the "big guy."

How does that work?

Define "big guy," then an explanation would probably be easier, perhaps not even necessary.

I assume you meant Joe Biden.
But again, how would that work?  How does pardoning Hunter make Joe suddenly immune?

Have you read the pardon?

Yes.  You do know that Pardons don't extend to evidence, right?

[Action80]

The pardon covers any crimes committed by the crackhead while the "big guy," was calling shots in Ukraine...

[Lord Dave]

The pardon covers any crimes committed by the crackhead while the "big guy," was calling shots in Ukraine...

Yes and?
Since when does someone have to be in jail for crimes committed by another person to be investigated?

[Action80]

You can stop the troll now, LD.

[Lord Dave]

You first because so far you fail to justify why it's a problem, simply pointing out that it happened as tho pardoning an accomplis to a crime makes the perpetrator of the crime immune as well by proxy.

But you've also not stated that either because you are trolling and want to remain vague.

Or you're sucking Trump's cock.