[Dr David Thork]

Hold fire mods ...

First I want to set the mood. Click the video below and get it running. You are in Dr David Thork's private library and I'm conducting some studies.


^Go on, click it. Immerse yourself in the goodness of the thread to come.

Excellent. So, I'm studying how if a mainstream lie is told often enough ... it becomes a fact. Let's take gravity as a fact. Round earthers revel in being able to produce multiple sources for some thing like gravity. An appeal to popularity. And even if my senses tell me that you are wrong, you won't accept it and will slam citations on me here, here and here.

Thork, I thought you said this thread was about Jack Russells?

I did. Settle down, we are coming to the Jack Russells.

Now my premise is that once a lie is told, it is repeated over and over and over on the internet. No one checks. No one corrects it. An absolute lie can become cast iron fact. Consider ... the fastest dogs in the world.

1) Greyhound (No surprises there).
2) Saluki (Yeah, I've no idea what that is either but seeing a picture of one shakes my confidence).
3) Afghan hound (They have long legs I guess but all that hair ... I'm calling bullshit).
4) Vizsla
5) Ibizan Hound
6) Jack Russell Terrier (that's torn it! There is no way that a shitty little dog like this is the 6th fastest dog on earth. We haven't had lurchers or whippets yet! Actual racing dogs!).
7) Dalmatian
8) Borzoi
9) Whippet
10) Pharaoh Hound

source

So this


is faster than


Its a typo Thork, why are you getting bent out of shape over a single website?

... because its not a single website. Some gas-lighting owner of a Jack Russell puppy farm has propagated the lie that Jack Russell's are racing dogs capable of 38mph!

https://iheartdogs.com/the-top-10-fastest-dog-breeds/
https://www.cheatsheet.com/culture/these-are-the-fastest-dog-breeds-in-the-world.html/
https://wagwalking.com/breed/top-fastest-dog-breeds-in-the-world
https://waggingmongrel.com/the-15-fastest-dog-breeds/
https://thetarpan.com/fastest-dog-breeds/
https://www.thesprucepets.com/fastest-dog-breeds-4842243
https://spoiledhounds.com/fastest-dog-breeds/
https://www.petside.com/fastest-dog-breeds/

Over and over and over again ... this lie that Jack Russell's can outrun a whippet. That they can do 38mph!

Based on round earther logic ... Jack Russell's are one of the fastest dogs on earth. I owned one once. They have little legs and bigger dogs zoom past them at the park.

Despite all my senses telling me a Jack Russell is a shitty little dog, almost every poll has them between 5th and 7th for fastest dog. Feel free to have a google yourself.

So Thork's Jack Russell Challenge. Because this is earth shape agnostic, do some sleuthing and find out where this ridiculous lie about Jack Russell's being one of the fastest dogs on earth comes from. Its obviously nonsense. And then how did it end up all over the internet as a cast iron fact ... Jack Russells ... faster than whippets ... capable of 38 mph.

The winner ... the person who finds the original source for this bizarre and ridiculous piece of science will win my loyalty for 2 weeks. No matter which thread you are in, no matter what you are arguing ... I will agree with you and take your side in the debate.

Now get out of my library! 

[Iceman]

Those are high stakes! All I know is that my dumb black lab wouldn't make the fast dogs list. ...except in the water.

If a lie is repeated enough it definitely starts to get viewed as truth. Good examples are famous movie/TV quotes that are actually misquotes...

I'll get out of your book room now.

[Rama Set]

This is a trap of the most Akbarian proportion.  Conflating silly dog blogs with scientific study is silly and saying that producing scientific study on a topic is an Ad Populum fallacy is even sillier.

[Tim Alphabeaver]

I've tried to find a decent video of a Jack Russell running at full speed, with little success... there's a few videos of Jack Russells running with Whippets, but nothing remotely conclusive. I even found one video that claimed that Jack Russels can run at 45mph!

edit: well maybe a bit boring, but this is the earliest article I could find (2009) that makes the claim: https://www.thedailytail.com/fastest-dog-breeds/
No source, so maybe the trail runs cold here...

[AATW]

Found this. They’re surprisingly nippy

[Dr David Thork]

I have a video of an Afghan hound (3rd) vs a whippet (7th).

When you see them line up, imagine the speed difference you think there will be and then watch the race.

[Longtitube]

No contest! Lovely dogs, whippets, and very soft natured. Thanks for sharing.

[honk]

I have a video of an Afghan hound (3rd) vs a whippet (7th).

When you see them line up, imagine the speed difference you think there will be and then watch the race.

The source you linked in the OP just lists the top speeds of each breed. It's not a guarantee that every dog of that breed can or will reach that speed. In this case, it's entirely possible that the whippet was simply younger, in better shape, or better trained than the Afghan.

[Dr David Thork]

Whippets, Salukis and greyhounds are in a league of their own. They don't run like other dogs. They use a gait called double suspension gallop, used by other animals such as the Cheetah.

This is the fastest gait and it is classified as asymmetrical. It’s a four-time gait with suspension where all the legs are lifted off the ground. There are two types of gallop: the single suspension gallop and the double suspension gallop.

The single suspension gallop in dogs is a four-time gait. It’s an asymmetrical sequence where the dog achieves suspension. The single suspension gallop is used by all dogs.

The double suspension gait is a four-time, asymmetrical gait seen only in sight hound breeds such as the greyhound and whippet. This is the only gait where the dog achieves full extension with the front legs extended forward and the rear legs are extended rearward, the back flexes and arches with the rear feet extending in front of the front feet and the front feet extending behind the rear feet. In other words the rear feet overtake the front, meaning the dog is air born twice in each cycle. Despite the speed, this gait doesn’t offer much endurance. It is this gait that makes greyhounds and whippets so fast!

Those dogs vs any other dog is a no contest.


Which is why the claim Jack Russell's are faster is so laughable. The only way a Jack Russell is doing 35 mph, is in the mouth of a greyhound.

[Regicide]

So it looks like this: https://www.thedailytail.com/fastest-dog-breeds/ is the first page on the internet to mention the words 38 mph and Jack Russel in conjunction. I searched around a bit, but I can conclusively say that this is the origin of this myth: at least on the internet.

Tim Alphabeaver beat me to it, but I have verified this site as the one which originated this.

Of course, It's likely that this was actually originated on some now vanished blogspot, but without a suitable api for looking back, I can establish this as the oldest site findable.

[SteelyBob]

And even if my senses tell me that you are wrong, you won't accept it

What are you sensing that is incompatible with conventional scientific theories relating to gravity?