[J-Man]

Abort, abort, abort,    missile isn't going sideways but straight up.

[AATW]

So...you think that hit the dome?
And it just bounced off and then only exploded when it hit the ground?
Is that what you are going with?

[Iceman]

"That, I don't think was good."

Expert analysis!

[DuncanDoenitz]

Why the photo of Musk?  Are you implying that it bounced off his orbiting Tesla? 

[Tumeni]

Why the photo of Musk?  Are you implying that it bounced off his orbiting Tesla?

It's not his video. The photo is the avatar for the person who uploaded it to YouTube.

[Tumeni]

... and, for what it's worth, a climbing rocket, which is also moving away from the observer, whether viewed on a flat or globe earth, will ALWAYS look as though it is descending toward the ground at some point in its upward trajectory. Geometry called, and it said so.

In the case of launches Eastward from Cape Canaveral, where the rocket always moves out to sea, away from land-based observers, this is always the viewpoint.

It's unclear what the viewpoint on this Astra one was.

[J-Man]

... and, for what it's worth, a climbing rocket, which is also moving away from the observer, whether viewed on a flat or globe earth, will ALWAYS look as though it is descending toward the ground at some point in its upward trajectory. Geometry called, and it said so.

In the case of launches Eastward from Cape Canaveral, where the rocket always moves out to sea, away from land-based observers, this is always the viewpoint.

It's unclear what the viewpoint on this Astra one was.

Tumeni give us hocus pocus speak. To get a permit for rockets you must not encroach on the dome, ie tilt it baby and go sideways. Here's a prime recent example of a Mars rocket. lmao @ 2:40 seconds into launch, it's trajectory is already only 42 miles high but get this 81 miles sideways or downrange from launch. At 3:00 minutes into launch, it's now only 63 miles high but a whooping 137 miles sideways. Think about the trajectory to achieve that ?  SIDEWAYS ... This is like shooting a bullet at a 45 degree angle for max distance. Now cut away to cartoon land on separation. I love NASA, so silly fooling the lemmings.  Kerplunk  in da ocean !!!

Astra was heading straight up by mistake obviously and aborted, we see the rocket crash almost where it took off. Big NO NO......

[J-Man]

Here's a great video of rockets hitting the dome !!!   You ain't leaving boys and girls, deal with it.

[JSS]

... and, for what it's worth, a climbing rocket, which is also moving away from the observer, whether viewed on a flat or globe earth, will ALWAYS look as though it is descending toward the ground at some point in its upward trajectory. Geometry called, and it said so.

In the case of launches Eastward from Cape Canaveral, where the rocket always moves out to sea, away from land-based observers, this is always the viewpoint.

It's unclear what the viewpoint on this Astra one was.

Tumeni give us hocus pocus speak. To get a permit for rockets you must not encroach on the dome, ie tilt it baby and go sideways. Here's a prime recent example of a Mars rocket. lmao @ 2:40 seconds into launch, it's trajectory is already only 42 miles high but get this 81 miles sideways or downrange from launch. At 3:00 minutes into launch, it's now only 63 miles high but a whooping 137 miles sideways. Think about the trajectory to achieve that ?  SIDEWAYS ... This is like shooting a bullet at a 45 degree angle for max distance. Now cut away to cartoon land on separation. I love NASA, so silly fooling the lemmings.  Kerplunk  in da ocean !!!

That's simply how orbital mechanics work.

Getting a rocket high enough is only half the equation, it has to be moving fast enough to get into a stable orbit. Most of the fuel is spent getting the rocket moving sideways fast enough for a stable rocket. If it simply went straight up, as soon as the engine shut off it would fall right back down.

Any rocket that wants to achieve orbit is going to be spending most of it's time going sideways from our perspective.

As for a bullet, shooting it at about 30 degrees is going to get you maximum distance, so you're not too far off.  It would be 45 if there was no air resistance.

[TomInAustin]

... and, for what it's worth, a climbing rocket, which is also moving away from the observer, whether viewed on a flat or globe earth, will ALWAYS look as though it is descending toward the ground at some point in its upward trajectory. Geometry called, and it said so.

In the case of launches Eastward from Cape Canaveral, where the rocket always moves out to sea, away from land-based observers, this is always the viewpoint.

It's unclear what the viewpoint on this Astra one was.

Tumeni give us hocus pocus speak. To get a permit for rockets you must not encroach on the dome, ie tilt it baby and go sideways. Here's a prime recent example of a Mars rocket. lmao @ 2:40 seconds into launch, it's trajectory is already only 42 miles high but get this 81 miles sideways or downrange from launch. At 3:00 minutes into launch, it's now only 63 miles high but a whooping 137 miles sideways. Think about the trajectory to achieve that ?  SIDEWAYS ... This is like shooting a bullet at a 45 degree angle for max distance. Now cut away to cartoon land on separation. I love NASA, so silly fooling the lemmings.  Kerplunk  in da ocean !!!

That's simply how orbital mechanics work.

Getting a rocket high enough is only half the equation, it has to be moving fast enough to get into a stable orbit. Most of the fuel is spent getting the rocket moving sideways fast enough for a stable rocket. If it simply went straight up, as soon as the engine shut off it would fall right back down.

Any rocket that wants to achieve orbit is going to be spending most of it's time going sideways from our perspective.

As for a bullet, shooting it at about 30 degrees is going to get you maximum distance, so you're not too far off.  It would be 45 if there was no air resistance.

You beat me to it.   

Rockets go near verticle long enough to get high enough to be in thin air for much less drag before they pitch over for horizontal speed. 

There is a great documentary on Netflix about the Saturn 5 (or is it Amazon?).    When Kennedy made his man on the moon speech NASA had no frickin idea how to make it happen, they literally had to invent every single process.   Buzz Aldrin did his doctorial work at MIT on orbital maneuvers.  No wonder he punches people.

It's sad that one of the greatest achievements of mankind is cast-off so easily by conspiracy fools.

[DuncanDoenitz]

J-Man:  "Tumeni give us hocus pocus speak. To get a permit for rockets you must not encroach on the dome, ....."   

Can you apply for this permit on-line, or do you have to go to the Space Police office? 

[J-Man]

... and, for what it's worth, a climbing rocket, which is also moving away from the observer, whether viewed on a flat or globe earth, will ALWAYS look as though it is descending toward the ground at some point in its upward trajectory. Geometry called, and it said so.

In the case of launches Eastward from Cape Canaveral, where the rocket always moves out to sea, away from land-based observers, this is always the viewpoint.

It's unclear what the viewpoint on this Astra one was.

Tumeni give us hocus pocus speak. To get a permit for rockets you must not encroach on the dome, ie tilt it baby and go sideways. Here's a prime recent example of a Mars rocket. lmao @ 2:40 seconds into launch, it's trajectory is already only 42 miles high but get this 81 miles sideways or downrange from launch. At 3:00 minutes into launch, it's now only 63 miles high but a whooping 137 miles sideways. Think about the trajectory to achieve that ?  SIDEWAYS ... This is like shooting a bullet at a 45 degree angle for max distance. Now cut away to cartoon land on separation. I love NASA, so silly fooling the lemmings.  Kerplunk  in da ocean !!!

That's simply how orbital mechanics work.

Getting a rocket high enough is only half the equation, it has to be moving fast enough to get into a stable orbit. Most of the fuel is spent getting the rocket moving sideways fast enough for a stable rocket. If it simply went straight up, as soon as the engine shut off it would fall right back down.

Any rocket that wants to achieve orbit is going to be spending most of it's time going sideways from our perspective.

As for a bullet, shooting it at about 30 degrees is going to get you maximum distance, so you're not too far off.  It would be 45 if there was no air resistance.

Pure hockey puck, the sooner you reach thinner air, the faster one can go on less fuel. Plenty of time to tip sideways but we must do the big fake out and get out of vision for the kerplunk in da ocean.  Good try !!!

[Tumeni]

Here's a prime recent example of a Mars rocket.

It wasn't a "Mars rocket", just a regular satellite launch.

"Think about the trajectory to achieve that ?"

What, specifically, do you see as the problem? Draw it out on graph paper, distance and altitude vs time, and show us what you think is wrong

[AATW]

Pure hockey puck, the sooner you reach thinner air, the faster one can go on less fuel. Plenty of time to tip sideways but we must do the big fake out and get out of vision for the kerplunk in da ocean.  Good try !!!

Can you show us some video or witness testimony of a space shuttle going "kerplunk in da ocean"? Where did the shuttles go for the days when they were "in space"?
Surely there's be some witness or whistle blower who saw them?

Your video above - the first 2 are really hard to make out. The 3rd one was a despinner, there's even a caption in the video that says that. So where did it hit the dome? Any why would hitting a dome cause it to stop spinning rather than blow up? Really confused about what you think happened in that one. I didn't watch further yet.

[Tumeni]

So ... is the "dome" below the clouds?

For in other video, it doesn't look as though the vehicle reaches the cloud base....

[DuncanDoenitz]

Am I missing something here? 

"Oh-oh failure" occurs 30 seconds after launch, impact at 60 seconds; 30 seconds to descend. 

The vehicle tumbles to earth, lets give you the benefit and say no aerodynamic drag, accelerating at 9.81 m/s/s (gravity, or UA, as you will).  Lets give you some more benefit and say "oh-oh failure" occured at 20 seconds (speed of sound to hear the impact) gives us 40 seconds of descent, at 9.81 m/s/s. 

Using a standard acceleration formula with this time and acceleration gives us a dome-impact altitude of less than 26,000 feet. 

How does this fit with typical airliner altitudes of 30,000 to 40,000 feet? 

Is that why airliners go mainly "sideways" and less "up"? 

Do airliners also need a permit from the Space Police? 

[JSS]

... and, for what it's worth, a climbing rocket, which is also moving away from the observer, whether viewed on a flat or globe earth, will ALWAYS look as though it is descending toward the ground at some point in its upward trajectory. Geometry called, and it said so.

In the case of launches Eastward from Cape Canaveral, where the rocket always moves out to sea, away from land-based observers, this is always the viewpoint.

It's unclear what the viewpoint on this Astra one was.

Tumeni give us hocus pocus speak. To get a permit for rockets you must not encroach on the dome, ie tilt it baby and go sideways. Here's a prime recent example of a Mars rocket. lmao @ 2:40 seconds into launch, it's trajectory is already only 42 miles high but get this 81 miles sideways or downrange from launch. At 3:00 minutes into launch, it's now only 63 miles high but a whooping 137 miles sideways. Think about the trajectory to achieve that ?  SIDEWAYS ... This is like shooting a bullet at a 45 degree angle for max distance. Now cut away to cartoon land on separation. I love NASA, so silly fooling the lemmings.  Kerplunk  in da ocean !!!

That's simply how orbital mechanics work.

Getting a rocket high enough is only half the equation, it has to be moving fast enough to get into a stable orbit. Most of the fuel is spent getting the rocket moving sideways fast enough for a stable rocket. If it simply went straight up, as soon as the engine shut off it would fall right back down.

Any rocket that wants to achieve orbit is going to be spending most of it's time going sideways from our perspective.

As for a bullet, shooting it at about 30 degrees is going to get you maximum distance, so you're not too far off.  It would be 45 if there was no air resistance.

Pure hockey puck, the sooner you reach thinner air, the faster one can go on less fuel. Plenty of time to tip sideways but we must do the big fake out and get out of vision for the kerplunk in da ocean.  Good try !!!

The reason rockets vanish is simply because on a round Earth you will loose sight of it very quickly as it begins moving sideways to achieve orbit. If it went straight up, it would just fall back down when the rocket shut off.

Nothing conspiratorial about that, it's just how orbits work.



Comparing Sub-Orbital and Orbital Trajectories. Reaching orbit requires both a sufficient altitude and horizontal velocity. Launches that follow a flight path similar to Trajectory A have sufficient horizontal velocity but insufficient altitude. Those that resemble Trajectory B have sufficient altitude but insufficient horizontal velocity. Both Trajectory A and B represent sub-orbital trajectories. A launch that resembles Trajectory C has both sufficient altitude and horizontal velocity and, therefore, reaches orbit.

From https://www.researchgate.net/publication/332211453_Spaceports_of_the_World

[Jay Seneca]

That's simply how orbital mechanics work.

Getting a rocket high enough is only half the equation, it has to be moving fast enough to get into a stable orbit. Most of the fuel is spent getting the rocket moving sideways fast enough for a stable rocket. If it simply went straight up, as soon as the engine shut off it would fall right back down.

Any rocket that wants to achieve orbit is going to be spending most of it's time going sideways from our perspective.

As for a bullet, shooting it at about 30 degrees is going to get you maximum distance, so you're not too far off.  It would be 45 if there was no air resistance.
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So what would be the flight path for getting a Geosynchronous satellite into orbit?

[JSS]

So what would be the flight path for getting a Geosynchronous satellite into orbit?

Same setup as path C in this image.



The view is looking down from the North Pole, so the rocket orbits the Earth in the same direction as it rotates.

What makes a satellite Geosynchronous is that it orbits in the same direction as the Earth and takes exactly 24 hours to make one orbit. That keeps it positioned over the same spot, so from our perspective it doesn't move.

The faster an object moves the further out it's orbit, so you just give a satellite a very specific speed and get the orbital time to be whatever you want.

[Jay Seneca]

So what would be the flight path for getting a Geosynchronous satellite into orbit?

Same setup as path C in this image.



The view is looking down from the North Pole, so the rocket orbits the Earth in the same direction as it rotates.

What makes a satellite Geosynchronous is that it orbits in the same direction as the Earth and takes exactly 24 hours to make one orbit. That keeps it positioned over the same spot, so from our perspective it doesn't move.

The faster an object moves the further out it's orbit, so you just give a satellite a very specific speed and get the orbital time to be whatever you want.

So is the satellite shot straight up in the air. Since the satellite stays at the same location above Earth?