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Re: Joe Biden is winning by a landslide
« Reply #60 on: August 22, 2020, 11:04:28 AM »
It's important Joe Biden is given the best medical care known in the US. For Gods sake he was vice pres. , You ok joe?

He's getting along just fine without posting random stuff on the interwebs. You OK, J-Man?
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Re: Joe Biden is winning by a landslide
« Reply #61 on: August 22, 2020, 11:11:39 PM »
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Re: Joe Biden is winning by a landslide
« Reply #62 on: August 23, 2020, 04:36:16 AM »
Joe Biden grifting his speeches from other politicians again - https://nationalpost.com/news/joe-biden-accused-of-plagiarizing-from-jack-laytons-final-letter-in-nomination-speech

Eh.
Its not a direct quote.  It has a similar tone but thats about it.  Not like its a complex 3 sentences.

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Re: Joe Biden is winning by a landslide
« Reply #63 on: August 23, 2020, 10:53:43 AM »
Joe Biden grifting his speeches from other politicians again

So what? If you think this paints Trump's speaking "skills" in a good light, think again...
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Re: Joe Biden is winning by a landslide
« Reply #64 on: August 27, 2020, 12:47:55 PM »
So what? If you think this paints Trump's speaking "skills" in a good light, think again...
Perhaps we should be able to discuss Joe Biden without regressing to "ok but Trump bad"? Their speaking skills can be looked at independently of one another.
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Re: Joe Biden is winning by a landslide
« Reply #65 on: August 27, 2020, 11:46:34 PM »
Once again, it's clear that the Democrats do not even like their own candidate, they are anti-Trump, not pro-Biden. This was the same way in 2016, when Democrats were anti-Trump, not pro-Clinton. It's the exact same thing that's going to cost them the election. The DNC had four years, four fucking years to find someone better than literally Donald Trump and they picked Joe Biden. It's like something out of a bad political novel.

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« Reply #66 on: August 27, 2020, 11:52:41 PM »
To be fair the GOP doesn’t like Trump either. Your country is fucked.

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« Reply #67 on: August 28, 2020, 12:02:59 AM »
So what? If you think this paints Trump's speaking "skills" in a good light, think again...
Perhaps we should be able to discuss Joe Biden without regressing to "ok but Trump bad"? Their speaking skills can be looked at independently of one another.

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« Reply #68 on: August 28, 2020, 12:08:28 AM »
To be fair the GOP doesn’t like Trump either. Your country is fucked.

The GOP doesn't like Trump but Trump has plenty of people who fanatically support him. That kind of fanatical support existing only on one side is what will likely cause Biden to lose.

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Re: Joe Biden is winning by a landslide
« Reply #69 on: August 28, 2020, 01:20:03 AM »
Joe Biden grifting his speeches from other politicians again

So what? If you think this paints Trump's speaking "skills" in a good light, think again...

I didn't say anything about Trump. You have some issues.
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« Reply #70 on: August 28, 2020, 01:25:39 AM »
Joe Biden grifting his speeches from other politicians again

So what? If you think this paints Trump's speaking "skills" in a good light, think again...

I didn't say anything about Trump. You have some issues.

You’ve said plenty on the topic of their respective speaking skills. Don’t be dishonest, Tom.

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Re: Joe Biden is winning by a landslide
« Reply #71 on: August 28, 2020, 01:38:43 AM »
To be fair the GOP doesn’t like Trump either. Your country is fucked.

The GOP doesn't like Trump but Trump has plenty of people who fanatically support him. That kind of fanatical support existing only on one side is what will likely cause Biden to lose.

Well the fanatics are a minority of the population so he will need something more than that. Not saying it won’t happen but it seems less likely than in 2016.

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Re: Joe Biden is winning by a landslide
« Reply #72 on: August 28, 2020, 01:54:07 AM »
To be fair the GOP doesn’t like Trump either. Your country is fucked.

The GOP doesn't like Trump but Trump has plenty of people who fanatically support him. That kind of fanatical support existing only on one side is what will likely cause Biden to lose.

The thing is that people who are against Trump are kind of fanatical about that, too, and that's only intensified after 4 years in office, so it's a different dynamic from what we've seen in the past.

But still you have a point, and I'm glad you made it. We need people making completely reasonable arguments about the danger we're facing in this election. You can never count Trump out, Republicans tend to turn out in higher numbers as a rule, and fear seems to be the only thing that really mobilizes Democrats, unfortunately. If people start seeing Joe's winning as a foregone conclusion they might just stay at home again. Although I do hope that the overwhelming hatred the majority of the country has for Trump is enough of a factor on its own that enough Democrats are primed to vote to make a difference.
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Go kicking and screaming, lol, it all means the same on January 21st.

Before this is over I'm betting you eat those landslide words :)

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Re: Joe Biden is winning by a landslide
« Reply #73 on: August 29, 2020, 03:18:03 AM »
To be fair the GOP doesn’t like Trump either. Your country is fucked.

The GOP doesn't like Trump but Trump has plenty of people who fanatically support him. That kind of fanatical support existing only on one side is what will likely cause Biden to lose.



Well the fanatics are a minority of the population so he will need something more than that. Not saying it won’t happen but it seems less likely than in 2016.


Before the election in 2016 everyone knew that Trump would lose.  Then he didn't.

I think Rushy has a solid point - no one is excited about Biden. Like, literally no one.  Plenty of folks are still excited about Trump, even if a minority overall.  The elections are always decided by the center. And the center gets slightly pulled to the side that has the most passion overall.  Obama is a fantastic example of this.

I am not particularly a fan of Trump, but I think he has a decent chance.

One thing I read was that after the DNC convention there was a DIP in polls favoring Biden. That basically never happens. Conventions lead to (temporary) bumps in the polls for that side.  But the opposite happened this time for the the DNC.  Could be a symptom or example of the lack of enthusiasm for Biden.  That could be hugely problematic for the DNC...










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Re: Joe Biden is winning by a landslide
« Reply #74 on: August 29, 2020, 09:01:50 PM »
The thing is that people who are against Trump are kind of fanatical about that, too, and that's only intensified after 4 years in office, so it's a different dynamic from what we've seen in the past.

But still you have a point, and I'm glad you made it. We need people making completely reasonable arguments about the danger we're facing in this election. You can never count Trump out, Republicans tend to turn out in higher numbers as a rule, and fear seems to be the only thing that really mobilizes Democrats, unfortunately. If people start seeing Joe's winning as a foregone conclusion they might just stay at home again. Although I do hope that the overwhelming hatred the majority of the country has for Trump is enough of a factor on its own that enough Democrats are primed to vote to make a difference.

Ok, let's unpack this nonsense.

The thing is that people who are against Trump are kind of fanatical about that, too, and that's only intensified after 4 years in office, so it's a different dynamic from what we've seen in the past.
This is a one horse race. Are you for Trump or against Trump? No one cares about Biden.

We need people making completely reasonable arguments about the danger we're facing in this election.
Why are Democrats always so melodramatic? There is no danger. You might not get your first pick of President but its not the end of the world.

You can never count Trump out,
Rule him out? He's going to win. What kind of echo chamber are you living in to think a man with full blown dementia is going to be elected by middle America instead? Also Biden being weak on crime is the final nail. You can't side with rioters and those advocating to defund the police. What an asshat.

If people start seeing Joe's winning as a foregone conclusion
Then they need to stop watching so much CNN.

Although I do hope that the overwhelming hatred the majority of the country has for Trump is enough of a factor on its own that enough Democrats are primed to vote to make a difference.
People won't vote against a President. Apathy will reign supreme. They need someone to vote for and literally no one is excited about Biden.

4 more years.
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« Reply #75 on: August 30, 2020, 01:16:31 AM »
Thork, you obviously don’t pay much attention. Some segments of Fox News has been praising Biden and criticizing Trump lately. This isn’t just a left wing echo chamber.

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« Reply #76 on: August 30, 2020, 02:03:04 PM »
Thork lives in a fantasy world. No incumbent President with a favorability rating under 48% has ever won reelection. Trump's has never gone above 42. Biden is still kicking his ass in the polls. There's simply no logical reason to think Trump has a better shot at winning right now.

It's weird that right-wingers in other countries would be in denial about the state of the election right now, but apparently even they can be delusional about where this is headed.

But I do love him for being there to help sow the seeds of fear. Thanks for the effort, Thork, it can only help.
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Go kicking and screaming, lol, it all means the same on January 21st.

Before this is over I'm betting you eat those landslide words :)

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« Reply #77 on: August 30, 2020, 03:20:38 PM »
Thork lives in a fantasy world. No incumbent President with a favorability rating under 48% has ever won reelection. Trump's has never gone above 42. Biden is still kicking his ass in the polls. There's simply no logical reason to think Trump has a better shot at winning right now.
Biden is only leading by 6 percentage points? Biden is toast.
https://time.com/4546942/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-lead-poll/

1) The US media is almost all left wing.
2) They know that many left-wing Americans are narcissistic babies and will only vote if they think they will win. Seems so many Americans hate losing that they won't vote for a candidate that will likely lose. The left are always told that they will win.
3) Conservative voters are much less likely to tell posters their voting intentions as left wingers tend to get violent.
4) Many young people (who are much more likely to vote left) tend to be very vocal about their voting intentions and then don't bother their arses to vote on the day. Same with the hispanic vote. 

It's weird that right-wingers in other countries would be in denial about the state of the election right now, but apparently even they can be delusional about where this is headed.

But I do love him for being there to help sow the seeds of fear. Thanks for the effort, Thork, it can only help.
Every election in the last 5 years that predicted a left wing vote massively over inflated their chances.

Trump 2016
Brexit
UK Conservative whitewash 2019

You guys won't learn.

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The shy Tory factor is a name given by British opinion polling companies to a phenomenon first observed by psephologists in the early 1990s. They observed that the share of the electoral vote won by the Conservative Party (known colloquially as the "Tories") was significantly higher than the equivalent share in opinion polls.[1] The accepted explanation was that so-called "shy Tories" were voting Conservative after telling pollsters they would not. The general elections held in 1992 and 2015 are examples where it has dramatically affected the overall result, but has also been discussed in other elections where the Conservatives did unexpectedly well. It has also been applied to the success of the Republican Party in the United States.

+6% means you guys will get wrecked in the final reckoning.
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Re: Joe Biden is winning by a landslide
« Reply #78 on: August 30, 2020, 04:06:49 PM »
This insight by the guy who frequently shits on polls as not worthwhile.

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« Reply #79 on: August 30, 2020, 04:14:03 PM »
2018 blue wave.