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Re: Coronavirus Successfully Treated by Vitamin C
« Reply #40 on: March 12, 2020, 07:57:13 AM »
Still waiting on a scientific paper on this.

Also, how can a vitamin cure a viral infection?  Best it does is keep the immune system functional.  So I guess if you're deficient, you'll see a boost.

But please, tell me what process causes the virus to die from contact with a mineral?

The tiny vitamin C crystals attach themselves to the virus and self-destruct, thereby effectively neutralizing the threat the virus poses to the person. Think about it like a minefield. The more vitamin C you take, the more crystal there will be in your body to float around and effectively destroy the virus. This is impossible to verify because microscopes can’t see the tiny crystal mines because they’re too small but you can prove it easily by simply taking the vitamin and watch as the virus is effectively neutralized from the victims blood stream.

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Re: Coronavirus Successfully Treated by Vitamin C
« Reply #41 on: March 14, 2020, 11:22:36 PM »
The body allegedly turns Vitamin C into Hydrogen Peroxide in the body, which is water with an extra oxygen atom.

Coincidentally, direct oxygen therapy also appears to have an effect on the Coronavirus, as stated by the World Health Organization.

https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/situation-reports/20200301-sitrep-41-covid-19.pdf

WHO: "Oxygen therapy is the major treatment intervention for patients with severe COVID-19"

There are also some other sources on that topic. Quick search:

www.upi.com/amp/Top_News/World-News/2020/02/14/Oxygen-therapy-working-for-coronavirus-patient-Seoul-says/6651581696794/

"Feb. 14 (UPI) -- Oxygen therapy has been effective in the treatment of a critically ill patient infected with the new strain of coronavirus in South Korea, local health authorities said Friday.

Jeong Eun-kyeong, director of Korea Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, said one of the remaining 21 COVID-19 patients in the country was still in critical condition this week. The patient's symptoms have been improving after oxygen was administered using a face mask, local news service Newsis reported."
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Re: Coronavirus Successfully Treated by Vitamin C
« Reply #42 on: March 15, 2020, 12:37:22 AM »
The body allegedly turns Vitamin C into Hydrogen Peroxide in the body, which is water with an extra oxygen atom.

Coincidentally, direct oxygen therapy also appears to have an effect on the Coronavirus, as stated by the World Health Organization.

https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/situation-reports/20200301-sitrep-41-covid-19.pdf

WHO: "Oxygen therapy is the major treatment intervention for patients with severe COVID-19"

There are also some other sources on that topic. Quick search:

www.upi.com/amp/Top_News/World-News/2020/02/14/Oxygen-therapy-working-for-coronavirus-patient-Seoul-says/6651581696794/

"Feb. 14 (UPI) -- Oxygen therapy has been effective in the treatment of a critically ill patient infected with the new strain of coronavirus in South Korea, local health authorities said Friday.

Jeong Eun-kyeong, director of Korea Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, said one of the remaining 21 COVID-19 patients in the country was still in critical condition this week. The patient's symptoms have been improving after oxygen was administered using a face mask, local news service Newsis reported."

Where are you getting the information that Vitamin C "cAn TuRn iNtO" Hydrogen Peroxide? I hope you're aware that consuming hydrogen peroxide can cause vomiting and burns.  ::) ::)

https://www.poison.org/articles/2012-jun/hydrogen-peroxide
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Re: Coronavirus Successfully Treated by Vitamin C
« Reply #43 on: March 15, 2020, 06:59:36 AM »
The body allegedly turns Vitamin C into Hydrogen Peroxide in the body, which is water with an extra oxygen atom.

Coincidentally, direct oxygen therapy also appears to have an effect on the Coronavirus, as stated by the World Health Organization.

https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/situation-reports/20200301-sitrep-41-covid-19.pdf

WHO: "Oxygen therapy is the major treatment intervention for patients with severe COVID-19"

There are also some other sources on that topic. Quick search:

www.upi.com/amp/Top_News/World-News/2020/02/14/Oxygen-therapy-working-for-coronavirus-patient-Seoul-says/6651581696794/

"Feb. 14 (UPI) -- Oxygen therapy has been effective in the treatment of a critically ill patient infected with the new strain of coronavirus in South Korea, local health authorities said Friday.

Jeong Eun-kyeong, director of Korea Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, said one of the remaining 21 COVID-19 patients in the country was still in critical condition this week. The patient's symptoms have been improving after oxygen was administered using a face mask, local news service Newsis reported."

Where are you getting the information that Vitamin C "cAn TuRn iNtO" Hydrogen Peroxide? I hope you're aware that consuming hydrogen peroxide can cause vomiting and burns.  ::) ::)

https://www.poison.org/articles/2012-jun/hydrogen-peroxide

Oh it does.  Read the wiki entry on vitamin c.
Its a biproduct of some reactions, used in some various functions like in the liver.  But I don't think it makes it into the blood and its in very small amounts.

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Re: Coronavirus Successfully Treated by Vitamin C
« Reply #44 on: March 15, 2020, 04:40:26 PM »
The body allegedly turns Vitamin C into Hydrogen Peroxide in the body, which is water with an extra oxygen atom.

Coincidentally, direct oxygen therapy also appears to have an effect on the Coronavirus, as stated by the World Health Organization.

https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/situation-reports/20200301-sitrep-41-covid-19.pdf

WHO: "Oxygen therapy is the major treatment intervention for patients with severe COVID-19"

There are also some other sources on that topic. Quick search:

www.upi.com/amp/Top_News/World-News/2020/02/14/Oxygen-therapy-working-for-coronavirus-patient-Seoul-says/6651581696794/

"Feb. 14 (UPI) -- Oxygen therapy has been effective in the treatment of a critically ill patient infected with the new strain of coronavirus in South Korea, local health authorities said Friday.

Jeong Eun-kyeong, director of Korea Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, said one of the remaining 21 COVID-19 patients in the country was still in critical condition this week. The patient's symptoms have been improving after oxygen was administered using a face mask, local news service Newsis reported."

Where are you getting the information that Vitamin C "cAn TuRn iNtO" Hydrogen Peroxide? I hope you're aware that consuming hydrogen peroxide can cause vomiting and burns.  ::) ::)

https://www.poison.org/articles/2012-jun/hydrogen-peroxide

Oh it does.  Read the wiki entry on vitamin c.
Its a biproduct of some reactions, used in some various functions like in the liver.  But I don't think it makes it into the blood and its in very small amounts.







Ok I see. On Wikipedia, it says that "In plants, vitamin C is a substrate for ascorbate peroxidase. This enzyme utilizes ascorbate to neutralize excess hydrogen peroxide (H2O2) by converting it to water (H2O) and oxygen.[5][20]"

Interesting. However, it is not recommended for treating cancer.

" At high tissue concentrations, ascorbic acid is described as acting as a pro-oxidant, generating hydrogen peroxide (H2O2) to kill tumor cells. The same literature claims that ascorbic acid acts as an antioxidant, thereby reducing the adverse effects of chemotherapy and radiation therapy.[41][42] Research continues in this field, but a 2014 review concluded: "Currently, the use of high-dose intravenous vitamin C [as an anticancer agent] cannot be recommended outside of a clinical trial."[44] A 2015 review added: "There is no high-quality evidence to suggest that ascorbate supplementation in cancer patients either enhances the antitumor effects of chemotherapy or reduces its toxicity. Evidence for ascorbate's anti-tumor effects was limited to case reports and observational and uncontrolled studies."[45]"

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Re: Coronavirus Successfully Treated by Vitamin C
« Reply #45 on: March 25, 2020, 11:53:35 AM »
What if your doctor takes the advice from a pre-published clinical trial and just pumps you with Vit. C until you get better?
Well, then you're a bit fucked.
But I'd rather take my chances with a medical professional than "some bloke" who says he's a doctor online.
How are you "a bit fucked," if you get better?
I didn't say (conversion of) thermal energy wasn't involved at all.
A rocket does not create thrust by converting thermal energy.

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Re: Coronavirus Successfully Treated by Vitamin C
« Reply #46 on: March 26, 2020, 09:06:47 PM »
"until you get better" doesn't necessarily mean he will ever get better, they could be pumping vitamin c into his cold dead corpse with high hopes he'll get better.
Tom is wrong most of the time. Hardly big news, don't you think?

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Re: Coronavirus Successfully Treated by Vitamin C
« Reply #47 on: March 27, 2020, 02:19:07 AM »
The body allegedly turns Vitamin C into Hydrogen Peroxide in the body, which is water with an extra oxygen atom.

Coincidentally, direct oxygen therapy also appears to have an effect on ghe Coronavirus, as stated by the World Health Organization.

https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/situation-reports/20200301-sitrep-41-covid-19.pdf

WHO: "Oxygen therapy is the major treatment intervention for patients with severe COVID-19"

There are also some other sources on that topic. Quick search:

www.upi.com/amp/Top_News/World-News/2020/02/14/Oxygen-therapy-working-for-coronavirus-patient-Seoul-says/6651581696794/

"Feb. 14 (UPI) -- Oxygen therapy has been effective in the treatment of a critically ill patient infected with the new strain of coronavirus in South Korea, local health authorities said Friday.

Jeong Eun-kyeong, director of Korea Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, said one of the remaining 21 COVID-19 patients in the country was still in critical condition this week. The patient's symptoms have been improving after oxygen was administered using a face mask, local news service Newsis reported."

Hey Tom, here is a fact-check about Lemons and the Coronavirus

 :)
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/lemons-coronavirus/
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Re: Coronavirus Successfully Treated by Vitamin C
« Reply #49 on: March 27, 2020, 10:09:01 AM »
Hey Tom, here is a fact-check about Lemons and the Coronavirus

 :)
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/lemons-coronavirus/
And this https://www.snopes.com/news/2020/03/09/coronavirus-its-time-to-debunk-claims-that-vitamin-c-could-cure-it/?collection-id=242217
Ah....

SNOPES...

Absolutely everyone's GO TO SOURCE for medical information!

Why should I believe snopes when it comes to any subject?

snopes is actually strawmanning the hell out of this vitamin C thing...
« Last Edit: March 27, 2020, 10:12:36 AM by totallackey »
I didn't say (conversion of) thermal energy wasn't involved at all.
A rocket does not create thrust by converting thermal energy.

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Re: Coronavirus Successfully Treated by Vitamin C
« Reply #50 on: March 27, 2020, 12:30:47 PM »
Hey Tom, here is a fact-check about Lemons and the Coronavirus

 :)
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/lemons-coronavirus/
And this https://www.snopes.com/news/2020/03/09/coronavirus-its-time-to-debunk-claims-that-vitamin-c-could-cure-it/?collection-id=242217
Ah....

SNOPES...

Absolutely everyone's GO TO SOURCE for medical information!

Why should I believe snopes when it comes to any subject?

snopes is actually strawmanning the hell out of this vitamin C thing...



Actually read the article and actually try to rebut it with your own evidence; isn't that the premise of this forum? Snopes is quite reliable as of busting myths and urban legends. It is not a medical website because it is a FACT-CHECKING website, but it does cover over common misconceptions dealing with the coronavirus(Heck it even has its own collection!).

Okay, back to your claim about "straw-manning" the article. Here is an excerpt from the article:

"Vitamin C is important to maintain “redox” balance in the body’s tissues – these are types of reactions in cells that add or remove oxygen, and are essential for many processes such as generating energy in cells. These same reactions, though, can create products harmful to human cells – such as reactive oxygen species, which react with lipids (fat), proteins and nucleic acids. Vitamin C can lessen these harmful reactions. It also helps enzymes build collagen, which is necessary for supporting our body’s tissues.

Although vitamin C doesn’t have miraculous disease-curing properties, some research has also shown it can help the immune system fight off bacteria and viruses. Its role in protecting against viral infections was shown in a recent review which found that immune cells need vitamin C to produce proteins that activate the immune system throughout the body against virus attacks./ These slight effects of vitamin C on the coronavirus that causes the common cold has spurred a new clinical trial looking to cure COVID-19 infections using very high intravenous doses of vitamin C. These trials have just started and no results are yet posted.(paragraphs 5,6,9)"


I cannot show the URL links but it is providing sources from MEDICAL WEBSITES such as the NCBI so it correlated to it. You cannot tell me that this is straw-manning Vitamin C because this isn't a fallacy.
« Last Edit: March 27, 2020, 12:34:44 PM by TrueRoundEarther »
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Re: Coronavirus Successfully Treated by Vitamin C
« Reply #51 on: March 28, 2020, 01:02:14 PM »
Hey Tom, here is a fact-check about Lemons and the Coronavirus

 :)
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/lemons-coronavirus/
And this https://www.snopes.com/news/2020/03/09/coronavirus-its-time-to-debunk-claims-that-vitamin-c-could-cure-it/?collection-id=242217
Ah....

SNOPES...

Absolutely everyone's GO TO SOURCE for medical information!

Why should I believe snopes when it comes to any subject?

snopes is actually strawmanning the hell out of this vitamin C thing...



Actually read the article and actually try to rebut it with your own evidence; isn't that the premise of this forum? Snopes is quite reliable as of busting myths and urban legends. It is not a medical website because it is a FACT-CHECKING website, but it does cover over common misconceptions dealing with the coronavirus(Heck it even has its own collection!).

Okay, back to your claim about "straw-manning" the article. Here is an excerpt from the article:

"Vitamin C is important to maintain “redox” balance in the body’s tissues – these are types of reactions in cells that add or remove oxygen, and are essential for many processes such as generating energy in cells. These same reactions, though, can create products harmful to human cells – such as reactive oxygen species, which react with lipids (fat), proteins and nucleic acids. Vitamin C can lessen these harmful reactions. It also helps enzymes build collagen, which is necessary for supporting our body’s tissues.

Although vitamin C doesn’t have miraculous disease-curing properties, some research has also shown it can help the immune system fight off bacteria and viruses. Its role in protecting against viral infections was shown in a recent review which found that immune cells need vitamin C to produce proteins that activate the immune system throughout the body against virus attacks./ These slight effects of vitamin C on the coronavirus that causes the common cold has spurred a new clinical trial looking to cure COVID-19 infections using very high intravenous doses of vitamin C. These trials have just started and no results are yet posted.(paragraphs 5,6,9)"


I cannot show the URL links but it is providing sources from MEDICAL WEBSITES such as the NCBI so it correlated to it. You cannot tell me that this is straw-manning Vitamin C because this isn't a fallacy.

Uh, yeah...

I can tell you and everyone else here...snopes is doing just that.

First, snopes didn't write one of the articles...it is a reprint...

Within the preface it states: "it does not, however, represent the work of Snopes fact-checkers or editors..."

The same article links to other sources stating that claims of curing coronavirus by taking vitamin C are false...

The whole trouble is the only thing you find when you do a search about this topic you find articles claiming it WON'T!

So, it is a strawman to claim there was anything there about curing coronavirus with vitamin C to begin with.

The words treatment and prevention does not = cure.
« Last Edit: March 30, 2020, 10:40:15 AM by totallackey »
I didn't say (conversion of) thermal energy wasn't involved at all.
A rocket does not create thrust by converting thermal energy.

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Re: Coronavirus Successfully Treated by Vitamin C
« Reply #52 on: March 28, 2020, 09:28:46 PM »
First of all, if this article is a reprint, where is the original(reply to the url link)? Second of all, if you try to find the article to support your belief about curing the coronavirus and it doesn't exist or is false, it is probably fake.
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Re: Coronavirus Successfully Treated by Vitamin C
« Reply #53 on: March 30, 2020, 10:41:02 AM »
First of all, if this article is a reprint, where is the original(reply to the url link)? Second of all, if you try to find the article to support your belief about curing the coronavirus and it doesn't exist or is false, it is probably fake.
You provided the snopes info...ask them where the link is.
I didn't say (conversion of) thermal energy wasn't involved at all.
A rocket does not create thrust by converting thermal energy.

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Re: Coronavirus Successfully Treated by Vitamin C
« Reply #54 on: March 30, 2020, 12:27:15 PM »
First of all, if this article is a reprint, where is the original(reply to the url link)? Second of all, if you try to find the article to support your belief about curing the coronavirus and it doesn't exist or is false, it is probably fake.
You provided the snopes info...ask them where the link is.

YOU'RE the one who said that this article is a reprint and I am asking you that if this article is a reprint (it's most likely not), provide me the link. I did provide Snopes information about the coronavirus and Vitamin C but since your claim was that this article was a reprint, I want to see the link.
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Re: Coronavirus Successfully Treated by Vitamin C
« Reply #55 on: March 30, 2020, 12:40:24 PM »
First of all, if this article is a reprint, where is the original(reply to the url link)? Second of all, if you try to find the article to support your belief about curing the coronavirus and it doesn't exist or is false, it is probably fake.
You provided the snopes info...ask them where the link is.

YOU'RE the one who said that this article is a reprint
No, I am not the one saying it...

snopes is saying it...
and I am asking you that if this article is a reprint (it's most likely not),
Well, you are just flat out wrong...
https://www.snopes.com/news/2020/03/09/coronavirus-its-time-to-debunk-claims-that-vitamin-c-could-cure-it/?collection-id=242217
"This article by Peter McCaffery is republished here with permission from The Conversation."
 
provide me the link.
Get with snopes.
I did provide Snopes information about the coronavirus and Vitamin C but since your claim was that this article was a reprint, I want to see the link.
I think we have found a winner in the sweepstakes in the category of providing misleading and false information regarding coronavirus.

You should be ashamed of yourself.
Second of all, if you try to find the article to support your belief about curing the coronavirus and it doesn't exist or is false, it is probably fake.
I forgot to address this when I first replied, so allow me now...

Why would you promote the idea of a curefor any viral infection?
« Last Edit: March 30, 2020, 12:43:45 PM by totallackey »
I didn't say (conversion of) thermal energy wasn't involved at all.
A rocket does not create thrust by converting thermal energy.

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Re: Coronavirus Successfully Treated by Vitamin C
« Reply #56 on: March 30, 2020, 12:47:08 PM »
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First, snopes didn't write one of the articles...it is a reprint...

Within the preface it states: "it does not, however, represent the work of Snopes fact-checkers or editors..."

The same article links to other sources stating that claims of curing coronavirus by taking vitamin C are false...

The whole trouble is the only thing you find when you do a search about this topic you find articles claiming it WON'T!

So, it is a strawman to claim there was anything there about curing coronavirus with vitamin C to begin with.

The words treatment and prevention does not = cure.

These are your words. Why are you asking me to contact Snopes when you claimed that the article was a reprint. Plus, I'm not spreading misinformation about Vitamin C and the Coronavirus; in fact, there are other articles that report this and this article provides sources and evidence why Vitamin C does not prevent or treat the Coronavirus. I'll be glad to show you articles that are not from a meth head who made conspiracy theories in less than 5 seconds

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« Reply #57 on: March 30, 2020, 12:48:58 PM »

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Why would you promote the idea of a curefor any viral infection?

Because isn't that the TOPIC of this forum?  ;) ::)
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« Reply #58 on: March 30, 2020, 12:51:38 PM »
Just in case you didn't know this is the title: Coronavirus Successfully Treated by Vitamin C

As much I don't like to call mean things to people, if you cannot comprehend what has been explained to you that has been obvious, you are analytically illiterate.
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Re: Coronavirus Successfully Treated by Vitamin C
« Reply #59 on: March 30, 2020, 03:04:08 PM »
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First, snopes didn't write one of the articles...it is a reprint...

Within the preface it states: "it does not, however, represent the work of Snopes fact-checkers or editors..."

The same article links to other sources stating that claims of curing coronavirus by taking vitamin C are false...

The whole trouble is the only thing you find when you do a search about this topic you find articles claiming it WON'T!

So, it is a strawman to claim there was anything there about curing coronavirus with vitamin C to begin with.

The words treatment and prevention does not = cure.

These are your words. Why are you asking me to contact Snopes when you claimed that the article was a reprint. Plus, I'm not spreading misinformation about Vitamin C and the Coronavirus; in fact, there are other articles that report this and this article provides sources and evidence why Vitamin C does not prevent or treat the Coronavirus. I'll be glad to show you articles that are not from a meth head who made conspiracy theories in less than 5 seconds
I didn't claim the article was a reprint.

snopes did.

Exercise your analytical skills on the following sentence:

snopes claimed the article they presented was a reprint.

okay?
I didn't say (conversion of) thermal energy wasn't involved at all.
A rocket does not create thrust by converting thermal energy.