Are plane tickets real?
« on: February 11, 2020, 03:00:24 AM »
How come I can purchase a nonstop plane ticket from Sydney to Santiago in Chile? On the most common flat map, you'd have to cross or laterally pass EVERY single continent. Our jets A) wouldn't have enough fuel for that, B) can't travel fast enough to get there in 13 hours and 15 minutes, and C) We don't ever hear about people seeing land part of the way. I guess you could fly around the land, but that complicates the first two contingencies.

Re: Are plane tickets real?
« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2020, 01:06:09 PM »
How come I can purchase a nonstop plane ticket from Sydney to Santiago in Chile? On the most common flat map, you'd have to cross or laterally pass EVERY single continent. Our jets A) wouldn't have enough fuel for that, B) can't travel fast enough to get there in 13 hours and 15 minutes, and C) We don't ever hear about people seeing land part of the way. I guess you could fly around the land, but that complicates the first two contingencies.
This has been addressed numerous times.

These airlines offer such flights for purchase.

The thing is, if you buy such a ticket, it is:

A) a NON-REFUNDABLE PURCHASE; and,
B) You end up typically moved to a different flight with a stop over (one that conveniently matches the Azimuthal Equidistant Map).

For those rare non-stop flights that do occur, it would not be surprising to find that aerial refueling is taking place, something of which the passengers would be totally unaware.
I didn't say (conversion of) thermal energy wasn't involved at all.
A rocket does not create thrust by converting thermal energy.

Re: Are plane tickets real?
« Reply #2 on: February 11, 2020, 02:40:39 PM »
lackey, why do you keep posting stuff without providing any evidence?
What evidence do you have that people who book these flights are "typically" moved to a flight with a stop over or that any mid-air refueling is taking place?

The non-stop flight from Chile to Melbourne was launched in 2017

https://www.latam.com/en_uk/press-room/releases/LATAM_Airlines_to_launch_its_longest_non-stop_flight_ever_between_Santiago_and_Melbourne/
If you are making your claim without evidence then we can discard it without evidence.

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Re: Are plane tickets real?
« Reply #3 on: February 11, 2020, 02:46:50 PM »
For those rare non-stop flights that do occur, it would not be surprising to find that aerial refueling is taking place, something of which the passengers would be totally unaware.

How would you manage this without passengers being aware of it? How do you get a refueling tanker within appropriate distance without passengers seeing, feeling or hearing it?
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Re: Are plane tickets real?
« Reply #4 on: February 11, 2020, 04:17:22 PM »
lackey, why do you keep posting stuff without providing any evidence?
I'm not.
What evidence do you have that people who book these flights are "typically" moved to a flight with a stop over
The lack of these actual non-stop flights taking place and yet, the people end up where they want to end up strongly suggests they are getting there some how.
... or that any mid-air refueling is taking place?
I specifically wrote, "...it would not be surprising to find that mid-air refueling is taking place."

That statement makes no immediate claims, but instead indicates more research is required.
The non-stop flight from Chile to Melbourne was launched in 2017

https://www.latam.com/en_uk/press-room/releases/LATAM_Airlines_to_launch_its_longest_non-stop_flight_ever_between_Santiago_and_Melbourne/
Okay.
« Last Edit: February 11, 2020, 04:42:18 PM by totallackey »
I didn't say (conversion of) thermal energy wasn't involved at all.
A rocket does not create thrust by converting thermal energy.

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Re: Are plane tickets real?
« Reply #5 on: February 11, 2020, 04:36:18 PM »
"The lack of these actual non-stop-stop flights taking place and yet, the people end up where they want to end up strongly suggests they are getting there some how."

What about the ones that actually happen? I mean you're focusing on ones that do stop overs but even if most do, there's still going to be some that do the full trip with no stops. Even if you say it's rare that doesn't suddenly mean it doesn't happen. to use an example I've used before, if there's a small hole on a wall and i throw a handful of marbles at the hole, even if most of them don't go into it and one happens to get in, that doesn't mean the hole is non existent.
Tom is wrong most of the time. Hardly big news, don't you think?

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Re: Are plane tickets real?
« Reply #6 on: February 11, 2020, 04:41:00 PM »
The lack of these actual non-stop-stop flights taking place
Where's your evidence that any of these flights are not happening?

Re: Are plane tickets real?
« Reply #7 on: February 11, 2020, 04:41:56 PM »
"The lack of these actual non-stop-stop flights taking place and yet, the people end up where they want to end up strongly suggests they are getting there some how."

What about the ones that actually happen? I mean you're focusing on ones that do stop overs but even if most do, there's still going to be some that do the full trip with no stops. Even if you say it's rare that doesn't suddenly mean it doesn't happen. to use an example I've used before, if there's a small hole on a wall and i throw a handful of marbles at the hole, even if most of them don't go into it and one happens to get in, that doesn't mean the hole is non existent.
I haven't denied some of these flights have happened.

I am simply stating there are possibilities available for these flights to have taken place, such as midair refueling.
I didn't say (conversion of) thermal energy wasn't involved at all.
A rocket does not create thrust by converting thermal energy.

Re: Are plane tickets real?
« Reply #8 on: February 11, 2020, 04:42:56 PM »
The lack of these actual non-stop-stop flights taking place
Where's your evidence that any of these flights are not happening?
Did I write that?

Or, you are claiming none of these non-stop flights are cancelled?
I didn't say (conversion of) thermal energy wasn't involved at all.
A rocket does not create thrust by converting thermal energy.

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Re: Are plane tickets real?
« Reply #9 on: February 11, 2020, 04:44:15 PM »
it would be damn impressive to keep that a secret... Since the commercial pilots would know it was happening, the engineers who make the planes would know it was happening... Ordinary people keeping it all under wraps out of the goodness of their hearts?
Tom is wrong most of the time. Hardly big news, don't you think?

Re: Are plane tickets real?
« Reply #10 on: February 11, 2020, 04:46:03 PM »
it would be damn impressive to keep that a secret... Since the commercial pilots would know it was happening, the engineers who make the planes would know it was happening... Ordinary people keeping it all under wraps out of the goodness of their hearts?
What reason would they have to run and tell?

Do you see pilots running around telling their day-to-day job stories?

Do you see a lot of pilots interviewed about flights?
I didn't say (conversion of) thermal energy wasn't involved at all.
A rocket does not create thrust by converting thermal energy.

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Re: Are plane tickets real?
« Reply #11 on: February 11, 2020, 04:47:41 PM »


This has been addressed numerous times.

And debunked as many times.

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These airlines offer such flights for purchase.

The thing is, if you buy such a ticket, it is:

A) a NON-REFUNDABLE PURCHASE; and,
B) You end up typically moved to a different flight with a stop over (one that conveniently matches the Azimuthal Equidistant Map).


Proof?



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For those rare non-stop flights that do occur, it would not be surprising to find that aerial refueling is taking place, something of which the passengers would be totally unaware.


OMG, aerial refueling in an airliner, this is a new low. 
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Re: Are plane tickets real?
« Reply #12 on: February 11, 2020, 04:49:43 PM »
it would be damn impressive to keep that a secret... Since the commercial pilots would know it was happening, the engineers who make the planes would know it was happening... Ordinary people keeping it all under wraps out of the goodness of their hearts?
What reason would they have to run and tell?

Do you see pilots running around telling their day-to-day job stories?

Do you see a lot of pilots interviewed about flights?
Because it would suggest the flight is going further and that it's being covered up, since the flight plans and routes are shown publicly and in real time on the flight to the passengers.

yes and yes. There's tons of pilots talking about their jobs, why wouldn't they? It's a cool and interesting job.
Tom is wrong most of the time. Hardly big news, don't you think?

Re: Are plane tickets real?
« Reply #13 on: February 11, 2020, 04:54:49 PM »
I haven't denied some of these flights have happened.
I am simply stating there are possibilities available for these flights to have taken place, such as midair refueling.

So, I am simply stating that the flights are flying these routes are covering the distances reported with just the fuel needed onboard (with a safety reserve of course)!  Now who will be able to provide evidence to support our claims?
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
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Re: Are plane tickets real?
« Reply #14 on: February 11, 2020, 05:22:08 PM »
How come I can purchase a nonstop plane ticket from Sydney to Santiago in Chile? On the most common flat map, you'd have to cross or laterally pass EVERY single continent. Our jets A) wouldn't have enough fuel for that, B) can't travel fast enough to get there in 13 hours and 15 minutes, and C) We don't ever hear about people seeing land part of the way. I guess you could fly around the land, but that complicates the first two contingencies.





The predicted travel times/distances/paths of the flat earth model shaped like a circle with the north pole in the center not matching up with real observed travel times and distances has been discussed at great length. These should answer all of your questions.

This has been discussed so many times. I was also VERY curious about it. It was my very first post here: https://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=9213.0 I got all the responses from a flight time superthread. Here's a link:

https://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=6633.0




-Because the angles of a triangle drawn between three flight paths = 180 degrees the earth is flat.
-Because the angles of a triangle drawn between three flight paths = 179.99984 degrees the earth is slightly concave.
https://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=6633.msg121615#msg121615



-Distances between two cities which are far apart is unknown
https://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=6633.msg121996#msg121996


-Flight GPS systems are inaccurate
https://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=6633.msg122030#msg122030
https://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=6633.msg122441#msg122441


-GPS systems are based on a round earth therefore will give measurements/distances which support a round earth.
-Aircraft are using instruments which assume round earth coordinates which will support a round earth.
-There is no flat earth map.
-The difference in flight time is based off of flight speed which has yet to be proven.
-The airplane speed and range is based off round systems therefore will give speeds and ranges which support a round earth
https://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=6633.msg122359#msg122359


-plane speed measurements are unreliable
https://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=6633.msg122364#msg122364

-there are no flat earth flight programs, systems, GPS etc because the flat earth aircraft navigation fund is nonexistent.
https://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=6633.msg122369#msg122369


-Triangulation as a measurement of distance can be inaccurate because the "known" locations used for triangulation are based on a round earth system
https://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=6633.msg122410#msg122410


-there are almost an infinite number of continental configurations (If a flight disproves flat earth continental configuration 23985729387592873 you then need to test continental configuration 23985729387592874).
-Groundspeed measurement instruments use a round earth coordinate system therefore will give results which support a round earth
https://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=6633.msg122411#msg122411


-proof is needed that mile measurements on a highway are accurate
https://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=6633.msg122423#msg122423

-Google maps is based on a round earth coordinate system
https://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=6633.msg122433#msg122433

-any navigation system based on longitude and latitude is a round earth navigation system (which is most likely used in all navigation systems)
https://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=6633.msg122655#msg122655

-any map, navigation, or measurement system which uses Latitude and Longitude in any way is inaccurate
https://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=6633.msg122664#msg122664

-That's not the map of the earth (a variant of there is no map of the earth)
https://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=6633.msg122672#msg122672

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Re: Are plane tickets real?
« Reply #15 on: February 11, 2020, 05:34:53 PM »
WOW  :D

iamcpc, my hat is off to you.

TET
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
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Re: Are plane tickets real?
« Reply #16 on: February 11, 2020, 06:07:10 PM »
WOW  :D

iamcpc, my hat is off to you.

TET

Please refrain from "me too" posts in the upper fora. They don't add anything to the conversation.

Re: Are plane tickets real?
« Reply #17 on: February 11, 2020, 06:13:48 PM »
Many of the links refer to comments by Tom Bishop who is unable to back up his comments with facts or explanations on eg. how GPS works, how to make a map etc.

Re: Are plane tickets real?
« Reply #18 on: February 11, 2020, 11:20:44 PM »
Triangles add up to 180 degrees, always. Maybe you’re thinking some don’t because of curve, but if you bend the legs of a triangle, it’s not a triangle.

A plane ticket would be exorbitantly expensive if planes had to be refueled mid flight. Furthermore, the forces keeping the fueling aircraft up translate to forces pushing the receiving plane down, and this turbulence is not smooth, and you need more power to maintain altitude. You’d notice onboard a very stable and large 747. Look up wake turbulence.

Because some 12+ hour flights in the Southern Hemisphere are nonstop and do make it relatively on time, then your map must account for it, which it currently does not (Any of the maps). If you say “it’s jet streams” then we can talk about it. A globe on the other hand, has no discrepancies and nuances like this one.

If these 747s and a380s, etc. are actually way more capable than we thought and the airline industry knows about it, Do you really think millions of people are really that depraved that they’d keep the lie?

GPS systems do indeed provide calcs based on a round earth Because they orbit the earth.

I read some of the threads and I think y’all take this “prove it” thing too far. For example, I have never actually been to Europe, therefor I don’t know it actually exists. If you showed me pictures of it or products from there, I could say it’s faked by Toms logic. That’s what I’m seeing in some of these threads, which is why I asked “are plane tickets real” because it would seem that Tom (and company?) would say no, these tickets are fake and there’s no proof these flights happen. It’s like, prove that the color red exists... prove we’re not in the matrix...
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Re: Are plane tickets real?
« Reply #19 on: February 12, 2020, 09:44:23 AM »
Triangles add up to 180 degrees, always. Maybe you’re thinking some don’t because of curve, but if you bend the legs of a triangle, it’s not a triangle.

Only if you limit yourself to Euclidean geometry

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-Euclidean_geometry

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The sum of the measures of the angles of any triangle is less than 180° if the geometry is hyperbolic, equal to 180° if the geometry is Euclidean, and greater than 180° if the geometry is elliptic

A triangle is just a polygon with 3 "straight" sides and 3 vertices. A spherical triangle is just a triangle drawn on a spherical surface rather than a flat surface. It's still considered a triangle. You can draw a straight line on a curved surface, think of walking over a hill, you can still walk in a straight line.