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« on: December 16, 2019, 01:32:56 AM »
The UK had a general election. You wouldn't know it because the lefty champagne Socialists on this site probably don't want to talk about.

I'll summarise for those that didn't understand the main talking points.

The British were offered some cold blooded Capitalists who would list their first born on the FTSE100 if they thought they might make a profit OOOOORRRRRR socialism.

So the British had a quick look at Venezuala to see what all this socialism mumbo jumbo is about, decided that they liked eating and that socialism probably wasn't for them. The NHS selling Tory party won by a landslide.

This has had the effect of 'draining the swamp' in the UK. Some of the most hideous politicians have now all lost their seats. And Socialism is for now at least ... dead in the UK.

Now of course the USA has the same opportunity coming up if they have Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren on the 2020 ticket, and I expect the USA to do the same thing and boot the wicked socialists out.

Of course, Twitter has had a meltdown. British media has had a melt down. Students have had a melt down. Celebs have been having melt downs. I'm up to my armpits in salt and have been enjoying it very much. Its been like a nice little early Christmas present. Oh, and Brexit is now going to be a thing.


In this thread I'd like to collect leftist tears. Please can Pete Svarrior and others report for duty. I want to hear how it was Brexit's fault, how it was the fault of antisemitism, how the Russians ate their homework, how the electorate just didn't understand the Labour Manifesto because it was too clever for them, and how under no circumstances whatsoever was it the manifesto to blame. The Manefesto (peace be on it) was perfect, and it must not change for the next election. Even if Corbyn goes, the brain scrubbing must continue.
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« Reply #1 on: December 16, 2019, 01:49:57 AM »
Watching indignant leftists get shut down is incredibly satisfying. Well done UK.
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« Reply #2 on: December 16, 2019, 02:11:58 AM »
1. Shutdown indignant leftists
2. Empower retarded conservatives
3. Profit?
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« Reply #3 on: December 16, 2019, 02:28:43 AM »
1. Shutdown indignant leftists
2. Empower retarded conservatives
3. Profit?

Hilarious. But not as hilarious as this: An individual’s likelihood of being a Democrat decreases with every additional dollar he or she earns.

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« Reply #4 on: December 16, 2019, 02:30:23 AM »
And the best part of all, you're about to get the United State's model of healthcare!!!!

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/dec/08/privatisation-continues-to-threaten-our-nhs

Best healthcare system in the world if you like watching poor people declare bankruptcy every time they visit the emergency room.

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« Reply #5 on: December 16, 2019, 02:42:59 AM »
1. Shutdown indignant leftists
2. Empower retarded conservatives
3. Profit?

Hilarious. But not as hilarious as this: An individual’s likelihood of being a Democrat decreases with every additional dollar he or she earns.



Even more hilarious is that higher intelligence correlates with being a liberal.
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« Reply #6 on: December 16, 2019, 03:07:37 AM »
Even more hilarious is that higher intelligence correlates with being a liberal.

Yes, it is hilarious that that idea would be propagated around the internet, given that almost all real-world evidence contradicts the idea. If you're referring to the study by Satoshi Kanazawa, well, he's an overt racist.
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« Reply #7 on: December 16, 2019, 03:17:24 AM »
Even more hilarious is that higher intelligence correlates with being a liberal.

Yes, it is hilarious that that idea would be propagated around the internet, given that almost all real-word evidence contradicts the idea. If you're referring to the study by Satoshi Kanazawa, well, he's an overt racist.

You sound like a dumb liberal now. What does someone being racist have to do with their ability to conduct a study on political leanings and intelligence?

Regardless, Satoshi’s paper wasn’t even specifically about the correlation, as that had been floating around prior but rather about why.
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« Reply #8 on: December 16, 2019, 03:19:09 AM »
What does someone being racist have to do with their ability to conduct a study on political leanings and intelligence?

Obviously it shows that they are biased to a greater degree than the average, well-adjusted person.
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« Reply #9 on: December 16, 2019, 03:29:00 AM »
What does someone being racist have to do with their ability to conduct a study on political leanings and intelligence?

Obviously it shows that they are biased to a greater degree than the average, well-adjusted person.

Show me where their bias affects their work and I will happily doubt it. But it just seems like you poisoning the well right now.
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« Reply #10 on: December 16, 2019, 04:18:42 AM »
Thork doesn't know what socialism is.

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« Reply #11 on: December 16, 2019, 05:13:53 AM »
haha black people are so stupid
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« Reply #12 on: December 16, 2019, 05:14:50 AM »
Thork doesn't know what socialism is.
He does not.

And when his economy collapses due to a hard Brexit and his old body costs several hundred thousand pounds to keep alive, he'll be crying for Labour to come back.

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« Reply #13 on: December 16, 2019, 05:16:28 AM »
ITT: Triggered leftists
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« Reply #14 on: December 16, 2019, 05:44:11 AM »
Even more hilarious is that higher intelligence correlates with being a liberal.

I would like to see some sources for this. I would also like to know if by "liberal" you actually mean "liberal" or if you're erroneously referring to leftist ideologies as liberal.

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« Reply #15 on: December 16, 2019, 08:03:32 AM »
>leftists
>me

But I'm a complete neoliberal shill, the kind that "will get the bullet too". I'd happily vote Tory before they got trolled by Brexit, but that's not a left-right issue. (If anything, the left is more opposed to the EU than the current Brexit crowd, they're just kind of not allowed to talk about it loudly because Labour).

Labour's manifesto was a complete shambles, and since they purged the slightly more centrist section of their party, they didn't have anyone with the brains to justify their proposals to non-sycophants. They shouted a lot about things like "free FTTH for all!1!!!", and that kind of crap just doesn't sell to working-class people.

They don't need 1Gbps Internet, they just need reasonably reliable Internet, and they'll happily pay for it if they need it and the price is not exorbant.

And rich people who might want 1Gbps Internet will... oh, they'll pay for it too.

This pattern repeats for most of their loudest policies. It's really not surprising that they got obliterated, as they rightly should have. Does that mean I'm happy about BoJo's Tories in power? No. And I don't think you are either, given our previous conversation on Brexit. Or is the satisfaction of gloating about Labour more important to you than the dissatisfaction of Brexit being effectively castrated?
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« Reply #16 on: December 16, 2019, 10:59:55 AM »
Thork doesn't know what socialism is.
In the words of Lenin ... the goal of socialism is communism.

Its about a bourgeois pointing at other people's wealth and confiscating it. Everywhere real socialism goes, the people starve and the politicians are the richest people in the country.

Venezuela is interesting. The richest person in the country is Hugo Chavez' daughter and she is worth $2bn.
It is interesting for 2 reasons.
1) How does a public servant amass $2bn?
2) How is the richest person in the country only worth a paltry $2bn in a nation that has more oil than Saudi Arabia?

That's socialism.

You think socialism is funny?


You think socialism is compassionate?


You think 'nice people' vote left?


Once the socialist gets elected, that's the last election you ever have. They never step down. They are better than you. They deserve your wealth. They will take it. You vote socialism in, but you have to shoot your way out. Do not be lured by the promise of free things for all. The socialist will bury you.

This pattern repeats for most of their loudest policies. It's really not surprising that they got obliterated, as they rightly should have. Does that mean I'm happy about BoJo's Tories in power? No. And I don't think you are either, given our previous conversation on Brexit. Or is the satisfaction of gloating about Labour more important to you than the dissatisfaction of Brexit being effectively castrated?
Honestly, I felt like we've been flirting with enslavement for too long. Destroying the left is far more important than Brexit.
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« Reply #17 on: December 16, 2019, 11:26:41 AM »
I was happy to support Labour in the election (and note with some small amount of pleasure that my constituency remains red) because I believe that a vote on a "deal", something at least close to concrete, is far more valuable than a vote on a vague declaration of intent. And no, a general election was not the proper forum to determine whether or not the patchily reheated withdrawal agreement was a good way forward for the union. In all truth, Labour should have maybe not helped but at least allowed the Tories to get on with their shitshow leave policy, bided their time and then (2021 perhaps) brought forward the confidence motion to trigger an election. But I suspect we are now locked in to at least a decade of Tory rule, and without a strong opposition at that.

I kind of felt bad for Corbyn personally because he was trying to acquiesce on the point of being more "electable" by agreeing to put at least a couple of fingers into the teflonising machine, yet his backbencher instincts compelled him to stick up for his beliefs, kind of the opposite of Tim Farron's gay marriage gaffe. So you ended up with someone who was honest about his most controversial views, yet was fidgeting in his seat over a question about the Queen's speech, which most people in this country don't watch or care about in any sense. He would die on hills that would play up his association, rightly or wrongly, with antisemitism, yet meaningless trifles presented some kind of image dilemma for him, and not even the incumbent PM hiding in a fridge while his aide told a journalist to fuck off on national television was apparently enough to take the pressure off in any real way. "Boris is Boris" as Theresa May once said, shortly before sacking him; show him doing something patently retarded and people will laugh and clap for more.

Speaking of Boris Johnson, the worst thing Labour could have done was to fall into the same trap the Democrats did with Donald Trump. By attacking his character and things he had said in the past, they played into a game of personality over policy, so all Bozo had to do was bumble around affably repeating the same basic lines over and over, and not even those self same lines coming from the bloated lips and B'stardish grimace of Gove and Raab respectively were enough to make them seem less than wonderful. Ironically Labour and its activist army probably drove more support to the Tories by attacking their leader so fervently.

So I think Labour played its hand quite poorly, appealing largely to "champagne socialists" and the sort of people who view Ash Sarkar as an insightful political commentator, but the deck was stacked against them with their leader being a pro-Palestine critic of Israel who wanted to go after the wealth of the British elite. Even Ed Miliband, himself a Jew, felt the weight of the establishment coming down on him when he whipped in favour of recognising Palestine as an independent state in 2014. Yet the party could have gotten rid of Corbyn at any time had they actually presented a credible alternative. With the best will in the world, Cringela Eagle and Owen "99 Flake" Smith were about as viable as chocolate fireguards. Labour would have been in an infinitely better position if (for example) Hilary Benn, who had already been sacked from Corbyn's cabinet and probably had popular narrative on his side, had been convinced to step up instead.

Well, shit happens. It's at least going to be amusing to see brexiteers of all stripes gradually realise how little what they're getting matches what they voted for. You won, get over it, and so on and so on.

Signed, a working class "small el" lefty who doesn't particularly care for the EU and for whom the real tragedy is that FPTP strikes again.
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« Reply #18 on: December 16, 2019, 12:29:54 PM »
And the best part of all, you're about to get the United State's model of healthcare!!!!

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/dec/08/privatisation-continues-to-threaten-our-nhs

Best healthcare system in the world if you like watching poor people declare bankruptcy every time they visit the emergency room.
Rather than just trumpet this talking point, it would be good if you backed it up with facts.

How about this fact.

Most people are incapable of exercising self control, make stupid choices, and suffer rational consequences for being stupid.

Why would you choose to make someone else pay for that stupidity?
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« Reply #19 on: December 16, 2019, 01:55:45 PM »
I was happy to support Labour in the election (and note with some small amount of pleasure that my constituency remains red) because I believe that a vote on a "deal", something at least close to concrete, is far more valuable than a vote on a vague declaration of intent. And no, a general election was not the proper forum to determine whether or not the patchily reheated withdrawal agreement was a good way forward for the union. In all truth, Labour should have maybe not helped but at least allowed the Tories to get on with their shitshow leave policy, bided their time and then (2021 perhaps) brought forward the confidence motion to trigger an election. But I suspect we are now locked in to at least a decade of Tory rule, and without a strong opposition at that.

I kind of felt bad for Corbyn personally because he was trying to acquiesce on the point of being more "electable" by agreeing to put at least a couple of fingers into the teflonising machine, yet his backbencher instincts compelled him to stick up for his beliefs, kind of the opposite of Tim Farron's gay marriage gaffe. So you ended up with someone who was honest about his most controversial views, yet was fidgeting in his seat over a question about the Queen's speech, which most people in this country don't watch or care about in any sense. He would die on hills that would play up his association, rightly or wrongly, with antisemitism, yet meaningless trifles presented some kind of image dilemma for him, and not even the incumbent PM hiding in a fridge while his aide told a journalist to fuck off on national television was apparently enough to take the pressure off in any real way. "Boris is Boris" as Theresa May once said, shortly before sacking him; show him doing something patently retarded and people will laugh and clap for more.

Speaking of Boris Johnson, the worst thing Labour could have done was to fall into the same trap the Democrats did with Donald Trump. By attacking his character and things he had said in the past, they played into a game of personality over policy, so all Bozo had to do was bumble around affably repeating the same basic lines over and over, and not even those self same lines coming from the bloated lips and B'stardish grimace of Gove and Raab respectively were enough to make them seem less than wonderful. Ironically Labour and its activist army probably drove more support to the Tories by attacking their leader so fervently.

So I think Labour played its hand quite poorly, appealing largely to "champagne socialists" and the sort of people who view Ash Sarkar as an insightful political commentator, but the deck was stacked against them with their leader being a pro-Palestine critic of Israel who wanted to go after the wealth of the British elite. Even Ed Miliband, himself a Jew, felt the weight of the establishment coming down on him when he whipped in favour of recognising Palestine as an independent state in 2014. Yet the party could have gotten rid of Corbyn at any time had they actually presented a credible alternative. With the best will in the world, Cringela Eagle and Owen "99 Flake" Smith were about as viable as chocolate fireguards. Labour would have been in an infinitely better position if (for example) Hilary Benn, who had already been sacked from Corbyn's cabinet and probably had popular narrative on his side, had been convinced to step up instead.

Well, shit happens. It's at least going to be amusing to see brexiteers of all stripes gradually realise how little what they're getting matches what they voted for. You won, get over it, and so on and so on.

Signed, a working class "small el" lefty who doesn't particularly care for the EU and for whom the real tragedy is that FPTP strikes again.

I'm not in love with the Tories either. And of labour I prefer the politics of Jess Phillips and Caroline Flint ... but then they are community minded Labour MPs, not leftists.

The election was split between the anywheres and the somewheres.

If you are a somewhere, your parents live in THIS town, your kids go to school HERE, you use THESE roads to get to work, you voted Conservative. If you are someone who moved to a place, a city, a university, you could live and work anywhere, you voted Labour. Those that can happily turn a place into a toilet and just leave and go some place else like a plague of locusts ... those are the metropolitan elites. A Cornish fisherman votes Tory, an international corporate lawyer votes Labour. Somewhere vs anywhere. Reality vs Ideology. Good vs Evil.

On the day of the election, perennial Labour idiot Dianne Abbott was wearing two left shoes.


That's a metaphor for the Labour party after this election if ever I saw one. So left it has two left feet and is still wandering around in circles after the election wondering what happened. RIP Socialism. RIP.
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