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Re: Nephew's Computer
« Reply #40 on: December 02, 2019, 08:07:55 AM »
Balls. I need a wifi adapter for him.

Ethernet cable is cheaper and far more reliable than a wifi adapter. It's slightly more effort to set up, at least it is if the router's in a different part of the house, but I think he'll appreciate it if he's going to be playing a lot of online games, which thanks to cloud bullshit most games are now.
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« Reply #41 on: December 02, 2019, 10:46:26 AM »
Ethernet cable is cheaper and far more reliable than a wifi adapter.

Did you last use Wi-Fi in 2006?
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Re: Nephew's Computer
« Reply #42 on: December 02, 2019, 11:05:44 AM »
Did you last use Wi-Fi in 2006?
His comment still holds. In fact, it holds today more so than it did in 2006. Your options are 2.4GHz bands, which are almost universally congested; and 5GHz which hates walls and doors - those things that houses have. I'm using Wi-Fi as a temporary solution for my new place - it's fantastic at reducing my 1Gbps link to a much tastier 66Mbps at the far end of the house. And my case is relatively good compared to people whose networks I was asked to "fix" in the past.

A good CAT5e/CAT6 run trumps all. Your edgy tech takes are shite.
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« Reply #43 on: December 02, 2019, 11:16:43 AM »
His comment still holds. In fact, it holds today more so than it did in 2006. Your options are 2.4GHz bands, which are almost universally congested; and 5GHz which hates walls and doors - those things that houses have.

Theoretically, sure. My direct experience is that this rarely matters for reliability.

It can add latency, which is a valid reason to prefer a wired network, but I've almost never had problems with Wi-Fi reliability in the past couple of years that weren't caused by bugs in my Wi-Fi driver. I've more often had my uplink be unreliable than my Wi-Fi connection.

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That depends heavily on a lot of factors. Since this is a desktop, mobility is likely a non-issue here, but there's still the question of whether this is a rented property (in which case running cables inside the walls is likely a non-starter) and how far from the router the kid's room is (running a cable the length of the house for one PC is probably not worth the hassle).

In an ideal world, every house would have an RJ45 port or two wired up with every electrical socket. In reality, a Wi-Fi repeater is often just as reliable as a wired connection (or at the very least, more reliable than the ISP it connects you to) and far simpler and more flexible to set up and maintain.
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« Reply #44 on: December 02, 2019, 11:25:26 AM »
He doesn't have an ethernet outlet in his room. His parents aren't going to want to live with a cable running along the floor in the hallway to his room. He just needs a wifi dongle. This isn't hard.
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« Reply #45 on: December 02, 2019, 11:30:47 AM »
Theoretically, sure. My direct experience is that this rarely matters for reliability.

It can add latency, which is a valid reason to prefer a wired network, but I've almost never had problems with Wi-Fi reliability in the past couple of years that weren't caused by bugs in my Wi-Fi driver. I've more often had my uplink be unreliable than my Wi-Fi connection.
Reliability is a difficult thing to define. Sure, a Wi-Fi connection that's been established will probably not sporadically drop, and your mileage will probably be fairly consistent. But the moment you enter the realm of video games (which often transmit large bursts of data, requiring both good throughput and latency), or high-resolution video streaming, you're starting to push the boundaries of what Wi-Fi can do in a residential setting.

in which case running cables inside the walls is likely a non-starter
I agree that running cables inside the wall would be ideal, and that it's a massive hassle, especially in rented accommodation. However, as a routine tenancy agreement violator, I can say with some confidence that landlords don't have the time to argue with you over a little bit of adhesive trunking attached to the walls, so long as you don't make it look like utter arse.

In an ideal world, every house would have an RJ45 port or two wired up with every electrical socket. In reality, a Wi-Fi repeater is often just as reliable as a wired connection (or at the very least, more reliable than the ISP it connects you to) and far simpler and more flexible to set up and maintain.
I've never found a Wi-Fi repeater that didn't suck, but I gave up on them early on. Or perhaps I was luckier with ISPs than you were. Wi-Fi repeaters don't make sense to me from a physics standpoint - you add congestion to an already noisy frequency, and now your device has to rely on *two* shitty radio connections. You've made the two biggest problems of Wi-Fi worse. I'd much rather go with powerline networking. It offers you a chance of not ruining your bandwidth, generally provides good latency, and if mobility is a factor you can use them as a basis of a Wi-Fi access point.
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« Reply #46 on: December 03, 2019, 02:18:17 AM »
My latency and down/up speeds are mostly the same on wireless and wired connections. This is 2019. WiFi is pretty damn reliable.
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« Reply #47 on: December 03, 2019, 04:53:34 PM »
My latency and down/up speeds are mostly the same on wireless and wired connections. This is 2019. WiFi is pretty damn reliable.
My wifi has about a 20th the speed of using an Ethernet cable in my small apartment. I literally cannot play multiplayer games over wifi without getting a high ping. :( cables4lyf. I put it down the router just being bad but I've never really had much luck with others.
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« Reply #48 on: December 03, 2019, 05:43:43 PM »
Some of the parts have arrived. I want them.

I have 8GB of RAM. There's 16GB sat downstairs.
I could remove my RX580 and swap with the 5700. Would he even notice?
My Ryzen 1400 would pop right out and could go in the 2600X box.

Little shit bag.  >:(
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« Reply #49 on: December 03, 2019, 06:12:25 PM »
I'm so glad Thork isn't my uncle.
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« Reply #50 on: December 03, 2019, 06:40:05 PM »
I'm so glad Thork isn't my uncle.

I'm not the uncle he has to worry about. My brother, 'Uncle Bad Touch', is far more frightening.
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« Reply #51 on: December 03, 2019, 08:24:58 PM »
I'm so glad Thork isn't my uncle.

I'm not the uncle he has to worry about. My brother, 'Big Mike', is far more frightening.

As I'm sure you know from experience.
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« Reply #52 on: December 04, 2019, 10:50:55 AM »
My brother, 'Uncle Bad Touch', is far more frightening.
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« Reply #53 on: December 05, 2019, 01:06:03 PM »
So the processor arrived.



Seriously Amazon? Felix cat food will not run on a B450 motherboard.

Now I'm nervous ... the replacement, which could equally be swapped for more cat food by a thieving immigrant warehouse worker, is due on 17th December. If that too is stolen and replaced with a makeweight product, I'm not going to have all the parts for xmas day. Everything else has arrived already.

I got this cat food from Amazon EU S.a.r.L. so its not a third party to blame here.

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« Reply #54 on: December 05, 2019, 01:07:45 PM »
You should still gift the cat food to your nephew.

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« Reply #55 on: December 05, 2019, 01:09:53 PM »
You should still gift the cat food to your nephew.

Good luck with the replacement.

We don't even own a cat.  >:(
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« Reply #56 on: December 05, 2019, 01:24:09 PM »
What better time to gift your nephew a cat?
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« Reply #57 on: December 05, 2019, 01:25:13 PM »
He doesn't want a cat. He wants a computer. Did you read the OP properly?
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« Reply #58 on: December 05, 2019, 01:25:27 PM »
What better time to gift your nephew a cat?
No! Not even as a joke. So many pets get gifted to/by people who do not understand the level of commitment involved. Animals are friends, not things :(
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