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Re: The NBA should be shut down
« Reply #40 on: May 04, 2014, 11:29:55 AM »
Meanwhile, people who understand what actually happened are having quite a laugh and other innocent people are suffering from the bandwagon.

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Re: The NBA should be shut down
« Reply #41 on: May 04, 2014, 03:02:12 PM »
Meanwhile, people who understand what actually happened are having quite a laugh

Just out of curiosity, tell me exactly what point you think Bomani Jones is making.  I don't think he's supporting your argument the way you think he does.  I'm guessing that you just listened to the first few minutes and tuned out after you heard what you wanted to hear, not realizing that it was the set-up for his real point: Donald Sterling has a long, documented history of being a vicious racist, and this is the least of all the racist things he's done.  He's literally criticizing the league and fans (he calls them 'frauds') for the current level of tolerance of Sterling.  He's saying that we should be less tolerant of Sterling than we currently are.

For example, this Bomani Jones article about what a raging racist Donald Sterling is: http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=jones/060810
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Re: The NBA should be shut down
« Reply #42 on: May 04, 2014, 03:19:43 PM »
Just out of curiosity, tell me exactly what point you think Bomani Jones is making.  I don't think he's supporting your argument the way you think he does.  I'm guessing that you just listened to the first few minutes and tuned out after you heard what you wanted to hear, not realizing that it was the set-up for his real point
You need to stop guessing (you're supposed to be "well informed, thanks")! It won't get you far, what with your natural anti-talent for getting things right and staying on topic.

Yes, Bomani Jones made a decent case for why Sterling might have been a racist in 2006. His actions been dealt with appropriately within the legal mechanisms designated for that purpose. They are irrelevant to this discussion. What is relevant, however, is that this particular situation is absolutely no reason for a backlash - there have been better reasons, and more appropriate backlashes have already occurred.

All in all, I'm glad that throughout your drivel you managed to agree that the situation is (at least relatively) not racist. Granted, it contradicts your previous statements, but I expect nothing else.

For example, this Bomani Jones article about what a raging racist Donald Sterling is: http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=jones/060810
Congratulations, you successfully linked me to an article the video discusses. Give it a few more tries and you might actually finish researching the subject (which you should have done before discussing it, of course).
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Re: The NBA should be shut down
« Reply #43 on: May 04, 2014, 03:59:58 PM »
Yes, Bomani Jones made a decent case for why Sterling might have been a racist in 2006. His actions been dealt with appropriately within the legal mechanisms designated for that purpose. They are irrelevant to this discussion. What is relevant, however, is that this particular situation is absolutely no reason for a backlash - there have been better reasons, and more appropriate backlashes have already occurred.

Jones doesn't say any of that.  He doesn't say anything even close to that.  Bomani Jones is calling Sterling a racist with a documented history of racism.  He's mocking media outlets for not addressing and pointing out Sterling's racism sooner.  He's asking why no backlash has occurred until now (from the NBA, NBA fans, or media outlets).

He literally says that slum lords like Sterling are morally responsible for murdering urban black youth.  Honestly, I don't think you've yet listened to the whole tape.

Dunno where you got the idea that I'm backing down from my claim that asking your girlfriend not to associate with minorities is a totally racist thing to do.  Again, just because someone asked you to act like a racist doesn't absolve you of racism.  No one has ever addressed that argument, Capt. Always On Point.  Maybe spend less time on asinine sarcasm and more time writing sentences that directly articulate your point.

For real, look back at your last three posts and identify the sentences that actually make a point and aren't just snide, sarcastic remarks (hint: there are only two of them).  Don't get me wrong, I love the sarcasm (7/10 would read again); but, constantly having to guess at your meaning is growing old.
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Re: The NBA should be shut down
« Reply #44 on: May 04, 2014, 04:14:15 PM »
Jones doesn't say any of that.  He doesn't say anything even close to that. [...] Honestly, I don't think you've yet listened to the whole tape.
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. If it makes you feel any better, I feel that you haven't listened to the whole video, so our frustration is mutual.

For real, look back at your last three posts and identify the sentences that actually make a point and aren't just snide, sarcastic remarks (hint: there are only two of them).  Don't get me wrong, I love the sarcasm (7/10 would read again); but, constantly having to guess at your meaning is growing old.
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Re: The NBA should be shut down
« Reply #45 on: May 04, 2014, 04:21:20 PM »
Here is another article about Sterling's reputation as a racist. This incident seems more like a straw breaking the camel's back than a bandwagon.

http://m.espn.go.com/nba/story?storyId=10844516&src=desktop&rand=ref~%7B%22ref%22%3A%22https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.ca%2F%22%7D
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Re: The NBA should be shut down
« Reply #46 on: May 04, 2014, 04:26:44 PM »
pizaaplanet clearly has no argument.

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Re: The NBA should be shut down
« Reply #47 on: May 04, 2014, 04:38:12 PM »
This incident seems more like a straw breaking the camel's back than a bandwagon.
It would, assuming that what he did this time was actually racist (I hold it's not, but I appear to be in the minority, even if no one can really explain why). But, even then, why are completely unrelated people being held accountable too?

This is nothing but a witch hunt. The PC police was running out of scapegoats, so they picked one that seemed like an easy target, and they're now attacking anyone that's vaguely related.
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Re: The NBA should be shut down
« Reply #48 on: May 04, 2014, 04:41:53 PM »
This incident seems more like a straw breaking the camel's back than a bandwagon.
It would, assuming that what he did this time was actually racist (I hold it's not, but I appear to be in the minority, even if no one can really explain why). But, even then, why are completely unrelated people being held accountable too?

This is nothing but a witch hunt. The PC police was running out of scapegoats, so they picked one that seemed like an easy target, and they're now attacking anyone that's vaguely related.
He's not unrelated, that link clearly states how he is related and why he's resigning. Hell, it's in the title of the article even. Racism is pretty heavy and while legally Leon Jenkins didn't do anything wrong, people usually do not want to be associated with racism in anyway.

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Re: The NBA should be shut down
« Reply #49 on: May 04, 2014, 04:45:46 PM »
legally Leon Jenkins didn't do anything wrong
My point exactly. He is entirely unrelated, as far as anything with legitimacy is concerned. Sure, some people decided to make him seem related, probably because they had some ulterior motive in destroying the man's career, one that we'll likely never learn about.

The only thing he's guilty of is being targeted by the mob mentality of dumb masses.
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Re: The NBA should be shut down
« Reply #50 on: May 04, 2014, 04:52:17 PM »
legally Leon Jenkins didn't do anything wrong
My point exactly. He is entirely unrelated, as far as anything with legitimacy is concerned. Sure, some people decided to make him seem related, probably because they had some ulterior motive that we'll never learn about.

The only thing he's guilty of is being targeted by the mob mentality of dumb masses.
Not really. No one forced him to resign. I doubt he was even put under that much pressure. It seems to me he made the decision that he didn't want to be associated with it at all.

What Sterling said in this instance isn't legally racist, but it's still a social stigma and you can't successfully have stigmas representing anything. Like if someone was caught on tape that they fantasized about little boy bums yet had no child porn and had a totally clean record. They would still come under heavy fire and no one would want to be associated with them or represented by them.

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Re: The NBA should be shut down
« Reply #51 on: May 04, 2014, 04:55:06 PM »
Like if someone was caught on tape that they fantasized about little boy bums yet had no child porn and had a totally clean record. They would still come under heavy fire and no one would want to be associated with them or represented by them.
Would they be forcefully deprived of their property? Besides, if someone fantasises about boy bums and happens not to do anything bad about it, they cause no harm to society. Leave them be.

And yes, the fact that the professional world succumbs to social stigma is largely my problem with this situation. If he's done something that's actually wrong, take him to court. If he hasn't, stop trying to screw his life up just because some people were offended by what he said.
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« Reply #52 on: May 04, 2014, 05:00:15 PM »
And yes, the fact that the professional world succumbs to social stigma is largely my problem with this situation. If he's done something that's actually wrong, take him to court. If he hasn't, stop trying to screw his life up just because some people were offended by what he said.
You have a strange perspective of the world. People are generally not Lawful Neutral and politics/business relies heavily on public opinion.

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Re: The NBA should be shut down
« Reply #53 on: May 04, 2014, 05:05:36 PM »
You have a strange perspective of the world. People are generally not Lawful Neutral and politics/business relies heavily on public opinion.
A valid point. I just don't think it's worth ruining people's lives over it.

Your ideal isn't bad, it's just not very human.
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« Reply #54 on: May 04, 2014, 08:16:02 PM »
You have a strange perspective of the world. People are generally not Lawful Neutral and politics/business relies heavily on public opinion.
A valid point. I just don't think it's worth ruining people's lives over it.

Your ideal isn't bad, it's just not very human.
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Re: The NBA should be shut down
« Reply #55 on: May 04, 2014, 08:39:35 PM »
Donald Sterling could sell the Clippers for over 1B dollars and can then retire to the Island he will be able to purchase.
He shouldn't be told what to do with his property. The fact that the commodity he's being forced to sell is very valuable doesn't make it better in any way.

The people who will take the worst of this is those Sterling names in the lawsuit for unlawfully recording him.
And rightly so - they appear to be the only people who did anything wrong here.
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Re: The NBA should be shut down
« Reply #56 on: May 04, 2014, 10:20:21 PM »
Donald Sterling could sell the Clippers for over 1B dollars and can then retire to the Island he will be able to purchase.
He shouldn't be told what to do with his property. The fact that the commodity he's being forced to sell is very valuable doesn't make it better in any way.

The people who will take the worst of this is those Sterling names in the lawsuit for unlawfully recording him.
And rightly so - they appear to be the only people who did anything wrong here.

Maybe so, but saying that his life is ruined is not accurate either. As far as being told what to do with his property, he willfully joined an organization that had forced selling of his franchise as a potential penalty, he is not being blindsided by this eventuality.
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« Reply #57 on: May 04, 2014, 11:30:30 PM »
No they do not select a race because they are fast and tall.  They select fast and tall people, many of them are black.  If there was a dearth of fast and tall chinese women, guess what the league would be constituted with?

There is a dearth of fast and tall chinese women.

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Re: The NBA should be shut down
« Reply #58 on: May 05, 2014, 01:57:29 AM »
Maybe so, but saying that his life is ruined is not accurate either.
Sorry, I should have been clearer. It's Leon Jenkins whose life is being ruined, over something he didn't even have control over.

Sterling's life is obviously far from ruined. I think he's being treated unfairly, but he's still set for life. He might have to change hobbies, which is a shame, since it shouldn't happen over something irrelevant to the sport, but oh well.
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Re: The NBA should be shut down
« Reply #59 on: May 05, 2014, 03:14:09 AM »
Maybe so, but saying that his life is ruined is not accurate either.
Sorry, I should have been clearer. It's Leon Jenkins whose life is being ruined, over something he didn't even have control over.

Sterling's life is obviously far from ruined. I think he's being treated unfairly, but he's still set for life. He might have to change hobbies, which is a shame, since it shouldn't happen over something irrelevant to the sport, but oh well.

Oh yeah. Jenkins stepping down is shite. He tried to dance with the devil and he could not manage the backlash. Too bad, because he was probably using disable donations from Sterling for a good purpose.
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