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Re: Bill Nye debates Ken Ham on Creationism
« Reply #20 on: February 06, 2014, 07:50:20 PM »
http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/messages-from-creationists-to-people-who-believe-in-evolutio

lol

How do you explain a sunset if their is no God?

#3 is a good point, though. I even made that same point in another thread.

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Re: Bill Nye debates Ken Ham on Creationism
« Reply #21 on: February 06, 2014, 08:17:31 PM »
http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/messages-from-creationists-to-people-who-believe-in-evolutio

lol

How do you explain a sunset if their is no God?

#3 is a good point, though. I even made that same point in another thread.

Holy fuck people are ignorant.  So many of those "messages" (read criticisms) are due to ignorance, willful or not.

#3 is a good point, but it is more logical to infer that the laws of physics do not change since they never have except in anecdotes with no evidence.  I suppose it is an assumption required for a scientific viewpoint.
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Re: Bill Nye debates Ken Ham on Creationism
« Reply #22 on: February 06, 2014, 08:22:48 PM »


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Re: Bill Nye debates Ken Ham on Creationism
« Reply #23 on: February 06, 2014, 08:25:36 PM »
Creationists... I got this



Might as well pack it in scientists.  .
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Re: Bill Nye debates Ken Ham on Creationism
« Reply #24 on: February 06, 2014, 08:47:53 PM »

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Re: Bill Nye debates Ken Ham on Creationism
« Reply #25 on: February 06, 2014, 09:30:59 PM »


Dayum, Smuggy Smug McSmugface

I always ask creationists who use this stupoid argument to firstly name any other law of thermodynamics, then ask them to tell me, as they understand it, what the second law is. I can put money on them missing out the bit about order tending towards entropy in a closed system.

I then ask them whether they can think of any source for the extra energy being added to the system whilst looking up at the sun.

Sometimes I have to stop because my eyes hurt before they get it.

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Re: Bill Nye debates Ken Ham on Creationism
« Reply #26 on: February 06, 2014, 09:32:25 PM »
http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/messages-from-creationists-to-people-who-believe-in-evolutio

lol

How do you explain a sunset if their is no God?

#3 is a good point, though. I even made that same point in another thread.

It's only logical if God is a trickster who delights in confounding his creation.

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Re: Bill Nye debates Ken Ham on Creationism
« Reply #27 on: February 06, 2014, 09:43:03 PM »
My favorite one is the one about how we've only found one "Lucy."  In other news, we've only found one Barack Obama.

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Re: Bill Nye debates Ken Ham on Creationism
« Reply #28 on: February 06, 2014, 09:48:10 PM »
http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/messages-from-creationists-to-people-who-believe-in-evolutio

lol

How do you explain a sunset if their is no God?

#3 is a good point, though. I even made that same point in another thread.

It's only logical if God is a trickster who delights in confounding his creation.

I'm sure that would hold true regardless.

Re: Bill Nye debates Ken Ham on Creationism
« Reply #29 on: February 06, 2014, 10:03:27 PM »
How the hell are they relating the second law of thermodynamics to evolution?
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Re: Bill Nye debates Ken Ham on Creationism
« Reply #30 on: February 06, 2014, 10:10:19 PM »
How the hell are they relating the second law of thermodynamics to evolution?
Assuming the Earth is a closed system (which it isn't), we should be degenerating, and not progressing
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Re: Bill Nye debates Ken Ham on Creationism
« Reply #31 on: February 06, 2014, 10:14:51 PM »
Even in a closed system, as long as there exists a temperature gradient, work can be done.
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Re: Bill Nye debates Ken Ham on Creationism
« Reply #32 on: February 06, 2014, 11:01:20 PM »
Even in a closed system, as long as there exists a temperature gradient, work can be done.
How do you associate thermodynamics with organic evolution?

Re: Bill Nye debates Ken Ham on Creationism
« Reply #33 on: February 06, 2014, 11:15:23 PM »
Even in a closed system, as long as there exists a temperature gradient, work can be done.
How do you associate thermodynamics with organic evolution?

Organic chemistry involves thermodynamics, especially when it comes to reversible reactions. You couldn't have built the precursors of life without organic chemistry. That's the best I can come up with, you'd have to ask a creationist what they mean by "the second law of thermodynamics disproves evolution."
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Re: Bill Nye debates Ken Ham on Creationism
« Reply #34 on: February 06, 2014, 11:42:35 PM »
The world is amazing so obviously God.
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Re: Bill Nye debates Ken Ham on Creationism
« Reply #35 on: February 06, 2014, 11:58:27 PM »


This one got me.
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Re: Bill Nye debates Ken Ham on Creationism
« Reply #36 on: February 07, 2014, 03:18:47 AM »
Assuming the Earth is a closed system (which it isn't), we should be degenerating, and not progressing

Even if the Earth was a closed system, the argument makes no sense and is clearly made from a standpoint of not knowing what thermodynamics is or how it relates to chemistry and biology. Evolution does not mean systems become more complex, which is probably what they're trying to refer to. Evolution results in an increase or decrease in complexity, depending on which solution solves the problem.

Re: Bill Nye debates Ken Ham on Creationism
« Reply #37 on: February 07, 2014, 03:58:27 AM »
Wow, Ken Ham is Australian. I know we have our fare share of idiots, but to have someone who has totally bought into American brand creationism is rare. Thank God he's over there and not over here.

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Re: Bill Nye debates Ken Ham on Creationism
« Reply #38 on: February 07, 2014, 02:14:32 PM »
Evolution does not mean systems become more complex, which is probably what they're trying to refer to.
Yes, sorry, I forgot to include that assumption. They assume that evolution always results in more information being added to the DNA (sic).
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Re: Bill Nye debates Ken Ham on Creationism
« Reply #39 on: May 18, 2014, 09:31:54 PM »
Whether we agree or disagree, we should defend to the death a persons right to speak