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Re: Bill Nye debates Ken Ham on Creationism
« Reply #160 on: April 23, 2015, 07:37:42 PM »
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Re: Bill Nye debates Ken Ham on Creationism
« Reply #161 on: April 23, 2015, 09:41:02 PM »
Feeding a bad troll is not a victimless crime. Please stop.

Apologies.
It is often hard to distinguish between a troll and a true fanatic (Poe's Law).
Fanaticism irks me and I try to respond with logic, even though I know by the definition of a fanatic that it will be fruitless.

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Re: Bill Nye debates Ken Ham on Creationism
« Reply #162 on: April 24, 2015, 01:16:54 AM »
Complex systems are certainly possible in evolution, especially when one understands how things like protein facilitators and enzymes work.
You still have nothing to directly point to a designer

yr reply is all mixed up with mine.....but...i'll address this because its probably the most relevant and pertinent;

irreducibly complex, machine-like systems are not possible in evolution;
certainly not in "evolution" as its commonly understood and certainly not without Intelligent intervention;
the Second Law of Thermodynamics mitigates heavily against it and, also, the fact that information cannot originate from any naturalistic-type process;
information required intelligence;
that is a clear deduction using the same sort of methodology that cryptographers, forensic scientists and archaeologists employ!
more-over, the irreducibly complex systems we see in Nature would have to have been all put in place instantaneously and simultaneously for life to survive (you can't have, for instance, a ½-completed blood clotting system)....it has to all be working perfectly from the word "GO!";
the close similarity of biological systems also indicates not many but a single, Omnipotent Designer;
this book goes into that argument in detail;
see, in particular, the sections on "Haldane's Dilemma" and "Nested Hierarchy"
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Re: Bill Nye debates Ken Ham on Creationism
« Reply #163 on: April 24, 2015, 01:25:47 AM »
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Re: Bill Nye debates Ken Ham on Creationism
« Reply #164 on: April 24, 2015, 02:01:32 AM »
irreducibly complex, machine-like systems are not possible in evolution;
certainly not in "evolution" as its commonly understood and certainly not without Intelligent intervention;
I suppose it is a good thing that this isn't the case.

information required intelligence;
that is a clear deduction using the same sort of methodology that cryptographers, forensic scientists and archaeologists employ!
This is unequivocally false.
 
more-over, the irreducibly complex systems we see in Nature would have to have been all put in place instantaneously and simultaneously for life to survive
Who sees? This literally makes no sense and is entirely made up.

the close similarity of biological systems also indicates not many but a single, Omnipotent Designer;
False.
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Re: Bill Nye debates Ken Ham on Creationism
« Reply #165 on: April 24, 2015, 03:03:01 AM »
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i suggest you get a copy of this book and read it!

oh....BTW....can you cite any example of information or machinery being produced without intelligent intervention?!?  ::)

sheesh!

some of you people on here.....you must have some sort of brain disease or some-thing....Encephalitis or some-thing!

UN-believable!   ::)
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Re: Bill Nye debates Ken Ham on Creationism
« Reply #166 on: April 24, 2015, 01:15:04 PM »
[.........]
 

i suggest you get a copy of this book and read it!

oh....BTW....can you cite any example of information or machinery being produced without intelligent intervention?!?  ::)

sheesh!

some of you people on here.....you must have some sort of brain disease or some-thing....Encephalitis or some-thing!

UN-believable!   ::)


Well this (above) must count as information, and I see no sign of intelligence.
Just to be clear, you are all terrific, but everything you say is exactly what a moron would say.

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Re: Bill Nye debates Ken Ham on Creationism
« Reply #167 on: April 26, 2015, 12:03:52 AM »
oh....BTW....can you cite any example of information or machinery being produced without intelligent intervention?!?  ::)

Unicellular organisms.
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Re: Bill Nye debates Ken Ham on Creationism
« Reply #168 on: July 13, 2015, 10:52:27 AM »
sorry!
its "irreducible complexity" all the way down!  :o
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Re: Bill Nye debates Ken Ham on Creationism
« Reply #169 on: July 13, 2015, 06:03:38 PM »

sorry!
its "irreducible complexity" all the way down!  :o


False.
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Re: Bill Nye debates Ken Ham on Creationism
« Reply #170 on: September 09, 2018, 06:49:29 PM »
Where am I the Bill Nye appreciation society?!  ;)

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Re: Bill Nye debates Ken Ham on Creationism
« Reply #171 on: September 10, 2018, 01:34:52 AM »
Where am I the Bill Nye appreciation society?!  ;)
You're in a place where bumping a 3-year-old thread with a pointless comment is not appreciated. Have a warning. Locking thread.
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