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Anti-Vaxxers
« on: January 28, 2019, 04:24:35 PM »
Does anybody here actually believe that vaccines don't work, and that you shouldn't vaccinate your child, or anybody? I've always been curious about why you would think that...
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Re: Anti-Vaxxers
« Reply #1 on: January 28, 2019, 08:56:05 PM »
They work ... but not for very long in the greater scheme of things. And soon they won't work and there will be nothing that does.

http://www.vaxchoicevt.com/are-vaccines-creating-superbugs/

No point in keeping your powder dry when there is profit to be made today. Give everyone medicines they don't need and vampire the treasury to pay for it.
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Re: Anti-Vaxxers
« Reply #2 on: January 29, 2019, 04:09:03 AM »
Wait are you seriously against Vaccines?
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Re: Anti-Vaxxers
« Reply #3 on: January 29, 2019, 11:23:29 AM »
I'm against vaccinating low-risk groups unnecessarily, yes. It causes virus immunity that then harms those that would be at severe risk.

Lets take flu shots. Old people queue round the block for these every winter. Not ill people ... old people. Heaven forbid they might have a sniffle. This makes flu resistant and means if someone who may be in hospital with an immune problem needs a flu shot to save their life ... it might not be effective any more.

Couple this with the vast expense (thank you socialist NHS) of providing millions of shots to precious old people who don't want a runny nose and I think mass vaccinations for many diseases are utterly pointless and in many cases dangerous and economically predatory.
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Re: Anti-Vaxxers
« Reply #4 on: January 29, 2019, 11:52:47 AM »
I'm against vaccinating low-risk groups unnecessarily, yes. It causes virus immunity that then harms those that would be at severe risk.

Lets take flu shots. Old people queue round the block for these every winter. Not ill people ... old people. Heaven forbid they might have a sniffle. This makes flu resistant and means if someone who may be in hospital with an immune problem needs a flu shot to save their life ... it might not be effective any more.

Couple this with the vast expense (thank you socialist NHS) of providing millions of shots to precious old people who don't want a runny nose and I think mass vaccinations for many diseases are utterly pointless and in many cases dangerous and economically predatory.
As someone who suffers acute asthma a lot, I can tell you now I need a flu shot. Flu can be deadly to me and I've been hospitalised several times from not just flu but also (unrelated) hayfever too. The flu shot isn't 100% effective because the virus changes constantly and so there's a chance you will catch a different strain of the virus but it sure helps.

It's worth mentioning that vaccines for viruses aren't the same as antibiotics for bacteria. flu doesn't get stronger from flu vaccines like bacteria does from antibiotics, one is a preventative measure against viruses while the other fights off and kills bacteria, giving the bacteria a chance to get stronger and more resistant. The real worry is keeping livestock together and having viruses spread between animals before hitting humans.

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Re: Anti-Vaxxers
« Reply #5 on: January 29, 2019, 01:11:00 PM »
Yeah, vaccines don’t attack viruses, they stimulate antibody growth in humans so that viruses cannot survive once they infect a human. So if there are antibody immune viruses then this was inevitable in a way that antibiotic superbugs are not.
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Re: Anti-Vaxxers
« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2019, 11:38:44 AM »
It is almost as if neither of you clicked the source I provided showing that vaccinations do create superbugs.

http://www.vaxchoicevt.com/are-vaccines-creating-superbugs/
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Re: Anti-Vaxxers
« Reply #7 on: January 30, 2019, 01:00:00 PM »
It is almost as if neither of you clicked the source I provided showing that vaccinations do create superbugs.

http://www.vaxchoicevt.com/are-vaccines-creating-superbugs/

I wrote two sentences and you didn’t read them. You didn’t even have to click a link.

There is a pretty good chance this site is full of shit though. Their first source is a dead link and their second source clearly says that their data in inconclusive. Meanwhile vaccination effectively wiped out polio and measles.
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