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Re: Build Wall
« Reply #40 on: January 12, 2019, 04:28:26 PM »
Look, most illegals cross either legally or near major cities.  Focus on that as well as "why" they come and you'll get more bang for your buck.

Read that sentence again. "Most illegals cross legally" haha, what? If you're referring to visa overstays, that's not a crime. Overstaying a visa after legally gaining entry to the country does not make you an illegal alien. That narrative was started to purposefully confuse people about the issues at hand. There's a huge difference between a border hopper and someone who was vetted and received a visa, then just never left. A visa overstay is a civil offense, nothing more.


I was, actually.  I figured they were criminals and illegal aliens by the system.  If we cancel those people out, how many illegals do we have?

No one knows how many illegal aliens the US has because, hilariously enough, they avoid documentation. It's also impossible to get a good estimate, because the media is constantly trying to shift the public on what an illegal alien actually is, in much the same way that most people can't tell me the difference between an assault weapon and an assault rifle. An "illegal alien" in the US is a very specific legal term, but an "undocumented migrant" is not, which is why the media constantly wants to talk about one of those but not the other.

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« Reply #41 on: January 12, 2019, 04:42:44 PM »
Look, most illegals cross either legally or near major cities.  Focus on that as well as "why" they come and you'll get more bang for your buck.

Read that sentence again. "Most illegals cross legally" haha, what? If you're referring to visa overstays, that's not a crime. Overstaying a visa after legally gaining entry to the country does not make you an illegal alien. That narrative was started to purposefully confuse people about the issues at hand. There's a huge difference between a border hopper and someone who was vetted and received a visa, then just never left. A visa overstay is a civil offense, nothing more.


I was, actually.  I figured they were criminals and illegal aliens by the system.  If we cancel those people out, how many illegals do we have?

No one knows how many illegal aliens the US has because, hilariously enough, they avoid documentation. It's also impossible to get a good estimate, because the media is constantly trying to shift the public on what an illegal alien actually is, in much the same way that most people can't tell me the difference between an assault weapon and an assault rifle. An "illegal alien" in the US is a very specific legal term, but an "undocumented migrant" is not, which is why the media constantly wants to talk about one of those but not the other.


Wouldn't that mean that any talk about the cost of illegals, the benefit of a wall, how many people slip through the border, and crime rate of illegals is worthless? For all we know, only 50 people slip throuh into America a year from crossing the border without documentstion.

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« Reply #42 on: January 12, 2019, 08:26:44 PM »
Wouldn't that mean that any talk about the cost of illegals, the benefit of a wall, how many people slip through the border, and crime rate of illegals is worthless? For all we know, only 50 people slip throuh into America a year from crossing the border without documentstion.

Well, we know that border patrol captures tens of thousands of people per month attempting to cross the border illegally. Roughly 400,000 people per year, according to this: https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/cbp-enforcement-statistics. Another 200,000 per year are caught trying to enter through a legal passage without authorization (e.g. a vehicle checkpoint). Since we know the amount of people that evade border patrol is greater than zero, then it's just a matter of trying to estimate what percentage of the total people entering the US illegally are getting away with it. If we give BP a lot of credit, and say they capture 90% of illegal aliens, then that still leaves us with 40,000 people per year getting into the nation illegally every year.

Keeping in mind this is after enormous strides in securing the border (which were bipartisan efforts, up until 2015, when it magically became a partisan issue). After Reagan made the amnesty deal, illegal migration surged, with the 90s and 2000s seeing millions of people trying to gain illegal entry each year. As it turns out, rewarding people for illegally coming into the country results in more people doing it.

This isn't going to stop and I estimate it will get many times worse in the coming decades if major climate change predictions pan out and displace millions of people in Central and South America. Desperate people with nothing to lose will begin marching north by the millions and we can only hope Border Patrol is up to the task. It's just too bad Trump can't acknowledge this problem, since he's busied himself denying climate change altogether, though I doubt the Democrat party in its current state would support such a motivation regardless.
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« Reply #43 on: January 13, 2019, 07:51:54 AM »
That is alot.


So, looking at it, according to this article from the washingtimes
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/apr/2/border-patrol-agents-back-trump-wall-survey-finds/


Most border agents want more fences.  And trump's wall is only a few hundred miles more, not the whole border.


So I've changed my mind.  Its not a big deal.  $5 billion is small for the government.


The issue now is that its a power struggle between democrats and Trump.  Whoever blinks first is going to look weak.  Probably a chapter in "The Art of the Deal" about it.
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Re: Build Wall
« Reply #44 on: January 16, 2019, 08:36:10 PM »


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« Reply #45 on: January 17, 2019, 12:25:08 AM »
asinine infographic

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/425414-mcconnell-blocks-house-bill-to-reopen-government-for-second-time
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/425469-mcconnell-senate-wont-override-trump-veto-on-shutdown-fight

lol yeah it's definitely chuck and nancy keeping our government from paying its fucking employees.

also yes, if one spouse unilaterally decides to stop working and paying bills until everyone else agrees to spend household money on his favorite toy, then that spouse is a piece of shit, and i hope he dies in prison.
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Re: Build Wall
« Reply #46 on: January 19, 2019, 09:49:44 PM »
Sorry this took me a while to make.  I have a life.


One man's hero is another man's villian.
One man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist.

However, lets be clear: While both sides could end this now, Donald is the one making demands for something.  He is using America as leverage to get his wall, like a terrorist holding hostages.  HE is demanding something that's new.  The democrats want business as usual.  They want the status quo.  A kidnapper doesn't call and say "You can have your child back if you don't pay me $5 million."

Trump is a terrorist, holding Americans hostage.  And we don't negotiate with terrorists.

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« Reply #47 on: January 20, 2019, 06:40:59 AM »
(@moderator: you'd think I'd have remembered to shrink it.  Sorry.)


So, not sure how I feel on this:
https://www.npr.org/2019/01/19/686876605/trump-offers-temporary-immigrant-protections-for-5-7-billion-in-wall-money


One hand, its is fair deal.  On the other hand, i can see why dems want the government open first.  Not only does it remove any leverage Trump has, but it means there is no rush for making a deal with the border wall.
Also, Trump is losing support and thats thats good for Dems.

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« Reply #48 on: January 20, 2019, 08:11:29 AM »
My limited understanding of the issue is that I'm not quite clear on DACA as a bargaining chip. It's tied up in the courts and if the Supreme Court doesn't take up the Trump appeal this session then it kicks around for the better part of 2019 as is. So if all that is true, I wonder if Dems are rolling the dice and simply saying DACA is moot at the moment and will be until October, so this deal isn't really offering anything.
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« Reply #49 on: January 20, 2019, 09:28:54 AM »
My limited understanding of the issue is that I'm not quite clear on DACA as a bargaining chip. It's tied up in the courts and if the Supreme Court doesn't take up the Trump appeal this session then it kicks around for the better part of 2019 as is. So if all that is true, I wonder if Dems are rolling the dice and simply saying DACA is moot at the moment and will be until October, so this deal isn't really offering anything.


https://www.apnews.com/75a7ae8777574164bbe92aa9c1861d89


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« Reply #50 on: January 20, 2019, 10:30:39 AM »
Exactly. So if I were a poker player and offered up a DACA deal to give someone something of what they want that I don't want, I would say no. I've got time on my side. DACA works as is and if you want to hold out for 10 months I'll be sure to make this all looks like you holding out and not me.
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Re: Build Wall
« Reply #51 on: January 22, 2019, 12:35:03 PM »
Meanwhile, back on the ranch...

The government shutdown plan is working exactly like Trump wanted it to...

Soon, the fat will be trimmed from the hog and all these unnecessary morons can move to their dream socialist paradise...

Soon, civil court cases can be moved to military tribunal status and the traitors can be tried in an expeditious manner...

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« Reply #52 on: January 22, 2019, 01:09:38 PM »
So edgy. So brave.
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« Reply #53 on: January 22, 2019, 05:01:18 PM »
Meanwhile, back on the ranch...

The government shutdown plan is working exactly like Trump wanted it to...

Soon, the fat will be trimmed from the hog and all these unnecessary morons can move to their dream socialist paradise...

Soon, civil court cases can be moved to military tribunal status and the traitors can be tried in an expeditious manner...


Nah.  Its so the kitchen staff is home and he can have fast food every day.

Re: Build Wall
« Reply #54 on: January 22, 2019, 05:16:40 PM »
Meanwhile, back on the ranch...

The government shutdown plan is working exactly like Trump wanted it to...

Soon, the fat will be trimmed from the hog and all these unnecessary morons can move to their dream socialist paradise...

Soon, civil court cases can be moved to military tribunal status and the traitors can be tried in an expeditious manner...


Nah.  Its so the kitchen staff is home and he can have fast food every day.
Fast food and military tribunals clearly go hand in hand.

Both quick and easy and so satisfying!

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« Reply #55 on: January 22, 2019, 07:09:57 PM »
Meanwhile, back on the ranch...

The government shutdown plan is working exactly like Trump wanted it to...

Soon, the fat will be trimmed from the hog and all these unnecessary morons can move to their dream socialist paradise...

Soon, civil court cases can be moved to military tribunal status and the traitors can be tried in an expeditious manner...


Nah.  Its so the kitchen staff is home and he can have fast food every day.
Fast food and military tribunals clearly go hand in hand.

Both quick and easy and so satisfying!
Just keep in mind how fast trump turns on his friends.

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« Reply #56 on: January 23, 2019, 06:46:58 AM »
I may regret asking this, but what traitors?
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« Reply #57 on: January 23, 2019, 07:22:17 AM »
I may regret asking this, but what traitors?
Isn't it obvious?
Anyone not a Trump supporter.

Re: Build Wall
« Reply #58 on: January 25, 2019, 12:11:01 PM »
I learned something new, from a MEME none the less:

Democrats (well, 8 of them) in the senate, voted for a giant immigration bill that would have added 700+ miles of wall on the border.https://www.congress.gov/bill/113th-congress/senate-bill/744/text?q=%7B%22search%22%3A%5B%22s%2C744%22%5D%7D&r=64
Republicans failed to take it up in the house.
The meme, of course, points to Schummer as being flippy since he was one of the 8 senators who make the bill and now is fighting against a similar one.  BUT Mitch McConnel voted against it and now he's in favor of it.
So... yeah, this is history repeating itself, just from opposite sides.  And we can see the answer to "If this was a X policy, would you support it?"  as being "Yes." Support your party.  Oppose the other party.  Doesn't matter what it is, just do the opposite of the other side.

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« Reply #59 on: January 25, 2019, 02:46:13 PM »
This is a little cherry picking though. Were they voting for and against a wall specifically? Or the bill as a whole?
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