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Flat Earth Community / Re: Is space real?
« on: October 12, 2016, 08:58:17 PM »
It's the real deal. I've seen satillites with my own eyes.

Well I hate to break it to you, but satellites aren't in "SPACE" they are in low earth orbit. That's anywhere from 100 miles up to 1,200 miles. Either way, not outer space.

I'm no expert, but the quick google search I did (Wikipedia) seems to disagree with you. Whose right? Or since it's not well defined perhaps it's somewhat subjective. But your post sounded quite positive.

"There is no firm boundary where outer space begins. However the Kármán line, at an altitude of 100 km (62 mi) above sea level, is conventionally used as the start of outer space in space treaties and for aerospace records keeping."

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Apollo 8 astronaut William Ander's Earthrise???
« on: October 12, 2016, 07:23:52 PM »

The information I have is that the camera used was
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The onboard cameras for the Apollo 8 mission were modified Hasselblad 500 EL cameras, with 80-millimeter and 250-millimeter Zeiss panacolor lenses.

The film was 70 mm sprocket film with gate dimensions (from what I can drag up) of 55 mm x 55 mm. 
On the 1920 x 1920 pixel photo I have the earth image is 287 pixels wide, or 55 x (287/1920) = 8.22 mm wide.
If the 250 mm lens was used this makes the angular size of the earth 2 x atan((8.22/2)/250) = 1.88°

If we take the diameter of the earth as 7,918 miles, this makes the earth to moon distance of 241,728 miles.

@Rabinoz

You seem to know a fair bit about this kind of thing so I have a couple of questions for you. I don't want to obligate you with spending time on this if you don't want to. If you're too busy just disregard this post.

Can you tell me how far a camera would need to be from the earth in order to determine it's shape? Assume the best commercially available camera for the job. Do you know if FEers would accept digitally streamed images or would it need to be an old fashioned negative? And apparently there is some issue with the type of lense? Is there a type of lense which cannot be blamed for the roundness of the images produced at large distances?

Thanks for your time.

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@ Boots,

Oh c'mmon, all your GE-based arguments and proofs have been overused already.

If I were to argue that 2+2=5 you would likely use a few arguments and proofs to show me that I was in error and that 2+2=4. If I continued to disagree would you continue to come up with new proofs and arguments? No. There is not an infinite number of proofs and arguments available. The value of a proof is not determined by the number of times it has been used.

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    @ Boots,

    Oh c'mmon, all your GE-based arguments and proofs have been overused already. I suggest you read also ALL FE arguments and facts re such topic. Anyway, let me tell you that in those lines of arguments, both GEs and FEs have valid points, only that they don't see that, causing them to pointlessly and endlessly argue and argue without getting to the truth out there. Don't get into such trap, you might find yourself knowing nothing but shallow info. Be a truth seeker. Find out there somewhere an irrefutable and indubitable proof(s)... Thanks. :)

    I confess I am not that well versed in FE arguments. The reason I like to discuss on this forum is because I prefer to learn from discussion than from reading big books or watching long, rambling videos. So I have a couple questions I would like you to answer:

    • Do you believe that a string pulled tight forms a straight line or a curved line?
    • Do you believe a laser beam forms a straight line, or a curved line?
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    Flat Earth Community / Re: Is space real?
    « on: October 12, 2016, 09:00:53 AM »
    Guys is space real or made up by Nasa?   8)

    Yes. Space is real. Except in my closet, where there is always an absence of space!

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    im thinking our reality is neither globe or flat..its something else..it wouldnt even be debatable if it was.
    It's an irregular shape but most closely resembles a sphere.

    Better back up your proposition with irrefutable proof(s) that is true only to that "irregular shape" claim of yours.... :)

    As far as the irregular claim, look at your nearest mountains and/or valley. There is the proof. For proof of the claim that the earth resembles a sphere I would like to submit a couple of photos. If those don't convince you, circumnavigate the earth travelling NE, NW, SE, or SW and see if you arrive at your starting point. Another thing you can do is shine a laser two miles over a still body of water. Make sure the light is the same distance above the water at either end. (I suggest 1 foot. Less than 8 inches won't work.)  Then go measure the middle. If you don't have a laser you can do the same experiment by stretching strong, neutral buoyancy fish-line tight underneath the surface of the water.Here are the photos:



    447
    Something Something Satan Reasons.

    Is that a riddle?

    448
    Flat Earth Community / Re: Flat Earth SciFi Story
    « on: October 11, 2016, 03:32:29 PM »


      Its not much to go on but I really don't feel like pouring my thoughts out if no one is going to read them.

    I'll read them. And comment when inspired.

    449
    im thinking our reality is neither globe or flat..its something else..it wouldnt even be debatable if it was.
    It's an irregular shape but most closely resembles a sphere.

    450
    Why would governments etc. go to such lengths to deceive us about the shape of the earth? This so-called conspiracy would have had to have started a thousand years ago and been upheld by multiple countries, societies and eras. This would be a nearly impossible feat. And to what end?

    Also, are scientists part of the conspiracy or are they being "duped" along with the rest of us?

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    Flat Earth Theory / Why is it hard to believe the earth is round?
    « on: October 04, 2016, 02:58:42 AM »
    What I want to know is why FEers think the earth is flat when we can see that the moon, sun and other planets are round.
    My room contains 5 pieces of furniture. 4 of them are chairs. How dare you try to tell me that the 5th item might be a table?!

    This logic is ludicrous. The Earth is not other planets. You can't ascertain anything about the Earth's shape merely from the shape of other celestial bodies.

    The logic is not ludicrous. I agree that the fact that the other planets are round is not proof that the earth is round. It is definitely an indicator though. And for that matter, what shape do you really think the earth is? You say it's flat but what about the other dimension? Is it a cube? An icosahedron? People who say the earth is round do not mean that it is 100% spherical, only that it is somewhat spherical. Any three dimensional object has the characteristic that if you keep going in one direction you will eventually come back to your starting point. So when you say the earth is flat what exactly do you mean?

    BTW I am interested in answers from members of this site, NOT links to rambling youtube videos.

    452
    Flat Earth Community / Re: Could this experiment be performed ?
    « on: September 16, 2016, 08:31:54 AM »
    I hereby abandon my "experiment" for lack of a perfectly flat, perfectly level elevation , perfectly straight  roadway.....For at least 3 miiles.
    If someone else wants to pick up on it, they have my blessings . LOL

    Also, ask earth levelers. They are about as far from NASA propagandists as you can get. But they will tell you that you can only use a laser for about 1/4 of a mile. After that it is not accurate enough. This is because the laser is shooting in a straight line which is level with the position of the laser. As you move further away from the laser, it gradually begins to shoot "uphill" in relation to the earth at that location. Up until 1/4 mile the effect is small enough to ignore. After that they need to make an adjustment -  otherwise, according to how water behaves, they will be going uphill and not level.

    453
    Hello,

    First, if you leave from any point on the earth, say in a plane, and continually travel in a straight line east will you not eventually end up where you started? If you did this only once from one location you would only have proved that at least the earth was disc shaped. If you went further north and/or south and did the same thing you would have proved the earth was at least cylindrical. If you did this numerous times at different latitudes and fairly consistent elevations you could soon get a pretty good idea as to whether the earth had the characteristics of a sphere by measuring your distances.

    When I wrote this I did not know about the FE map. I still think it is a fairly simple test. According to the round earth model, if you flew around the world (at a consistent elevation) fairly far north, then again at the equator and again in the south, you would find that the distances flown would be greater at the equator than in the north and south. According to the flat earth model, the distance should continue to get greater as you moved further south regardless of elevation. I am going to calculate how large these differences would be at specific locations.

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    Flat Earth Theory / Re: Why is the sun round?
    « on: August 28, 2016, 03:21:15 PM »
    What I want to know is why FEers think the earth is flat when we can see that the moon, sun and other planets are round.
    My room contains 5 pieces of furniture. 4 of them are chairs. How dare you try to tell me that the 5th item might be a table?!

    This logic is ludicrous. The Earth is not other planets. You can't ascertain anything about the Earth's shape merely from the shape of other celestial bodies.

    To quote myself from 2 years back:
    The Earth is not other planets. Other planets' characteristics may suggest things about the Earth, but they don't have to. Similarly, so far we have not seen a planet with intelligent life, so why does the Earth have intelligent life? Surely that's completely illogical since everything around us disproves our existence!

    The logic is not ludicrous. I agree that the fact that the other planets are round is not proof that the earth is round. It is definitely an indicator though. And for that matter, what shape do you really think the earth is? You say it's flat but what about the other dimension? Is it a cube? An icosahedron? People who say the earth is round do not mean that it is 100% spherical, only that it is somewhat spherical. Any three dimensional object has the characteristic that if you keep going in one direction you will eventually come back to your starting point. So when you say the earth is flat what exactly do you mean?

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    Flat Earth Theory / Re: Why is the sun round?
    « on: August 25, 2016, 05:52:49 AM »
    What I want to know is why FEers think the earth is flat when we can see that the moon, sun and other planets are round.

    456
    I should have done this first I guess, but I have been reading the FAQ page. Now I am really amazed. Newtons universal law of gravity is discredited and an alternative theory which posits that the earth is infinitely accelerating is given. Occam's Razor is definitely not being applied on this site, or rather I should say, it is being inversely applied. As in: the most complicated and least substantiated explanation shall be taken as the correct one.

    457
    Also, ask earth levelers. They are about as far from NASA propagandists as you can get. But they will tell you that you can only use a laser for about 1/4 of a mile. After that it is not accurate enough. This is because the laser is shooting in a straight line which is level with the position of the laser. As you move further away from the laser, it gradually begins to shoot "uphill" in relation to the earth at that location. Up until 1/4 mile the effect is small enough to ignore. After that they need to make an adjustment -  otherwise, according to how water behaves, they will be going uphill and not level.

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    Flat Earth Theory / Re: The ISS, visible in the sky
    « on: August 22, 2016, 04:59:49 AM »
    But seeing something and actually knowing what it is are two very different things

    Sure, that's a fair point.  We can go for a lower bar: without demanding that people KNOW what that fast moving bright light is, I'm curious what the FE community THINKS it is, and how it fits into their FE system.  So far we have a suggestion that it is a hologram / projection.  Are there other ideas?

    I personally don't believe in space flight simply because I don't see the force of gravity as a suitable model in being that mass should attract mass because, um, mass.

    And if this is what we're told on how orbit, satellites, revolution of planets work, then I can't accept it because I don't accept Newtonian gravity.

    Now as far as what it is, it could be a very high altitude plane for all I know.


    But you do accept that gravity exists in the sense the if you jump off a cliff or fall out of a tree you will definitely accelerate toward the earth. Do you have an explanation for this phenomenon? And on what basis do you reject  Newton's law of universal gravitation?

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    Hello,

    I just joined this site. I am not a flat-earther so I hope it's OK that I'm here. I wanted to ask a few questions regarding the shape of the earth. First, if you leave from any point on the earth, say in a plane, and continually travel in a straight line east will you not eventually end up where you started? If you did this only once from one location you would only have proved that at least the earth was disc shaped. If you went further north and/or south and did the same thing you would have proved the earth was at least cylindrical. If you did this numerous times at different latitudes and fairly consistent elevations you could soon get a pretty good idea as to whether the earth had the characteristics of a sphere by measuring your distances. I have no idea what flat-earthers believe regarding the magnetic field, but you could do the same thing by travelling in a straight line along a line of longitude. Depending on where you started, your compass would likely change directions a couple of times.

    Also, if you stand on the shore at the ocean and watch a ship coming or going you will see it rising into view or falling away from view respectively. This becomes more evident if you have some binoculars or a telescope.

    These are things that aren't that hard to do, and in fact have been done. They do not require any input from NASA or any other government organization.

    Since these are such simple suggestions, I'm sure they've been answered. However, I don't know your answer to these questions since I am new to this site, but I would like to. Hence, this post.

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