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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Are the American police out of control?

« on: June 08, 2020, 10:34:25 AM »

That's 45 mins or so of video with a couple of folks talking to camera.

You could at least summarise in your own words what they say, and what you think the videos actually say which is pertinent to the thread....

However, didn't you say yesterday you were "done"

Done with you cause you are clearly an idiot and also perfectly willing to be dishonest and use dishonest tactics to push your pov.

Summary is that abolishing the police is an absurd idea which most Americans don't support for obvious reasons. There are bad some bad cops and probably some procedural issues that should be addressed.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Are the American police out of control?

« on: June 08, 2020, 09:47:43 AM »

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Are the American police out of control?

« on: June 08, 2020, 09:41:54 AM »

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Are the American police out of control?

« on: June 07, 2020, 04:06:00 PM »

Thousands and thousands of good police makes it worse??

If they stand around and watch the bad ones, yes. If they stand around and form a circle around the bad ones to block cameras while the bad ones beat the sh*t out of the public, yes.

The good ones cannot stand by and do nothing. If they do this, they are the bad ones, too.

Thousands and thousands of good police are not standing around watching a few bad police do bad things. Any more than you are. Maybe YOU'RE BAD.

 

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Are the American police out of control?

« on: June 07, 2020, 03:47:41 PM »

Did you visit your local police station?

No, I thought I made it clear that there is no American police station "local" to me.

Also, I question most of your stories because they come from highly biased and unreliable sources.

You might have questioned them, but I've seen little in terms of disproving them.

They come from the general public. The TV stations whose programming then broadcasts those videos are not the source of the video. The general public - you know, the folk who PAY the police via their taxes, and whom the police are supposed to protect and serve ...   by all means, name a "non-biased and reliable source" to see the examples of "thousands and thousands" that you refer to below.

But even if we were to take them at face value, all the stories you mentioned only involve a few police persons. There are thousands and thousands more who aren't doing these kind of things.

... which sorta makes it worse. When the bad apple is beating the living sh*t out of a passer-by with a riot baton, when two other bad apples simply walk up and JOIN IN the beating, three against one, for no apparent reason, then if the good apples are standing around letting them do this, they cease to be the good ones.

The "only a few" is currently well over 350 incidents strong, and this seems likely to grow as the police forces track down those who were at protests, and seek to take revenge on them in the coming days and weeks. That seems to have started already in some areas....

  Yes I do question your sources and no I'm not going to the work of disproving them. As I already said, even if they are all true and have been accurately reported they still don't support the ultimate conclusion you are making.


Thousands and thousands of good police makes it worse?? So bad police are bad but thousands of good police makes it worse? We're done. You're clearly thoroughly drunk on the MSM koolaid.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Are the American police out of control?

« on: June 07, 2020, 02:12:20 PM »

The good apples are everywhere. Go visit your local police station and stop being a moron! Also, get some better sources.

No, they don't appear to be so, with new examples of casual brutality coming in almost hourly. Where are the good apples who will stop their bad apple colleagues when they abuse the people they're supposed to protect?

The latest is that the LAPD are apparently deliberately injuring protesters when cutting off plastic zip-tie cuffs with OPEN BLADES. Not once, but repeatedly. One protestor has three stitched wounds where the officer cut her hand to the bone. Surely there are TOOLS to do this which are better than open blades? 

"One time is a mistake. Over and over establishes intent."

"Laura Montilla, a 22 year old protester and USC graduate, also witnessed LAPD officers slice a woman's hand before releasing her into an unfamiliar neighborhood in the middle of the night without medical care or a working phone, while she was bleeding. "


You've twice told me to find "better sources" but still have not specified what they are. Sorry, but I'm too far away to consider any American police station as "local".

If you have a friendly "good apple" policeman or woman, by all means invite them over here so that we can show them what the bad apples are doing, and we'll see how good they are.

Did you visit your local police station? No? Just opted to sit on your couch watching ABC, and MSNBC instead? Also, I question most of your stories because they come from highly biased and unreliable sources. But even if we were to take them at face value, all the stories you mentioned only involve a few police persons. There are thousands and thousands more who aren't doing these kind of things.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Are the American police out of control?

« on: June 07, 2020, 02:04:38 PM »

Police are what stand between us and a lawless society. Anyone who thinks we should get rid of them deserves the catastrophic results that would follow. Luckily for them, there are smarter people in control of policy. For now.

Are there bad police with bad values who abuse their power? Absolutely, and when they do they should be dealt with. (Which takes other, good police to enforce btw.)

This is nonsense.  The vast majority of people don't commit crimes because they think it's wrong.

And you know this how? Even if you could somehow know that to be true, it doesn't make any difference. I don't really care why they commit crimes only that they do commit crimes. This is most definitely not nonsense. It's possible that some police forces need some revamping as Junker suggests although he seems to be painting them all with the same brush which doesn't make much sense. All the police in the world or even in NA are not a homogeneous group.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Are the American police out of control?

« on: June 07, 2020, 12:17:44 AM »

And the number of bad apples continues to grow;
Where are the good ones?

I'll tell you where they're not: In the news at NYT, MSNBC, LAT OR ABC! So of course you only see the few bad ones. Get some better sources.

You fall short of suggesting any. My primary source is the compilation made by a civil defence lawyer. What difference does it make if the incident is covered by one of these networks too?


Meanwhile, scroll down to the 10th video in this compilation - it's pre-protest, not suitable for anyone of a nervous disposition, but where's the good apple here?

https://imgur.com/gallery/o4foNF6

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna988896

The good apples are everywhere. Go visit your local police station and stop being a moron! Also, get some better sources.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Are the American police out of control?

« on: June 07, 2020, 12:05:42 AM »

And the number of bad apples continues to grow;
Where are the good ones?

I'll tell you where they're not: In the news at NYT, MSNBC, LAT OR ABC! So of course you only see the few bad ones. Get some better sources.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Are the American police out of control?

« on: June 07, 2020, 12:01:57 AM »

In reality they are mostly good with a few bad ones and sometimes they make mistakes.

2 out of 57 were bad here, and the good ones are actively supporting the bad, both by walking off their team in protest, and turning up to applaud them as they leave the courthouse where they were charged.

Where's the good in that?

Those police do a lot of good work that keep people like you safe. You're lucky policy is being made by people smarter than yourself. At least for now.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Are the American police out of control?

« on: June 06, 2020, 10:53:23 PM »

Yeah and that's BS fed to people like you by the likes of MSNBC and NY Times. Those cops should not have done that. They were suspended without pay and there may be further consequences.

They've been charged now, I'm glad to say. Even if, as you suggest, not all cops are doing this, why are so many standing around and letting it happen? Why aren't the good ones stopping the bad ones?

EDIT - the two officers emerged from the courthouse, having been charged, and were applauded by their colleagues as they left the building. They are supporting two officers who committed felony assault on a non-violent 75-year old man. Think about that. 


OK, here's more of the same from the LA TImes. Why are you so keen to shoot the messenger, rather than looking at the message?

https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-06-06/twitter-videos-lawyer-police-use-of-force-protesters

So many further examples have piled up in the lawyer's mailbox that he confesses to being unable to keep up.

Because it has become perfectly obvious that the "messenger" is a very biased organization who are perfectly willing to deliberately misinform the public in order to achieve their own goals. If this organization wanted to, they could go out and report only on all the thousands of incidents where police are doing outstanding work. Then people like you would probably think the police were awesome people who never did wrong. In reality they are mostly good with a few bad ones and sometimes they make mistakes. For which they should be held accountable. And they are as you pointed out.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Are the American police out of control?

« on: June 06, 2020, 10:22:35 PM »

Are there bad police with bad values who abuse their power? Absolutely, and when they do they should be dealt with. (Which takes other, good police to enforce btw.)

See the Deeply Broken video I just posted. "The whole "bad apples" cliche, is that the bad apples spoil the whole bunch", and when the bunch is spoiled, you have no good apples left.

Yeah and that's BS fed to people like you by the likes of MSNBC and NY Times. Those cops should not have done that. They were suspended without pay and there may be further consequences. Even if the consequences are not as severe as we think they should be, in no way does that incident imply that the "whole bunch" is spoiled. There are thousands of interactions with the public taking place rn, and most of them don't involve pushing an old man to the ground. But these are the types of stories MSNBC and NY Times want to focus on because it creates the idea in ____ minds like yours that this is what the police in general are doing. And this gains them clicks and also helps further their agenda.

BTW there was an incident beyond what the cameras were showing that the police were focusing on. It doesn't justify what they did, but it's probably not as blatant as it looks in that video.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Are the American police out of control?

« on: June 06, 2020, 09:52:41 PM »

New York Times - the police are "out of control". So it's not just me.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/04/opinion/new-york-protests.html

It's you and NY Times and MSNBC and their dwindling subscriber base.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Are the American police out of control?

« on: June 06, 2020, 09:49:40 PM »

Police are what stand between us and a lawless society. Anyone who thinks we should get rid of them deserves the catastrophic results that would follow. Luckily for them, there are smarter people in control of policy. For now.

Are there bad police with bad values who abuse their power? Absolutely, and when they do they should be dealt with. (Which takes other, good police to enforce btw.)

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: A note on "Conspiracy" theories

« on: May 25, 2020, 03:56:31 AM »

If you find yourself eagerly looking for the next conspiracy theory and you think Alex Jones is the most trusted name in news, you're probably an idiot.

If you dismiss every conspiracy theory out of hand and deny that there are any, you're probably not that bright either.

Conspiracies do exist but they're not as common as Infowars would have you believe.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Political compass

« on: May 23, 2020, 04:09:07 AM »

Movin in the wrong direction there Pizza Planet!

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: May 20, 2020, 06:48:55 AM »

Idiots who can be lured so easily down any old rabbit hole. It's embarrassing. Really you guys!

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: February 06, 2020, 04:54:31 AM »

Makes one wonder how anyone who demanded witnesses in order for the trial to be fair can, in turn, cast a verdict of guilty...

Actually if you listened to his speech one of the reasons he wanted witnesses was in the faint hope of finding something vindicating.  Most republican senators concede that the evidence as damning.

Incorrect

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: February 05, 2020, 01:28:08 AM »

He doesn't collect a penny.

This is false.  He collects $1

This thread rn. lol

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Flat Earth Community / Re: NEW MEMBER wants to know more! Answer me please.

« on: February 03, 2020, 07:12:12 AM »

https://wiki.tfes.org/The_Flat_Earth_Wiki