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Arts & Entertainment / Re: Superhero Movies & Comics General
« on: September 13, 2017, 05:29:09 AM »
<Saddam> SnapapaTheRappa: The Gotham shown in the Turkish Airlines ad looked cool, admit it
<SnapapaTheRappa> Saddam: I mean, it looked like a city with some Gotham stuff CGI'd in
<Saddam> Yes
<SnapapaTheRappa> I wouldn't call it "cool and stylized"
<Saddam> It was a foundation for it
<SnapapaTheRappa> At most I'd say "cool, they put in minimal effort to make it Gotham"
<SnapapaTheRappa> Right, which is a far cry from "cool and stylized"
<Parsifal> More like Gotbacon amirite
<Saddam> CGI can design settings more effectively and efficiently than sets
<Anastas> Hmm
<SnapapaTheRappa> Okay?
<Saddam> If Anton Furst could do it with all his models and elaborate set designs in 1989, they can do it with CGI now
<Anastas> It's a spicy take
<Saddam> baaawwwwwww
<SnapapaTheRappa> I think you're missing that my key disgreement here is that that ad was a "cool and stylized" Gotham
<Saddam> It hinted at one, I should say
<Saddam> In and of itself it wasn't that
<SnapapaTheRappa> Also that Metropolis ad had sunlight and colour and it scares me seeing it with DCEU characters
<SnapapaTheRappa> I would agree it hinted at something better
<Saddam> My favorite Gotham is the one in Bamham Knight
<Parsifal> Gotpork
<Saddam> It mashes every adaptation together
<SnapapaTheRappa> Gotmilk
<SnapapaTheRappa> Saddam, I actually agree, Arkham Knight had a fucking great Gotham
<Saddam> One of these days I'll write another rambling post about other adaptations' portrayals of Gotham and include a bunch of pictures
<SnapapaTheRappa> Just too much blue or too much red depending on how much you secured
<SnapapaTheRappa> I didn't like that
<SnapapaTheRappa> Also please do, I like comic talk

I won't say too much about the Gotham of TAS, simply because that show has been written about a million times before. Indeed, the Internet is still in the middle of a surge of new articles about it because of its recent 25th anniversary. I'll just say that it's cool. Art deco, red skies, black backgrounds, airships, and so on:





The Bamham series, and especially Knight, has the best Gotham of all. The architecture splits the difference between Burton's sinister Gothic design and Schumacher's bright-lights-big-city aesthetic, ensuring that neither of them are as exaggerated as they were in the movies, while the airships are no doubt a nod to TAS:







Finally, there's Gotham itself. You can't really get a sense of what the titular city is like from a few pictures, and it's hard to describe it in words too. This article is the best explanation I could find:

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2014/oct/06/designing-gotham-production-designer-doug-kraner

Bear in mind that was when the show was starting out. It's gotten steadily more flamboyant over the years. I've had my issues with plenty of the things they've done, like supermarkets that cater to criminals (PA system and all!), assassins that chase their targets on motorcycles while waving machetes wildly, and...this scene:



(I actually love that scene. The guitar riff is the best part.)

However, there's no denying that these occurrences lend the city an unmistakable personality and character. Whatever insane thing the show introduces next, I'll believe it, because it's the kind of thing that happens in this Gotham.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: September 06, 2017, 09:26:10 PM »
Being kicked out of a baseball game is totally comparable to being deported.

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Arts & Entertainment / Re: Superhero Movies & Comics General
« on: September 06, 2017, 05:20:48 AM »
A city with cranes. Very cool and stylized.

Don't be so cynical. It's things like the Ace Chemicals sign, the golden opera house, the gargoyle, the great shot of the skyline from what's presumably Bruce Wayne's penthouse. Obviously they're just little details, but if they had actually been representative of the movie's setting, we might have had a Gotham as unique and memorable as Burtman's. Which would have had its legacy ruined by the shitty movie it was in, admittedly. Maybe they'll revisit the idea for the solo Batman movie.

It's more realistic, Sadaam.

We already had three Batman movies that were as realistic as Batman movies could feasibly be. BAAAWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!!!!!111

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Arts & Entertainment / Re: Superhero Movies & Comics General
« on: September 06, 2017, 12:18:00 AM »
While I'm on the subject of rambling about Batman, I'll at least credit the Burtman movies with having some fantastic set designs:





Every Batman adaptation should try to make Gotham look and feel unique. As much as people mock Schumacher's movies, his vision of Gotham as a neon-lit nightlife hub punctuated by enormous statues also had some merit to it:







In many ways, this aesthetic was a modern update of how the city was portrayed in Silver Age comics, particularly ones drawn by Dick Sprang. Giant advertising props were something of a recurring theme back then:





There's a lot more I could say about this subject by bringing up TAS, Gotham, and Bamham, but I think I've made my point by now, and I don't want to have thirty pictures in one post. Anyway, it was disappointing to see the Nolan movies portray Gotham as only a little more interesting than real-world Chicago, and I was genuinely surprised when BvS's take on Gotham was even more generic, given Snyder's love of recreating comic panels and showing off big, flashy shots. And what really kills me about this is that there was a cool, stylized Gotham...in this weird Turkish Airlines ad:



That looks awesome! Why couldn't Gotham have been like that in BvS? Hell, even Metropolis looked great in its own ad:



Why did they have to go with dull warehouses and alleys instead? We have CGI now! They can make the setting look like anything they want!

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Arts & Entertainment / Re: Game of Thrones
« on: September 02, 2017, 03:35:25 AM »
I was right about the undead dragon and Jon/Dany.

Those two details were leaked over a year ago.

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Arts & Entertainment / Re: Superhero Movies & Comics General
« on: September 02, 2017, 03:27:09 AM »
Wow... I did not write that well.
Harley Quinn's creation was in Batman: The Animated Series.  Where they also showed her Origin story, which takes place a while after the joker's origin.

My point was you'd have a movie that showed one villain's origin then move onto another villain's origin in the same movie. Which doesn't sound like a good idea.

Why would a movie about the Joker's origin include Harley's origin? We already saw pretty much all there was to her origin in SS, anyway.

In other news, the madness continues.

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Arts & Entertainment / Re: Superhero Movies & Comics General
« on: August 30, 2017, 05:23:25 PM »
http://batman-news.com/2017/08/29/joker-origin-movie-bullied/

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It’s dark. It’s like a dark Joker. As a kid, he had a permanent smile and everyone made fun of him. It’s like on the streets of Brooklyn. It’s super dark and real.

I would seriously rather see Snyder/Goyer be given yet another shot at a DCEU movie than this.

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Arts & Entertainment / Re: Game of Thrones
« on: August 29, 2017, 08:37:18 PM »
There are too many characters and too many plot threads to resolve them all properly in the limited time left, even with the major simplifications from the books. Shortening the seasons hasn't paid off if its main benefit was to give each episode more of a budget. The show doesn't need more money, it needs more time to tell the story.

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Arts & Entertainment / Re: Game of Thrones
« on: August 28, 2017, 03:40:20 PM »
I was so convinced that the show was committed to Arya and Sansa's stupid enmity that the "twist" took me by surprise. I don't think the resolution quite justifies every dopey scene the two of them had together (Was it all a long con? Did they only realize what was going on at the last second?), but the end result was satisfying enough.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: August 26, 2017, 03:35:46 AM »
Arpaio is essentially to law enforcement what Trump is to business. They're both talented showmen who prioritized seeking publicity over their actual jobs, and then relied on ignorant people equating their fame with success and merit in their chosen fields to bolster their popularity. The people who think that Arpaio was a great sheriff are the same people who think that Trump was a great businessman. So it's no surprise that Trump has pardoned his kindred spirit.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: August 25, 2017, 04:38:10 AM »
She crossed over to the other side of the stage. ::) The whole thing was stupid anyway. It was just a meme based more than anything on the fact that certain camera angles made Trump's positioning look comedically sinister at times. Neither he nor Hillary could have known how it would look on camera until the debate was over. I'm sure he got too close to her at times, but the media wouldn't have made it into such a big issue without the silly pictures people were posting the next morning.

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Arts & Entertainment / Re: Superhero Movies & Comics General
« on: August 24, 2017, 09:39:02 PM »
I mean, they do a Joker origin story like every batman reboot.

You mean in the adaptations? The first Burtman gave him an origin story, and I suppose the Telltale series is currently in the middle of one, but that's all I can think of. Adaptations like The Dark Knight, the DCAU, Bamham, and Batman '66 all wisely kept his origin ambiguous. Even Gotham is currently staying vague about what connection, if any, Jerome has with the future Joker, and this from the show that delivers (what it imagines to be) fanservice with all the subtlety of an elephant crashing into a grand piano. (Incidentally, the best episode involving Jerome, and one of Gotham's strongest overall, was when he squared off against young Bruce Wayne in a quasi-adaptation of The Killing Joke. It's almost as if the Joker is at his best when he's fighting Batman!)

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And Harley Quinn was in it well after the Joker was established as a psycho.  That's basically two origin stories in one movie and let's just... no.

I'm not sure what this means. Harley was in what?

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Arts & Entertainment / Re: Superhero Movies & Comics General
« on: August 24, 2017, 02:34:21 AM »
The concept defies the potential of awesomeness. The Joker doesn't need an origin story, and to give him one, or even spend too much time focusing on his past, just weakens the character and the mystery that surrounds him.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/joker-harley-quinn-movie-scores-crazy-stupid-love-filmmakers-write-direct-1032210

please no

what is even happening now

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: August 22, 2017, 05:47:42 AM »
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/08/21/secret-service-cant-pay-agents-because-trumps-frequent-travel-large-family/529075001/

The article only hints at it, but don't forget that plenty of this money is being paid to Trump and his businesses for catering and accommodation at his properties. Remember when we were told that Trump's wealth meant he would be incorruptible?

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Arts & Entertainment / Re: Game of Thrones
« on: August 21, 2017, 03:48:50 PM »
I liked it just for the spectacle, but there's no doubt that it's a narrative mess. Like, Gendry runs back to the Wall, sends a raven to Dany, and Dany shows up with her dragons, all in the space of...a night? Maybe a day and a night? And it really bugged me that the episode kept changing its mind about how many redshirts were part of the expedition. We'd clearly see in an establishing shot that there were only two or three, who then get killed, but later on a few more appear out of thin air so that they can get killed too.

But the real issue is, again, Arya and Sansa. Arya is angry about nothing. Absolutely nothing. It's plot-mandated angst. I get that Littlefinger is apparently trying to pit them against each other, but Arya's baffling stupidity is doing virtually all of the work here. Have they forgotten that they literally have access to a near-omniscient godchild who could easily clear this whole issue up for them?

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Arts & Entertainment / Re: Game of Thrones
« on: August 21, 2017, 03:20:42 AM »
<Saddam> It's worse in the books
<Saddam> [Robb] marries a lady because he knocked her up

My mistake, he just banged her and felt that he ought to marry her afterward. She wasn't even pregnant. The books also take great pains to frame his marriage as being an incredibly stupid decision, as opposed to the show making him more sympathetic by giving him a genuine romance with an actual character. Also, Rushy is obviously trolling, stop feeding him.

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