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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: October 14, 2017, 08:42:39 PM »
why is anyone pretending trump gives a shit about the flag code

I'm sure he had no clue what was going on or what was expected from him, but regardless, he didn't explicitly violate protocol here.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: October 14, 2017, 02:44:13 PM »
Tom appears to be correct:

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Another mass shooting...
« on: October 12, 2017, 05:31:37 AM »
The shooter was an old white guy.
I'm relieved.  Now a minority group can't be blamed.

If you do a search for "suicide bomber" you get a new incident almost every week. Also, you're a pretty shitty person for using this as political ammo.

Out of curiosity, why? When someone is hit and killed on a dangerous stretch of road, the family is usually one of the first people using the tragedy to try to improve the safety of that stretch of road. Following the 1968 Ronan Point gas explosion, building regulations were changed so that high-rise residential buildings could not have gas feeds. Following the recent Grenfell Tower fire in London, there has been a push to investigate all similar tower blocks for similar faults.

Why is using this, or any shooting, as an argument for a change in the law considered to be in 'bad taste'? Politicians aren't professional mourners, their job is to review the legislation to make people's lives better, if a mass-shooting gives the topic the attention and political drive to implement a change in the law to prevent future shootings, then they should take advantage of it. What that change looks like, or whether any change is needed is, of course, up for debate, but trying to shut down that debate out of some sort of bizarre fixation with 'taste' seems like a pretty shitty excuse to not do your job.

Changes to the fundamental rights of a population based on emotional reactions to tragedies typically aren't the best kind of changes.

That's not what he's asking, though. He's specifically questioning the oft-repeated idea that it's disrespectful or distasteful to suggest legislative action in the aftermath of a tragedy like this.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: October 11, 2017, 08:23:26 PM »
A cultural paradigm shift under which saying and doing offensive things is a big boo-boo.

that's literally always been a thing.

No, liberals invented being offended. In other news:

Arts & Entertainment / Re: Just Watched
« on: October 11, 2017, 03:34:56 AM »
capeshit capeshit I watch nothing but capeshit

Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 (James Gunn, 2017)

This will probably end up sounding a lot more critical than I mean it to be, so to be clear, this is not a bad movie. It's a fun ride with likable characters and sparkling visuals. But it's definitely a step down from the first one, and I think the main problem is that the sense of irreverence that Gunn brought to the that movie doesn't quite work here. What felt sly and subversive there just feels crude and immature here, like a teenager loudly yelling swear words in public. The heavier subject matter here needed a more sincere approach. This is illustrated best by what I consider to be the single worst joke in the MCU - the random "lol it's David Hasselhoff" gag directly after Ego admits that he murdered Peter's mother. It ruins the weight of the moment, and isn't even funny. A lot of the jokes here stuck out due to their lameness, in fact. There's a lot of lowbrow toilet humor, yelling about "turds," and the "It's not ripe," running gag made me groan with how bad it was. Also, Baby Groot wasn't funny, and came across as a walking toy commercial whenever he was onscreen. Again, the movie is good, but it could have been a lot stronger.

Wonder Woman (Patty Jenkins, 2017)

Yes, it's a good DCEU movie. An astonishing concept. It's a cool setting, Gal Gadot can in fact act, the romance at the center of the film is charming, and it all looks great. I'm in agreement with pretty much everyone else that its biggest flaw is the last-minute arrival of Ares for the tacked-on mandatory DBZ-style boss battle, although this one is at least considerably more restrained and shorter than prior DCEU climaxes.

Baby Driver (Edgar Wright, 2017)

This was disappointing. The action scenes are fantastic, as Wright's always are, the eclectic soundtrack is lively and fun, and the supporting cast are great. But the two leads, along with their relationship, are woefully, fatally dull and bland. I didn't care about either of them. And what's especially sad about that is that at the start of the movie, the protagonist seemed promising. I liked the goofy weirdo who danced through the streets while getting coffee, made mixtapes of random snatches of conversation, and didn't care what insults were hurled his way. Wright should have leaned into his eccentricity more, maybe had that be how he charms his love interest - but instead, that mostly fades away before too long and we're left with a boring guy who doesn't have much to say for himself and constantly wears sunglasses so we can't even see his whole face. Not that Ansel Elgort would have brought a lot of subtle acting to the role had he been free to emote. My impression of him after this movie is that he's a mediocre and distinctly uncharismatic actor.

Another problem is that the last act of the film is far too eventful. The climax goes on for too long. We're led to believe that everything is coming to a head during the final heist - but wait, now there's a tense scene at the diner, this must be it - oh, wait, now we're at the parking garage, time for one more dramatic final battle. It's exhausting from the viewer's perspective. Wright obviously understands the concepts of pacing and narrative momentum, so I don't know what happened. And just to criticize the story itself for a moment, it doesn't ring true to me that Doc helps Baby out at the end because he has a soft spot for people in love, when he literally used Baby's new relationship to coerce him into resuming working for him earlier in the movie. Wright's movies are justifiably acclaimed for their attention to detail, and an oversight like this really sticks out.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: October 09, 2017, 01:51:42 PM »

I'm not even going to mock Pence for being a weak snowflake or anything, because it would distract from the fact that he and Trump wasted all this time and taxpayer money on a stupid publicity stunt designed to sow divisions and pander to their base. Also, Trump knows who the real victim of the hurricane is - himself:

Arts & Entertainment / Re: Superhero Movies & Comics General
« on: October 09, 2017, 05:14:09 AM »
Oh, and it looks like there's been some extensive recoloring of the movie, including a few scenes we saw in previous trailers. Everything is now a (very ugly) hellish red, and there are tendrils or some shit growing out of the this leading to some bullshit repeat of the villain's plan from MoS, transforming Earth into an alien planet? And yeah, the comedy isn't working here. It feels like it's very standard "ha ha I'm self-aware" Whedon humor that he'd use in a standard Whedon production, and it clashes terribly with, well, pretty much everything else going on in the trailer.

Arts & Entertainment / Re: Superhero Movies & Comics General
« on: October 08, 2017, 03:36:10 PM »

I like this trailer a little more than the previous ones, but it's still a mess. What's happening? Where is it is happening? Why does this look more like a video game than a movie? I guess I kind of like the goofy dudebro thing Aquaman has going on, but that's about it. I wish I had more to say about this, I really do. Snyder gonna Snyder.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: October 05, 2017, 05:17:44 AM »
puerto ricans are latino.  racists don't like latinos.  there is nothing even remotely controversial about those two sentences.

You just don't like that he's turning a rational eye to your dogma. Hey, what's the email for the president of race relations?

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: October 04, 2017, 04:41:11 PM »
Finally, and I'd say that's the most pertinent part of my point here, I strongly doubt any of you have ever met a racist person, yet you try to act like experts on the matter. It's not a good look for you.

What a strange thing to say so confidently. Of course I've met and known racist people before. We most likely all have, including you. You're acting like racism is some rare and mythical phenomenon that very few people have ever experienced.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: October 04, 2017, 01:11:24 AM »
The most valid point you (Pete) could possibly be making here is a Rushy-esque quibble about at what point ethnic bigotry can correctly be called "racism," which is a debate this forum has had multiple times in the past and adds very little to this specific discussion. There is such a thing as anti-Hispanic sentiment and discrimination against them, you know perfectly well that's what's being alluded to in this context, and your nitpicking doesn't change anything about the sentiment of what garygreen was expressing. And I'm pretty sure that you know what a useless point that was, and it's why you're now trying to change the subject with a tirade of ad hominems and irrelevant references to what garygreen has said before on different subjects. None of that matters! garygreen could have said that two plus two is five and Hitler did nothing wrong, and it wouldn't change the hollowness of your supposed rebuttal. Also:

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: October 01, 2017, 09:41:59 PM »
Latinos are sometimes classified as white in official statistics, but it doesn't really matter. For the purposes of this discussion, no, Puerto Rico is not overwhelmingly white.

Arts & Entertainment / Re: Just Watched
« on: September 26, 2017, 03:45:31 PM »
And now, first impressions of various HOT ORIGINAL CONTENT things sampled on Netflix...

Designated Survivor
Self-serious show in which Kiefer Sutherland becomes @POTUS after a devastating terrorist attack. I was not interested enough by the first episode to continue. It all seems very bland. Kiefer's performance almost made me want to watch more, but I just don't care.

I played Major Scott Cameron, who briefed the president on the Nuclear Football and the made a jibe towards him. You watched the best episode, obv.

No, sir. It's not like the movies. It doesn't work that way.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: No Religion= Peace
« on: September 20, 2017, 05:58:40 PM »
The Bible is true because the Bible says the Bible is true.

Arts & Entertainment / Re: Superhero Movies & Comics General
« on: September 13, 2017, 05:29:09 AM »
<Saddam> SnapapaTheRappa: The Gotham shown in the Turkish Airlines ad looked cool, admit it
<SnapapaTheRappa> Saddam: I mean, it looked like a city with some Gotham stuff CGI'd in
<Saddam> Yes
<SnapapaTheRappa> I wouldn't call it "cool and stylized"
<Saddam> It was a foundation for it
<SnapapaTheRappa> At most I'd say "cool, they put in minimal effort to make it Gotham"
<SnapapaTheRappa> Right, which is a far cry from "cool and stylized"
<Parsifal> More like Gotbacon amirite
<Saddam> CGI can design settings more effectively and efficiently than sets
<Anastas> Hmm
<SnapapaTheRappa> Okay?
<Saddam> If Anton Furst could do it with all his models and elaborate set designs in 1989, they can do it with CGI now
<Anastas> It's a spicy take
<Saddam> baaawwwwwww
<SnapapaTheRappa> I think you're missing that my key disgreement here is that that ad was a "cool and stylized" Gotham
<Saddam> It hinted at one, I should say
<Saddam> In and of itself it wasn't that
<SnapapaTheRappa> Also that Metropolis ad had sunlight and colour and it scares me seeing it with DCEU characters
<SnapapaTheRappa> I would agree it hinted at something better
<Saddam> My favorite Gotham is the one in Bamham Knight
<Parsifal> Gotpork
<Saddam> It mashes every adaptation together
<SnapapaTheRappa> Gotmilk
<SnapapaTheRappa> Saddam, I actually agree, Arkham Knight had a fucking great Gotham
<Saddam> One of these days I'll write another rambling post about other adaptations' portrayals of Gotham and include a bunch of pictures
<SnapapaTheRappa> Just too much blue or too much red depending on how much you secured
<SnapapaTheRappa> I didn't like that
<SnapapaTheRappa> Also please do, I like comic talk

I won't say too much about the Gotham of TAS, simply because that show has been written about a million times before. Indeed, the Internet is still in the middle of a surge of new articles about it because of its recent 25th anniversary. I'll just say that it's cool. Art deco, red skies, black backgrounds, airships, and so on:

The Bamham series, and especially Knight, has the best Gotham of all. The architecture splits the difference between Burton's sinister Gothic design and Schumacher's bright-lights-big-city aesthetic, ensuring that neither of them are as exaggerated as they were in the movies, while the airships are no doubt a nod to TAS:

Finally, there's Gotham itself. You can't really get a sense of what the titular city is like from a few pictures, and it's hard to describe it in words too. This article is the best explanation I could find:

Bear in mind that was when the show was starting out. It's gotten steadily more flamboyant over the years. I've had my issues with plenty of the things they've done, like supermarkets that cater to criminals (PA system and all!), assassins that chase their targets on motorcycles while waving machetes wildly, and...this scene:

(I actually love that scene. The guitar riff is the best part.)

However, there's no denying that these occurrences lend the city an unmistakable personality and character. Whatever insane thing the show introduces next, I'll believe it, because it's the kind of thing that happens in this Gotham.

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