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Arts & Entertainment / Re: Just Watched
« on: Today at 03:37:32 AM »
Candyman is one of the few movies that really scared me.

I also thought It was really good. After the disappointment of The Dark Tower it's nice to see a Stephen King movie come out that's really good and getting acclaim.

I was never sure if anyone could fill Tim Curry's shoes as Pennywise. Skarsgard was just as good if not better. I was blown away. He played it perfectly.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: September 14, 2017, 04:55:43 AM »
Maybe government-paid higher education is a good idea after all.

I think you really do have to feel for them.  But if they're willing to step out of their comfort zones there are still good jobs out there that don't necessarily require a college education. Sales, for example. Of course that requires a certain kind of skill, but if you're dumb, lazy, and have no people skills your prospects are probably pretty bleak anyway.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: September 13, 2017, 05:59:27 PM »
That really just shows you what the US is like right now.  National reading level is only 6th grade and people don't want to feel dumb.  Talk plainly and people tend to listen.  Tell them what they want to hear and they'll love you for it.  It's not like a normal job where if you don't do what you say you can do in the first 90 days, you'll get fired.  All the hard part is in the running.

CT

I doubt it's that different in other countries. Politicians want to reach the masses, not just the elite. Average intelligence just isn't that smart. It's the same principle behind the idea of a newspaper being written at a 6th grade level; it's not that people in general are stupid, it's that some people are stupid, and they have as much of a right to news they can understand as anyone else.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: September 13, 2017, 12:50:49 PM »
2. Trump literally told people what they wanted to hear in words they could understand.

I'm sorry, but I was just looking back over the thread and I really don't think I can let this one go.

You do realize you literally described every successful politician ever here, right Dave?

Yes but in fairness, he did it with anger, yelling, and a 5th grade vocabulary.

No argument there.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: September 13, 2017, 04:06:54 AM »

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Your experience has not encompassed enough of the earth to provide enough information.  If the earth is flat, a drive from Washington to Baja gets you, what, 30% closer to the ice wall?  At the same time, it gets you 50% closer to the sun (if not more than 50%).
:)  That made me laugh.  Thanks.  Since the Earth is flat and only about 25,000 miles across, and the Sun is 93 million miles away the difference from any place on Earth to the sun is negligible, the angle being so tiny.  So 50% is WAY off.  As a percentage it would be closer to .00000000001%.  I hope your facility with math is not representative of all Rounders.

BUT, you did chance on something that gives me a potential solution to the problem I posed.  Indeed, I did not travel far enough 'South.'  You see, there also is, at the very center of the Earth, an enormous mass of ice and frigid dirt called the Arctic. So, as I traveled away from that ice mass I got warmer.  At the halfway point, what YOU call the 'equator,' I expect I would start to get colder as I approached the Ice Wall.

It's because the sun is always above the Equator or not far from it. And it's 3000 miles above the Earth, not 93 million. Temperature is based on distance from the sun, not distance from the edge; the reason there's ice around the Earth and in its center is that these are the parts of the Earth farthest from the sun. I'm sure you thought you were being clever, but your question seems to be based on the mistaken assumption that it's distance from the edge that determines temperature, which is not something you read here (I have no idea where you got that from), so I hope this clarifies things for you.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: September 13, 2017, 02:06:40 AM »
2. Trump literally told people what they wanted to hear in words they could understand.

I'm sorry, but I was just looking back over the thread and I really don't think I can let this one go.

You do realize you literally described every successful politician ever here, right Dave?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: September 13, 2017, 01:55:17 AM »
And then there's this.

http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a12222847/alex-jones-trump-drug-diet-coke/

Please read the transcript, it is totally worth the effort.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: September 13, 2017, 01:43:34 AM »
Maybe she's trying to pull a Trump?  Bitch about the media like it's the devil?

But I can't say I blame her for not being over it.  I mean, if YOU lost to a guy who has literally no plan, no government experience, no 'having to deal with shareholders' experience, and basically just spews angry hateful words every sentence... would you really be able to let it go?

I'm still shocked he won and it's September.

Yes, I'm sure it was shocking to her that she was up against what appeared to be the worst presidential candidate in history, only to end up being even worse, but in a nutshell that's exactly what happened and she really should accept it and try to move on.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: September 12, 2017, 09:26:33 PM »
The bad thing to me is that it demonstrates a scary sense of entitlement. The media may lean Left, but its chief interest is money, and it makes money by being sensational and Hildog's email situation was certainly sensational. Her comments suggest that she thinks the media should have been on her side, when obviously the media should be objective and not favor anybody... and let's be honest, it really did favor her anyway. Obviously she feels it should have favored her even more.

I felt like that came out after the election too, when she made a comment that she guesses women can't be president after all (I can't remember the exact quote) as if she thought she was entitled to it because of her gender.

The other thing I get out of it is that at the same time she criticizes the Media for covering Trump too much, she complains about the negativity of the coverage it gave her... as if it was glowingly positive with all of its coverage about Trump. ::)

She's every bit as stuck-up and egotistical as Trump, she refuses to accept that she lost because she ran a shitty, lazy campaign, and I wish she would just shut up.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: September 12, 2017, 03:56:50 PM »
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2017/09/12/assessing-a-clinton-argument-that-the-media-helped-to-elect-trump/

Basically, "It's not my fault but I've taken the blame for losing but it was the media's fault."

The more she speaks out the clearer it is that she would have been a shitty president too. Please don't run again in 2020 Ms. Clinton.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: September 08, 2017, 08:17:43 PM »
Also I feel it necessary to point out that your rhetoric is ignoring the point you were arguing against, which is that keeping the Dreamers will result in more money going to the government in the form of taxes. So there's that. This is why I don't usually bother with you.

Your argument of "b-b-but illegals pay taxes" is in error.  The  Congressional Budget Office states "the tax revenues that unauthorized immigrants generate for state and local governments do not offset the total cost of services provided to those immigrants."

See: https://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/110th-congress-2007-2008/reports/12-6-immigration.pdf

Well it's about time you actually try. I mean this report is misleading and irrelevant to the current discussion, but I applaud the effort of trying to find something in the real world that supports your worldview. That it doesn't actually might not even be your fault. I doubt it would surprise anybody if you didn't even read the prologue of the thing, where it flatly states that it is an unreliable indicator of the actual financial impact on state and local budgets, much less 4 pages in, where it explains why; an explanation that happens to go to the heart of the discussion we're having. The report ignores the long term, which means it says nothing about the swell of Dreamers entering the workforce at a time when American employers will need their numbers. And of course it only addresses state and local taxes and spending at those levels. The report even says that there aren't a lot of programs at the federal level that directly benefit illegals like there are at state and local levels. What does that suggest about the federal taxes they are generating?

And as Rama Set pointed out the net effect is modest. Apparently they have no way of knowing for sure how modest, but the writers of your report seem confident that the difference is negligable.

But, hey, you're trying. Good for you. The post about Hillary means nothing, that she is out of touch is nothing new and her opinion is entirely irrelevant to current political discourse.

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Arts & Entertainment / Re: Just Watched
« on: September 08, 2017, 01:33:57 AM »
Mcdreamy  :'(

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: September 07, 2017, 11:42:22 PM »
Also I feel it necessary to point out that your rhetoric is ignoring the point you were arguing against, which is that keeping the Dreamers will result in more money going to the government in the form of taxes. So there's that. This is why I don't usually bother with you.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: September 07, 2017, 11:29:28 PM »
You really don't see how ridiculous an analogy this is? ???

I mean, the premise doesn't even make sense.

That you have to resort to using such a ridiculous analogy is all anyone needs to see to recognize that you don't have a good point to make.

Anyway, if I raised the child and came to see him as my own, yeah, I would feel responsible for him, same as any other adopted child, so... yeah.

Why am I responsible for adopting the children of criminals who enter the united states illegally?

Society as a whole has voted that no, we are not responsible for that. We have already decided that we are not responsible through democracy. You are actively trying to undermine the law. If you want change then you need to cast your vote and walk away. The law is not going to change through your tears.

Because the US has never adopted immigrant-friendly laws before? Actually if you stretch your analogy further, you shouldn't be responsible for anybody else, whether illegal immigrants, their children, or natural-born Americans. But you are, aren't you? I mean, you're a Republican, so I'm sure you don't agree with it, but you're paying for poor people on welfare, you're paying for public schools for your community, you're paying for medical care for the elderly... despite living in a democracy!! Maybe one doesn't really have to do with the other?

If the law is going to change (and I agree it should be done properly, which is why I don't count this as among the worst things Trump has done), it will be done legally through Congress. And the Dreamers have enough support on both sides of the aisle that the law changing is a distinct possibility. So sorry about your luck, I guess. Our democratically elected leaders might just be more compassionate than you.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: September 07, 2017, 07:27:57 PM »
Ecch, just the usual empty rhetoric and parroting of GOP talking points from Tom. I guess I shouldn't expect anything better by now. :(

Someone broke into your house with their child and the robber was caught. Now you have the legal responsibility to take care of the child.

This burglar's son has dreams of college too. Have you saved up enough? Your kids can get college loans and pay them over the next 20 years. Just make sure the robber's son gets an education, because reasons.

You really don't see how ridiculous an analogy this is? ???

I mean, the premise doesn't even make sense.

That you have to resort to using such a ridiculous analogy is all anyone needs to see to recognize that you don't have a good point to make.

Anyway, if I raised the child and came to see him as my own, yeah, I would feel responsible for him, same as any other adopted child, so... yeah.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: September 07, 2017, 01:49:43 AM »
Ecch, just the usual empty rhetoric and parroting of GOP talking points from Tom. I guess I shouldn't expect anything better by now. :(

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: September 06, 2017, 08:16:05 PM »
This is an excellent point. The further out we project, the more money we lose.  Seems like an argument in favor of keeping DACA to me.

As mentioned, you are assuming that those jobs would not otherwise exist without them here. This is fallacious. In fact, this is a point against them. They are taking jobs which could otherwise go towards Americans.

It's cute that you assume these reports don't take such factors into account. The consensus seems to be that many more jobs are going to be opening over the next several years than Americans alone will be able to fill in the vocations the Dreamers are supposed to be pursuing. Unemployment rates are excellent now and employers are already having trouble finding qualified candidates for many positions. This article lays out the issue in detail:

http://money.cnn.com/2017/09/05/news/economy/daca-us-economy/index.htm

Also I kind of consider people who were raised and educated here Americans anyway. I see no reason they should be denied the same opportunities as "real" Americans. It's not their fault they're here and they shouldn't be forced to move to a land that's foreign to them.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: September 06, 2017, 06:03:13 PM »
I actually think this is far from the worst thing Trump has done and those elements of the media who are calling it evil and such are engaging in the worst kind of hyperbole. Really I just hope Congress can resolve this so the Dreamers can be allowed to stay.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: September 06, 2017, 04:58:58 PM »
hey maybe let's do the one that isn't just throwing money away.
Which one is that, in your view?

The one experts aren't saying is going to cost the US 150 to 400 billion dollars in the long run (rescinding DACA), I would imagine.

In "the long run" those illegal peoples and their offspring will generate infinity in taxes. Why not just estimate that it will cost the US infinity?

This is an excellent point. The further out we project, the more money we lose.  Seems like an argument in favor of keeping DACA to me.

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