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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: October 02, 2017, 02:34:52 PM »
I'm surprised we have so many experts on white supremacists' views here out of a sudden. It's kinda funny that the garygreen lounge now gets to dictate (in their own minds only) what other people think, even if said people disagree.

Then again, it's not actually all that surprising. After all, you're talking about the American left's idea of "white supremacist" (which can be broadly generalised to "people we don't like"), also synonymous with "Nazis" or "people who should be punched". Again, if we rely on these non-definitions, my proclamation that Trump is Hitler is entirely as relevant or on-point as gary's shitpost.

Might mean something if only you weren't completely wrong about white supremacists' view of Hispanics, and Gary wasn't absolutely right. Maybe this is a case where you just don't understand the issue ( I know that's shocking!).

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: October 02, 2017, 12:52:48 PM »
Right, yes, if we redefine "white" to mean "white+", we can make anyone not white. My bad for trying to speak reason into tfes's resident lefty lobby's mind.

Well, the specific topic related to white supremacists' view of Hispanics (not Pete Svarrior's view of Hispanics), which is that they are not white. I myself would tick off Caucasian if it were on something I'm filling out, but thanks to my Jewish blood they don't consider me white either. Indeed on such forms Hispanics have their own category because they aren't considered white (Caucasian). I hope I've adequately cleared up why your pedantry is completely wrong and inappropriate in this particular situation.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: September 26, 2017, 01:12:47 PM »
Please, by NK's standards they declared war on us years ago and have repeatedly done it since. This is just more empty rhetoric.

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I was in the ballpark.

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I think it's at least seven but probably no more than a billion.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: The sun
« on: September 23, 2017, 04:35:30 PM »
Now I know you're not here to learn, you're here to teach. But don't you think your agenda would be better served by teaching the truth about your theory rather than attempting to justify your own erroneous opinions about it?

Oh good grief...just read what Einstein wrote and don't put words into his mouth.

The force of gravity is an emergent property of the curvature of space-time - which is in turn caused by mass.  Same deal as the coriolis force which is an emergent property of the shape and curvature of the earth...or centrifugal force which is an emergent property of rotating systems...or the force exerted by a gas in a closed container which is an emergent property of pressure which is an emergent property of the motion of atoms.

It's perfectly valid to talk about forces - even when you know the underlying causes of them.

Please, try to learn something new. I know it's hard to admit when you're wrong but it's good to know the facts so you should always be open to the possibility that you're wrong.

What Einstein showed was that gravity is not a force, it only creates the appearance of a force. There are situations where gravity explicitly does not behave like a force, because it is not technically a force (the correct term is actually pseudoforce or fictitious force).

Here's another link. Please note the url, I would hate for you to think I'm linking to some random crackpots to support my argument. He explains exactly why gravity is not a force, why it looks like a force, and specifically when it behaves contrary to the way a force behaves. Please read it.

http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/140-physics/the-theory-of-relativity/general-relativity/1059-if-gravity-isn-t-a-force-how-does-it-accelerate-objects-advanced

Edit actually I did already post this one but it does a good job explaining things.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: September 23, 2017, 03:55:17 PM »
lol so apparently torch-wielding nazis are very fine people, but some guy who sits down during a song is a son of a bitch.

I mean, as long as they're white.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: The sun
« on: September 23, 2017, 01:59:51 PM »
it's been a few hundred years now that the entire scientific community has known gravity to be an observable force, easily proven with countless experiments (as demonstrated on this very forum like a billion times).
Gravity is not a force.

Argh...please stop making me agree with the FE'ers!

Yes, gravity is a force.

In RET:

  F = m1 x m2 x G / (dxd)

The FORCE of gravity is equal to the product of the two masses (m1=the mass of some object, m2=the mass of some other object...such as the Earth) multiplied by 'G' (big-G) the 'universal gravitational constant' (basically a factor introduced because we want 'd' in meters and m1/m2 in kg) divided by the square of the distance between the two object.  We don't often use this force in common math because it's annoyingly dependent on the mass of the object (m1).

So we do talk about 'g' - which is "the acceleration due to gravity"...or to spell it out more carefully "the acceleration that is caused by the force of gravity".

However, since:

   F = m a

   a = F / m       (or... g = F / m1 )

...and m is 'm1' and 'F' is the FORCE of gravity on that object...'a' is the acceleration of that object - which is "the acceleration due to gravity" or 'g' (if m2 is the earth).  Substituting for F:

  g = ( m1 x m2 x G / (dxd) ) / m1

...the m1's cancel out:

  g = m2 x G / (dxd)

...which is why all objects accelerate towards Earth at the same rate, no matter their mass (cue apocryphal story about Leonardo Da Vinci dropping cannon balls and stuff off of the Tower of Piza to prove it - or actual video of Astronaut dropping hammer and eagle feather on the moon...er...which "didn't happen" according to the FE'ers).

In FET (with universal acceleration) the mysterious upward acceleration of the earth causes a force to be applied to an object according to:

   F = m a

...where 'm' is the mass of the object 'a' is it's acceleration (which is 'g' in this case) and F is the resulting force.

So hell yes - gravity is a force...both in RET and FET.

No gravity is not a force. It is a consequence of the curvature of spacetime. It's not a force in either FET or RET. It's one of the things Einstein showed Newton's theories were wrong about.

Again I invite you to actually learn something instead of insisting you are right when you aren't; frankly I think you're making REers look bad with your closed-minded attitude. Here's some reading in case you are willing to learn. Past experience doesn't give me much hope, but maybe some of your colleagues would be interested in learning the facts about one of the biggest errors laymen regularly make about modern physics.

https://www.universetoday.com/108740/how-we-know-gravity-is-not-just-a-force/

http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/physics/140-physics/the-theory-of-relativity/general-relativity/1059-if-gravity-isn-t-a-force-how-does-it-accelerate-objects-advanced

https://futurism.com/gravity-isnt-a-force-so-how-does-it-move-objects/

Now I know you're not here to learn, you're here to teach. But don't you think your agenda would be better served by teaching the truth about your theory rather than attempting to justify your own erroneous opinions about it?

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Arts & Entertainment / Re: Now Playing
« on: September 22, 2017, 05:43:17 PM »
Something For Your M.I.N.D.
-Superorganism

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: The sun
« on: September 21, 2017, 06:17:52 AM »
it's been a few hundred years now that the entire scientific community has known gravity to be an observable force, easily proven with countless experiments (as demonstrated on this very forum like a billion times).
Gravity is not a force.

 
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Your universal acceleration idea is laughable - if it were true, the Earth would be moving many many times faster than light by now, which is obviously impossible.
To someone with even a basic grasp of relativity this notion is utter nonsense.

Forget about the basics of FET, if you don't even understand the basics of your own side's theories you will be completely lost here. Move along son and let the adults talk.

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Arts & Entertainment / Re: Just Watched
« on: September 19, 2017, 03:37:32 AM »
Candyman is one of the few movies that really scared me.

I also thought It was really good. After the disappointment of The Dark Tower it's nice to see a Stephen King movie come out that's really good and getting acclaim.

I was never sure if anyone could fill Tim Curry's shoes as Pennywise. Skarsgard was just as good if not better. I was blown away. He played it perfectly.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: September 14, 2017, 04:55:43 AM »
Maybe government-paid higher education is a good idea after all.

I think you really do have to feel for them.  But if they're willing to step out of their comfort zones there are still good jobs out there that don't necessarily require a college education. Sales, for example. Of course that requires a certain kind of skill, but if you're dumb, lazy, and have no people skills your prospects are probably pretty bleak anyway.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: September 13, 2017, 05:59:27 PM »
That really just shows you what the US is like right now.  National reading level is only 6th grade and people don't want to feel dumb.  Talk plainly and people tend to listen.  Tell them what they want to hear and they'll love you for it.  It's not like a normal job where if you don't do what you say you can do in the first 90 days, you'll get fired.  All the hard part is in the running.

CT

I doubt it's that different in other countries. Politicians want to reach the masses, not just the elite. Average intelligence just isn't that smart. It's the same principle behind the idea of a newspaper being written at a 6th grade level; it's not that people in general are stupid, it's that some people are stupid, and they have as much of a right to news they can understand as anyone else.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: September 13, 2017, 12:50:49 PM »
2. Trump literally told people what they wanted to hear in words they could understand.

I'm sorry, but I was just looking back over the thread and I really don't think I can let this one go.

You do realize you literally described every successful politician ever here, right Dave?

Yes but in fairness, he did it with anger, yelling, and a 5th grade vocabulary.

No argument there.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: September 13, 2017, 04:06:54 AM »

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Your experience has not encompassed enough of the earth to provide enough information.  If the earth is flat, a drive from Washington to Baja gets you, what, 30% closer to the ice wall?  At the same time, it gets you 50% closer to the sun (if not more than 50%).
:)  That made me laugh.  Thanks.  Since the Earth is flat and only about 25,000 miles across, and the Sun is 93 million miles away the difference from any place on Earth to the sun is negligible, the angle being so tiny.  So 50% is WAY off.  As a percentage it would be closer to .00000000001%.  I hope your facility with math is not representative of all Rounders.

BUT, you did chance on something that gives me a potential solution to the problem I posed.  Indeed, I did not travel far enough 'South.'  You see, there also is, at the very center of the Earth, an enormous mass of ice and frigid dirt called the Arctic. So, as I traveled away from that ice mass I got warmer.  At the halfway point, what YOU call the 'equator,' I expect I would start to get colder as I approached the Ice Wall.

It's because the sun is always above the Equator or not far from it. And it's 3000 miles above the Earth, not 93 million. Temperature is based on distance from the sun, not distance from the edge; the reason there's ice around the Earth and in its center is that these are the parts of the Earth farthest from the sun. I'm sure you thought you were being clever, but your question seems to be based on the mistaken assumption that it's distance from the edge that determines temperature, which is not something you read here (I have no idea where you got that from), so I hope this clarifies things for you.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: September 13, 2017, 02:06:40 AM »
2. Trump literally told people what they wanted to hear in words they could understand.

I'm sorry, but I was just looking back over the thread and I really don't think I can let this one go.

You do realize you literally described every successful politician ever here, right Dave?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: September 13, 2017, 01:55:17 AM »
And then there's this.

http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a12222847/alex-jones-trump-drug-diet-coke/

Please read the transcript, it is totally worth the effort.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: September 13, 2017, 01:43:34 AM »
Maybe she's trying to pull a Trump?  Bitch about the media like it's the devil?

But I can't say I blame her for not being over it.  I mean, if YOU lost to a guy who has literally no plan, no government experience, no 'having to deal with shareholders' experience, and basically just spews angry hateful words every sentence... would you really be able to let it go?

I'm still shocked he won and it's September.

Yes, I'm sure it was shocking to her that she was up against what appeared to be the worst presidential candidate in history, only to end up being even worse, but in a nutshell that's exactly what happened and she really should accept it and try to move on.

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